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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed)
So there seems to be a misunderstanding here ? ._. i'm slightly confused.
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On December 14 2011 21:31 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed) What the? Anyone else have any information about this?
the name of the seeds were changed to sponsorship seeds from mlg seeds starting this season
gom said that they will give seeds to other tournaments as well
so it looks lile the mlg seeds deal was not in effect anymore
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Completely justified. If he can't show respect for the money fans paid to see these matches, in the format they were set out, he doesn't deserve his invited spot. I always stayed up late to watch GSL, but that will now change. The anti-GOM reactions have prompted me to show my support by buying a ticket.
This was a player's blatant disregard and complete flouting for the rules coming back to bite him in the butt. Nothing more, nothing less. It's also absurd that the format should be "bad" now, and no one pointed this out before. If someone had pointed this out, people probably would have found a justification for this format such as "hey these are the best players in the world and GOM's going to give us more matches, including the Naniwa v Nestea centerpiece."
The people using sports comparisons to support Nani are way off base. If you paid money for a season ticket and watched a game where a team sat down on the field because the match "didn't matter" would you think it was "funny?"
If anyone thinks that refusing to buy a GSL ticket because of this action alone will help them prove a point, they can try thinking about what would happen if they did nothing and showed that any match, any anticipated event, could be flouted by an angry player in a bad condition. Athletes don't do this, and if E-sports is going to be anything but a fetish-y footnote in the internet age section of a history book, actions like this are necessary.
I have a feeling that no one that's supporting Nani right now actually bought a ticket.
I hope Mr. Chae reads this (I know he has posted on these forums before) and understands that some people support him, with our wallets as well as our words.
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They talk about being proffessional, and now they give out free code S spots to two people who do not deserv it and just walk past the code B and code A line. yea way to go to make GSL seem more fair and pro.
Also idiotic situation now that the rule to offend an opponent is so hard to call. how is GOMTV gonna rule if a player is offended or not and how are they gonna rule if a strat is offensive or not? does it need to have a sertain % chance of succeding, or is it just gomtv who look at the game and make their judgment?
They have put themself in such a stupied situation.
And personally I am just tired of everything korean and this manner bs. Its cute for a while but jeez MC, Choya and all the fanboys (huk) need to calm down.
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On December 14 2011 21:31 baubo wrote:
On in such a semi-professional game can someone do what Naniwa did and not get unanimous hate. If things like what Naniwa did was done in a real sport, he'd be bashed til there's no tomorrow and will never have any fans for the rest of his life.
What this shows is really that SC2 is amateur league where even fans don't really give a damn about sportsmanship. Here's hoping it eventually develops into a sport where people expect players to be sportsmanlike.
Are you kidding me right now? There are tons of sport stars that have done terrible things, and they still have millions of fans..
You are truly delusional.
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On December 14 2011 21:31 kcbgoku wrote:
Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours
This rule doesn't even apply to this situation.
He did stupid probe rush. Why is that so offensive?
Zerg goes 6 pool. Is that offensive?
Terran goes bunker rush all-in he loses. Is that offensive?
Protoss goes cannon rush. Same thing.
Where is the line? It's impossible to draw one.
And he did this in Blizzard Cup, so as the rule says he should be warned in/disqualified from Blizzard Cup, NOT GSL.
Lawyered.
cheese works. probe rushes never do. thats the difference. and if you cant understand that, i feel sorry for you.
but im not agreeing with he should be removed from code S.
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On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed)
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
WTF??? Hahahaha oh my god and the backpedaling begins.... This is unbelievable. And people are calling Naniwa's professionalism into question???
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On December 14 2011 21:34 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:30 RedEyeJedi wrote:
Seems to me everyone who justifies Gomtv's actions are just Naniwa haters. Nope. I'm not friends with him and I had my troubles with him, but I respect him a lot as a player and I see he does practice really hard and puts a lot into the game, yet I do support eSports and I want it to be a profession like any other sports and can understand the punishment. If you want to be respected, you have to set standards.
You just failed. Hard.
So did GOM.
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On December 14 2011 21:34 NGrNecris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed) This sounds really fishy. If Naniwa didn't get the code s seed then who did?
@SaintSnorlax 그게 프로비던스에선 없었다는군요. 아마 그런 이유 때문에 많은 해외 팬들이 오해를 하고 있는 것 같네요. 정확하게 말하면 '박탈'이 아니라 '기회를 놓쳤다'가 맞는거죠.
There was no seeding to GSL at Providence. That is probably why a lot of foreign fans are confused. To say it correctly, its not "revoking" but a "missed opportunity".
He also states that he naniwa can still compete through Code A qualifiers
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On December 14 2011 21:36 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:35 Weemoed wrote:On December 14 2011 21:34 NGrNecris wrote:On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed) This sounds really fishy. If Naniwa didn't get the code s seed then who did? So now they're lying as well? Classy! You realise you guys are all quoting someone who isn't from GomTV?
Proberly not, get ready for shitstorm 2.0
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On December 14 2011 21:28 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:26 Nadarath wrote:On December 14 2011 21:22 mTw|NarutO wrote:On December 14 2011 21:18 careohx wrote:
Not only this but i also question giving free code S spots for popular players without them having to qualify. At least Naniwa did qualify. He didnt cheat or use any exploit. Korea needs to realize that SC2 is not only theirs like SC1 was and is now a global phenomenon. Things like these do not fly. Fans need to realize its a Korean Product, the GSL. Even if foreigners can play in it, its their league. They run it and talk to sponsors. As mentioned before, a Korean would have suffered a way harsher penalty than that. Yeah that whole situation made me open my eyes. That's why im not gona give any more support to GOM. Since it is Korean product that benefit only Korean viewers and just does not care about anyone more. Im not Korean so bye bye GSL. Then for the love of god quit it. Everyone who buys a GSL ticket wants to see high level Starcraft and support eSport. If you don't buy its, thats the only thing you don't do. If eSports wants to grow and be professional, you need to set standards.
Sure lets set standards. But GOM does actually double standards. Not everyone is treated the same.
And yeah sure this is hurting eSports. And me not giving GOM support is based on GOM tv actions not on some hokey-pokey.
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GOMTV is so unprofessional.
Just saying random stuff, and "MR" Chae insulting people on twitter?
Haha seriously what the hell GOMTV?
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if it's hard to draw a line you don't just say oh well we have to allow everything. you leave it up to the tournament organizers.
if you hate their decision so much you don't buy a ticket as dozens of people have already said they won't.
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On December 14 2011 21:36 labbe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed) So now they are telling flat out lies to cover their tracks? Stay Classy GomTV.
Not really. You're just interpreting it that way.
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On December 14 2011 21:33 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:32 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 14 2011 21:29 mTw|NarutO wrote:On December 14 2011 21:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 14 2011 21:27 XRaDiiX wrote:
Yeah the Rule is really vague and ambiguous its a stupid rule...
GomTV Rule:GomTV can deny your participation if you are found unfit to be a gamer. LOL and people believe kespa is worse. If KeSPa would run the tournamnet, NaNiWa would have been banned for the tournamnet after he left his game with 'g'. HAHA! didn't watch the game but from reading the reactions I'm saying that he did deserve it. People who think he deserved it are all basically this guy right here. You're in GREAT company guys! Keep supporting eachother!
Nope. I think it's harsh and a simple warning would've sufficed but what Naninwa did was an assholish thing. I've yet to see anyone refuting my argument about that from yesterday. And moreover it caused an uproar, so GOM had to act. Such is life. Naniwa got what was coming. Hopefully he will learn from this but my guess is that he will go the opposite road.
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On December 14 2011 21:30 DrGreen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:28 Ornithorynquez wrote:
In which house is naniwa practicing right now ? startale
FruitDealer can go buy him a drink to make him feel better 
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I wonder if this will actually break Naniwa? Honestly I'm pretty worried here. His reasoning for the incident seemed extremely sound and, from what I've heard, he doesn't seem to be especially good with people. Could this be the straw that broke perhaps one of the hardest working foreigner's back?
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On December 14 2011 18:38 CommunitySC wrote:
Edit3: Here's the rule being used as justification:
Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours
Naniwa said in his interview yesterday, that it was not his intention to offend anyone and he only did it because he thought he would waste our time with showing us a game were both players wouldn't play their best. So maybe he "offended" a lot of "fans" with his proberush, but this was not his goal. So he gets disqualified for an unintentional "offend", while other players can offend how often they want. Examples? What do you think are Manner-MULEs, Manner-Nexus, dancing units in front of the opponent etc. ? But these "offends" are entertaining at least, someone could say. So here we go seems like naniwa got disqualified by not entertaining us. But there is no rule for this, so lets just expand this never before used rule to this incident. But was does this mean for the future? When the next 1/1/1 comes up what will happen? What has the 1/1/1 to do with this? Just look at the LR-Threads from August/September pretty much everytime a Terran did this, 95% of the protoss audience felt offended. Funny thing no one even thought about warning or disqualify any of these players for not entertaining us or offending the audience with their abusive strategy.
Just think back to the IPL3 groupstage, when idra withdraw all his games after loosing the first one, these games weren't even meaningless no one thought of warning/disqualify idra for not entertaining the fans.
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Kinda disappointed to see Naniwa go. I want to see him do well, but it seems like this stuff is always happening to him.
But also, I respect GOM and their decisions. Congrats to Sen!
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On December 14 2011 21:34 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:30 RedEyeJedi wrote:
Seems to me everyone who justifies Gomtv's actions are just Naniwa haters. Nope. I'm not friends with him and I had my troubles with him, but I respect him a lot as a player and I see he does practice really hard and puts a lot into the game, yet I do support eSports and I want it to be a profession like any other sports and can understand the punishment. If you want to be respected, you have to set standards.
What standard? The only thing i see is an arbitrary ruling that leaves for future interpretation. Based on this, GSL can point to basically any rule in the entire rulebook and use that for grounds to suspend someone.
There is no standard that has been made previously explicitly known by GSL. That is why there is a problem.
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