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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 21:30 RedEyeJedi wrote:
Seems to me everyone who justifies Gomtv's actions are just Naniwa haters.
Nope. I'm not friends with him and I had my troubles with him, but I respect him a lot as a player and I see he does practice really hard and puts a lot into the game, yet I do support eSports and I want it to be a profession like any other sports and can understand the punishment.
If you want to be respected, you have to set standards.
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On December 14 2011 21:31 kcbgoku wrote:
Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours
This rule doesn't even apply to this situation.
He did stupid probe rush. Why is that so offensive?
Zerg goes 6 pool. Is that offensive?
Terran goes bunker rush all-in he loses. Is that offensive?
Protoss goes cannon rush. Same thing.
Where is the line? It's impossible to draw one.
And he did this in Blizzard Cup, so as the rule says he should be warned in/disqualified from Blizzard Cup, NOT GSL.
Lawyered.
He took his hands OFF the keyboard, ZERO EFFORT. For someone who payed to watch that game, I was pretty offended.
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On December 14 2011 21:33 Hopelessnoob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed) unfortunately this is shit too. They later invited IDRA (8th at providence) and SEN (not at MLG) to code S instead of all those in front of him. They are freely giving out seeds and denying naniwa because he threw a USELESS match
Just because the match itself had no value does not mean people would not value watching the match.
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On December 14 2011 21:28 ChowChillaCharlie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 14 2011 21:20 -y0shi- wrote:On December 14 2011 21:16 WArped wrote:On December 14 2011 21:11 baoluvboa wrote:
"Naniwa played a game yesterday that is not professional. I have heard that he threw away the game because it doesn't benefit himself. I want to lecture him. Pro-gamer as an occupation is not a job where you just play games between other pro players. Corporations sponsor us because the existence of fans make e-sports a product that we are trying to create. But I believe the behaviour from Naniwa yesterday was such a behaviour that betrayed and looked down on the fans. I hope he thinks about what he did and do not play a game like that again."
From MC MC is pretty much spot on. He cares about his fans, his job and has RESPECT for other people. I hope NaNi will learn from his mistakes, he will earn his respect back if he trains hard, acts respectful towards GOM and works his way through Code A again. Mc is completly off... " I have heard that he threw away the game because it doesn't benefit himself" Thats just not true.. Did you read the interviews etc?? Nani didnt want to play because he felt like he couldnt give his all and show his best match and didnt want to do some half asses games just because he has to. Soo sad for nani >.< What a sad excuse. THINK ABOUT IT. You think he really cared about the viewers and showing a good game when he did a probe rush? So instead of showing us a bad game, he showed us shit wrapped up in a sack lit on fire aged in a dead whale. He chose not to waste our time with a mediocre game, what is it you don't understand?
More like he was scared he would lose to Nestea after all his shit talk, so he threw the game in the most blatant way possible so he could say "I didn't want to play, so my loss doesn't really count".
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Good decision by GOM. It's irrelevant whether that game had any weight on who progressed so the semis. That was a high profile tournament and if there is a game you need to play, you are obliged to play it; a progamer should, by definition, be able to give his best performance no matter how he "feels". Prize-hunter is a fitting image for Naniwa at this point; as soon as he wasn't eligible for higher prize money he gave up and threw the game, without considering the fact that there are up to a hundred thousand people that really wanted to see that game.
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Gom did the right thing, map propos to them.
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On December 14 2011 21:30 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:28 bittman wrote:On December 14 2011 21:14 ReboundEU wrote:
Good thing i didn't buy the GSL season ticket....i will never support competitions that take childish and racist decisions based on personal grudges and to please certain players (like nestea). No fairness..no honor...no respect...just insults.
If i want to watch the best of the best i will wait for MLG...not GSL. I evaded the bigest waste of money i could have possibly made. They won...they wanted a "korean wonderland" and they got it. Good luck with your viewer database. Tell me, please for my own sanity, that you would have the same response to the entire debacle if a Korean player did the same thing and got banned for it, which I'm sure GSL would do anyway. People like this are the true racists here. If you have a justified complaint (which some people do) please state it, don't label a company or organizers as some flamebait term such as "racist" because you lack the etiquette to express opinions without being a dick to someone. Anything along these lines is idiotic drama generation based on zero facts and reminds me of calling the weak kid in the playground "gay" because it makes you feel big. So tell me, anyone who believes this is racially motivated: are you a bully? Do you feel good calling people names? Or do you actually have facts and what you're stating is a truth I'm missing? Because all I see is flamebait and a pot calling the kettle black. Go look at choya, byun, and coca. All examples of worse offenses that resulted in really no significant action by Gom minus Choya's ban in the gstl.
What? Byun and Coca are basically banned for an indefinite amount of time. The teams were able to step in and levy the punishment though...and that's worse for them because they aren't allowed to participate in other tournaments as well.
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Idra left Korea to win money in all the tournaments and then Nani mvoes to korea to be a pro gamer and they kick Nani and reinvite Idra and they they call Nani the Moneygrabber??? WTF
HAHA the irony
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next time all ceremonies will be banned too. This is disrespectful to all of the teammates of the person being BM and his family. This is abusive and should be banned.
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On December 14 2011 21:21 nailujk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:13 nimdil wrote:
Can you show me the rules, please. Because if it is written in the rules than I admit I'm wrong. But I checked a rules of tournament page and there is nothing about it.
And yes. It is their culture and their country and their company and their tournament. But if they pretend to be "global" that mean that they should step up and stand above their culture to truly represent global SC2 community and pro players. A decision based "because we are in south korea and we are koreans" mean that they failed to do so.
Also calling it Korean Star League is not an insult. It just points out where - in my opinion - problem is located. It's not an insult and in fact Korean Starcraft League would still be superior to any other. But it will show us - non-koreans - that we are outsiders, both as spectators and players (obviously I'm the former, not the latter).
Are you aware that by saying that they should stand above their culture to be global, you are implying that their culture is somehow below the rest of the world?
Are you aware of logic or not? Don't put into my mouth something I didn't say. And don't try to chase racism where there is none.
Everyone is living in his/her culture. Being truly global means that you have to stand above your culture. A global event in Poland should be organized by people stepping up above polish culture etc. Should I say that GOM should step up above swedish and french culture as well? That would not make any sense.
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What the hell man. This is just silly, and plain wrong.
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On December 14 2011 21:34 NGrNecris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed) This sounds really fishy. If Naniwa didn't get the code s seed then who did?
So now they're lying as well? Classy!
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On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed)
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension
Naniwa earned his code S spot @ MLG thanks to MLG-GSL exchange program. Thats a fact and koreans are just <insert random inslut here>
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On December 14 2011 21:32 ander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:31 Haustka wrote:
harsh... but needed to be done im sorry for naniwa fans, again very very harsh, espeically for naniwa because if he knew this was going to happen he wouldnt have done it im sure... Needed to be done... explain.
Because Naniwa causes shitstorms everywhere he goes. He disrespects players, viewers and tournaments (MLG/GSL/EPS/IEM). He needs to know that he can't act like this.
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On December 14 2011 21:33 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:31 kcbgoku wrote:
Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours
This rule doesn't even apply to this situation.
He did stupid probe rush. Why is that so offensive?
Zerg goes 6 pool. Is that offensive?
Terran goes bunker rush all-in he loses. Is that offensive?
Protoss goes cannon rush. Same thing.
Where is the line? It's impossible to draw one.
And he did this in Blizzard Cup, so as the rule says he should be warned in/disqualified from Blizzard Cup, NOT GSL.
Lawyered.
That seems to be the most logical post i've seen so far.
He did this in a GSL hosted event, therefore their rules still apply.
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On December 14 2011 21:32 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:30 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 21:28 bittman wrote:On December 14 2011 21:14 ReboundEU wrote:
Good thing i didn't buy the GSL season ticket....i will never support competitions that take childish and racist decisions based on personal grudges and to please certain players (like nestea). No fairness..no honor...no respect...just insults.
If i want to watch the best of the best i will wait for MLG...not GSL. I evaded the bigest waste of money i could have possibly made. They won...they wanted a "korean wonderland" and they got it. Good luck with your viewer database. Tell me, please for my own sanity, that you would have the same response to the entire debacle if a Korean player did the same thing and got banned for it, which I'm sure GSL would do anyway. People like this are the true racists here. If you have a justified complaint (which some people do) please state it, don't label a company or organizers as some flamebait term such as "racist" because you lack the etiquette to express opinions without being a dick to someone. Anything along these lines is idiotic drama generation based on zero facts and reminds me of calling the weak kid in the playground "gay" because it makes you feel big. So tell me, anyone who believes this is racially motivated: are you a bully? Do you feel good calling people names? Or do you actually have facts and what you're stating is a truth I'm missing? Because all I see is flamebait and a pot calling the kettle black. Go look at choya, byun, and coca. All examples of worse offenses that resulted in really no significant action by Gom minus Choya's ban in the gstl. Worst offences? Gom actually had no jurisdiction over Choya - he was playing on the ladder. GomTV doesn't own the Blizzard ladder unfortunately yet they still banned him. And Boxer owned the shit out of Coca pretty hard w.o needing Gom to intervene - again in the tournament NOT run by GOM. GOM isn't going to interject their asses into ladder/tournaments not EVEN RUN by them.
Um, GOM has 100% jurisdiction to deny people access to their tournaments for whatever reason they want, hence why they can disallow savior from ever participating in anything. That's the funny part you imply that GOM has to run somethign to ban then from GSL, but they don't.
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On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed)
So now they are telling flat out lies to cover their tracks?
Stay Classy GomTV.
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At the end of the day, Gom paid Naniwa $850 for an INVITATIONAL event, and so him not even trying in the highlight match was unforgivable, and this is the only way he can be punished in the circumstances.
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On December 14 2011 21:32 GeorgeForeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:06 Vallros wrote:
SOOOOO happy i didn't that premium ticket!!.. this is so dumb. Punishing a player for probe rushing in a match that didnt matter. I wonder what they would have done if he just 4-gated.
Nothing. Because then Nani would have shown a game. Which was, you know, his job. Why don't people get this? He's a professional. When he agreed to participate in this tournament, he knew the format, and he knew he might have to play meaningless games. So just 4-gate and deal.
4gate = game
Probe rush = game
Why don't people get this? Its the same damn thing. Theres no difference. Well maybe the worker rush is more entertaining.
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On December 14 2011 21:35 Weemoed wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:34 NGrNecris wrote:On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed) This sounds really fishy. If Naniwa didn't get the code s seed then who did? So now they're lying as well? Classy!
You realise you guys are all quoting someone who isn't from GomTV?
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