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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 21:42 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:39 zanga wrote:
Nani said yesterday
"I am really sorry", also writing "sry" (literally, and more) on his twitter.
Mr. Chae responds by calling naniwa offensive things - very mature yeah?
gg Gomtv, hope we never meet again -_- He was sorry? + Show Spoiler +
"i really practiced my 7 probe rush. i should have won that game ez!"
"neither of us had anything at stake and wouldnt play our best. sorry fans that expected more"
He may have said sorry, but the former statement and the context of the sorry in the latter statement aren't very indicative of it.
EDIT: whoops apparently fake twitter there
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On December 14 2011 21:45 gullberg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:41 farnham wrote:On December 14 2011 21:38 LunaSea wrote:
GOM should be ashamed of tehir behaviour !
In my perspective GOM is only trying to prevent another foreigner to win korean tournaments !
We should ban some Koreans from MLG / Dreamhack too. yup lets just ban koreans from na and european tournaments that will make sc2 tournaments fun Koreans have shown nothing but respect at our tournaments. Except for when Zenio denied Inc that handshake at NASL 1?!
MC vs Idra ^_^? :D Pre chat interview was hilarious and MC's interviews across the weekend after they first met. He showed loads of disrespect to Idra :D. Pretty much saying he only lost cause he was tired and would own him next time they met.
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some translations from korean progamers' tweets
Nestea: I was upset because of my "out of my mind" play, by the time i got back to my mind my opponent does something out of his mind for me
ogsMC: I lost my words after watching the game. does he even know the word "professionalism".. my role model of having professional mind is Whitera. He really loves his fans, never gives up and is friendly to everyone. Does anyone not like Whitera? I hope Naniwa can learn from him. I dont think it was right if he just looks at it from his opponents point of view. If I were first and naniwa last in a group and I just typed in gg because it didnt matter anymore, he should think about what he d then feel. If he says it didnt matter because there was no money on the line, I really have nothing to say. I can only say you are not a professional.
Immvp: WTF -_-
MKP: (not sure if its about Naniwa but it was tweeted 22hours ago) hmm... I wonder what other pro gamers that wanted to play there, thought after watching the game.. I really wanted to play there too...
It seems like korean pro gamers dont really approve naniwa's action... well I just wanted to put it out there :-)
my opinion is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and mr.chae apparently didnt like it, so it should be respected.
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On December 14 2011 21:45 ander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:42 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 21:40 Zandar wrote:On December 14 2011 21:39 baoluvboa wrote:
You're an idiot if you think this is a race issue. A korean would have been punished just as much, if not more. They are forcing Korean moral standards upon a foreign player in an international tournament. it's the rules of the tournament and it's a tournament run by koreans in korea. it's international because anyone can participate, that doesn't mean that have to somehow find a standard that is equal parts of every country on earth... that would be psychotic to attempt and never get anywhere. Link me this rule. This is i think the 5th time i've asked you to link me this rule.
it's been posted plenty of times in this thread
I haven't seen every single post so sorry if it seems like I'm ignoring you. the rule has been posted repeatedly though.
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On December 14 2011 21:43 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:42 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 21:40 Zandar wrote:On December 14 2011 21:39 baoluvboa wrote:
You're an idiot if you think this is a race issue. A korean would have been punished just as much, if not more. They are forcing Korean moral standards upon a foreign player in an international tournament. it's the rules of the tournament Show this rule, please.
Show me the rule where it says its okay to throw games.
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On December 14 2011 21:45 jojo311 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:44 NHY wrote:
People need to stop saying "Naniwa earned Code S spot."
No he did not.
MLG Providence had no Code S seed. In case you didn't notice, there weren't GSL invites or Code A seeds either.
I know some casters were saying thing like that, which is why many people are confused.
He was, however, going be one of 2 foreigners invited for Code S.
Now, GOM has 'uninvited' him.
As it stands, Naniwa can still qualify for Code A like everyone else (*cough* Jinro *cough*) THIS IS CORRECT. Naniwa was not confirmed for Code S spot.
So as a matter of fact, nothing really changes at all anyway. He can still go through the qualifiers and play in Code A right?
Nestea: I was upset because of my "out of my mind" play, by the time i got back to my mind my opponent does something out of his mind for me
haha
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On December 14 2011 21:44 Squeegy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:41 farnham wrote:On December 14 2011 21:38 LunaSea wrote:
GOM should be ashamed of tehir behaviour !
In my perspective GOM is only trying to prevent another foreigner to win korean tournaments !
We should ban some Koreans from MLG / Dreamhack too. yup lets just ban koreans from na and european tournaments that will make sc2 tournaments fun Moreover the comment is perhaps the most retarded I've ever seen and that's saying a lot. GOM is going to great lengths to get foreigners like Naniwa there. And Naniwa's record in Korea is quite possibly the worst ever. It's like what is this, I don't even...
Of course they are. No one in Korea wants to watch SC2 so they are doing everything they can to catch the foreign viewers. GOM needs us foreigners way more than we need them. BW is still more popular in korea than SC2
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Lord_J
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What NaNiwa did was unprofessional, but if GOM wants professionalism then they should start by implementing a real code of conduct for players. That rule is too vague--it could apply to many things that go unpunished, so citing it in this case makes the punishment appear arbitrary.
The way to run a professional league is to set clear standards for conduct in advance, and then enforce them in a consistent manner, not to set vague standards and then decide how to handle each individual incident in an ad hoc fasion.
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dumbest move ever, why did he have to play the game in the first place? and now people want him to go all out show his best strategies for nothing?
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After what happened to CoCa this doesn't really surprise me. I think GOM is wrong though.
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imo its so hypocritical of the gsl and the so called korean progamers to punish nani this hard for not being respectful. to me it seems that all of them forgot the matchfixing scandal, which has shown me that good manner doesnt mean everything is allright and that the korean pro-scene is more interested in let the people think everything is good, but to keep everything good.
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This has gotten way out of hand. He should have been punished but not in this way.
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On December 14 2011 21:45 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:43 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 21:40 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 21:38 semm wrote:
You can really tell how many young people there are in this thread. For the ones saying 'He didn't break any of the official rules!' Listen up: Naniwa is a professional gamer, being in tournaments like the GSL is his JOB. For those of you who have never had a real job let me give you a tip: if you go around disrespecting the business's customers, not showing up for the work and generally having a bad attitude, then when you get called into the boss's office say 'I don't see any rules I broke in the employee handbook!' you will be laughed out of the building and you will get fired I assure you. The ban is completely in keeping with any type of pro-gaming scene that wants to be professional in the least. well said it blows my mind that the argument is basically "he should be allowed to ignore what he said he would do and throw it in the face of everyone watching if he doesn't want to play" 'wah mommy I don't wanna!!!!' grow up This is obnoxious to me. It's the NFL teams job to play games, when it comes down to borderline playoff time NFL teams will take off their 1st string players and place in their 3rd, effectively forfeiting their chances at any serious game (assuming they have won their playoff spot) because their 3rd strings are that much worse than their 1st string. It's exactly what naniwa did, stop being narrow minded. naniwa wouldn't have risked injury by playing that game. and this comparison isn't fair anyway. I'd say putting in 3rd strings is comparable to trying to win with a weak strategy,
You keep saying it but it still keeps being completely bullshit...
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On December 14 2011 21:44 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:40 pookadin wrote:On December 14 2011 21:38 Psychobabas wrote:
So, can I ask for a refund from GOM or what. So you buy GSL ticket for a player like naniwa? What do you do when he gets kicked out after round 32 every tourney? You just dont watch for 4 weeks? Sounds like a stupid move anyway... Not really, it's just my way of retaliating against GOM by asking for my money back, which I will fully pursue. Of course I would watch all players but in this case, I'll just stick to the free-stream. GOM was wrong and I will ask for a full refund, which should be done due to consumer rights etc etc We shall see.
So...you are boycotting GOMTV but you are still going to use the free stream? Whuuuuu? And you people call GOM Hypocrites?
Consumer Rights? LOL I think you will promptly find that you are not entitled to anything because GOMTV makes no assurances that assholes wont be kicked out of their league when they act like brats.
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On December 14 2011 21:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:42 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 14 2011 21:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 14 2011 21:38 Zidane wrote:
Owned pretty hard. His life was MLG and GSL, now GSL is out, what will he do? hes banned for one GSL season. but the question was what will he do (during time in which he cant compete in GSL) not how long the ban is. i wonder if he'll hop on a plane or hang around til the next one.. work on his professionalism, yes hes a badass but he does need to not get into such situations.
lol. i guess that's a good use of time. i somehow doubt he thinks anything he did was wrong tho. he seems like the type of guy who's typically gonna say "na they're just hating" rather than "ok i'll fix that attitude issue"
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On December 14 2011 21:46 SirHyoon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:42 Biane wrote:On December 14 2011 21:39 zanga wrote:
Nani said yesterday
"I am really sorry", also writing "sry" (literally, and more) on his twitter.
Mr. Chae responds by calling naniwa offensive things - very mature yeah?
gg Gomtv, hope we never meet again -_- He was sorry? + Show Spoiler +
"i really practiced my 7 probe rush. i should have won that game ez!"
"neither of us had anything at stake and wouldnt play our best. sorry fans that expected more"
He may have said sorry, but the former statement and the context of the sorry in the latter statement aren't very indicative of it.
thats not being sorry, thats just rude :\
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Oh wtf, I was about to buy a pass, fucking glad I didnt. Watching naniwa play was a huge part of that. And wtf is this bullshit rule they make up?
I can't believe this, ridiculous.
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This is fucked up. Blame the system not the player who doesn't pretend it works.
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On December 14 2011 21:37 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:34 kickinhead wrote:On December 14 2011 21:22 mTw|NarutO wrote:On December 14 2011 21:18 careohx wrote:
Not only this but i also question giving free code S spots for popular players without them having to qualify. At least Naniwa did qualify. He didnt cheat or use any exploit. Korea needs to realize that SC2 is not only theirs like SC1 was and is now a global phenomenon. Things like these do not fly. Fans need to realize its a Korean Product, the GSL. Even if foreigners can play in it, its their league. They run it and talk to sponsors. As mentioned before, a Korean would have suffered a way harsher penalty than that. But do you really want another Institution like KeSpa running the whole e-Sports-World of one game? Do you want a player to get an instant-loss in a very high-profile-game cuz he typed in "pp" instead of "ppp" and paused the game? Do you want the fake-emotions with ridiculous and embarrassing (okay, sometimes also awesome) ceremonies and ban ppl that show true human emotions, like naniwa did? Do you want a System that prides itself with being politically correct, fair and does everything to look shiny in the outside, but on the inside, they basically exploit teenagers and young adults and have 100% control over who is allowed to play, who gets how much money etc.? We need to show GSL right now that this is a direction we won't accept! I've deinstalled GomTV-player and deleted my Bookmarks for GSL until they revoke their decision. I don't care much for GSL atm anyways, cuz it gets upstaged by far by foreign tournaments, which also often have much better quality streams, free VoD's and a more multicultural playing-field. This was just the last straw for me... If it helps eSports to grow and be a profession than yes, bring fucking KeSPa. We need to stop and fuck around if we want eSports to be something globally accepted and not just a fucking nerd time hobby. KeSPa was too harsh in a lot of aspects, but that doesn't mean they were wrong with everything they did. People just fail to realize that KeSPa also did help eSports A LOT and even if I hate the late-days KeSPa and banning for 'g' or 'pp' etc, they certainly did help eSports a lot more than they did harm.
If you really truly believed what you said, then you would be appalled by GomTV's actions. If we want esports to be globally accepted, then you should want things like this to be avoided at all costs. GomTV has removed any integrity they previously had, and has made a mockery of the Global Starcraft League. If you can get suspended for doing something that is completely in game and was not meant maliciously in any way, that's something esports should want to move away from.
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On December 14 2011 21:42 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:39 zanga wrote:
Nani said yesterday
"I am really sorry", also writing "sry" (literally, and more) on his twitter.
Mr. Chae responds by calling naniwa offensive things - very mature yeah?
gg Gomtv, hope we never meet again -_- He was sorry? + Show Spoiler +
"i really practiced my 7 probe rush. i should have won that game ez!"
"neither of us had anything at stake and wouldnt play our best. sorry fans that expected more"
He may have said sorry, but the former statement and the context of the sorry in the latter statement aren't very indicative of it.
You should probably follow the right NaNiwa account :p
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