EPTnot going to waste time finding it, but you can't be serious thinking that throwing games would not be breaking rules. Its borderline match fixing
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
not going to waste time finding it, but you can't be serious thinking that throwing games would not be breaking rules. Its borderline match fixing | ||
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Dazed10
Sweden1 Post
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Coruscant
Singapore84 Posts
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Coruscant
Singapore84 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:40 iky43210 wrote: not going to waste time finding it, but you can't be serious thinking that throwing games would not be breaking rules. Its borderline match fixing His result doesn't affect ANYTHING. How is that matchfixing? It's not like DRG vs MC, their result could affect Stephano's chances. What Coca did was matchfixing, this is just disrespectful and unprofessional but not breaking any rules. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:28 Joka wrote: I don't get it. He played the game, he didn't gg right away without doing anything... so where do you draw the line? If he had cannon rushed, would that be ok? What if he did a 3-gate zealot rush? Or what if he built up to 10 probes and then attacked with all of them... would that be ok? Where do you draw the line? Shut up man. IT WAS LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, watching this game and he literally said, go fuck yourself guys, I don't feel like playing. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
I, as a fan of Naniwa and a fellow Swede, support GOM fully in this matter. | ||
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JL_GG
Canada249 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:47 LittleAtari wrote: this stupid. Don't make players play meaningless matches. It such a big culture difference. In the West, we expect and take into account the emotions of the players and expect our foreign players to be more emotional. In Korea, they're not used to these types of reactions from their native players. This is really disappointing. so lets say for the NBA season if the top 8 playoff spots r already determined with like 10 games for each team is still left so just not play those and go straight to playoff? cuz they r "meaningless"? | ||
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treemaster
Canada18 Posts
At least though, it is bringing these possibilities to light, finally. Players have been throwing matches forever, for various reasons (to help secure positions for their teammates, or just friends, etc.). When you are not a paid employee of GOMtv, but merely a participant in an event, I don't think you should have that much responsibility to GOM. Sure, he should have responsibility towards his sponsors, his fans... But keep in mind, this is a business we are talking about. Sponsors don't support starcraft for the good of e-sports, or any love for the players or the scene. It's always about the bottom line. GOM saw the potential for naniwa to affect their bottom line (being koreans, that is expected, due to the previously mentioned culture difference). In reality however, I sincerely doubt this one action (naniwa's "forfeit") had anything but a positive reaction. No doubt thousands upon thousands more hits for their site, nevermind the premium passes paid to see that VoD. So was his punishment for any other reason? Perhaps "Integrity of the sport" ?? Don't make me laugh, players hand away games regularly. edit: Is it honestly better if a player plays a game out? Throwing a game is throwing a game, probe rush, 4-gate, or a super-early 3rd...all great ways to lose against pro players In my heartfelt opinion, EVERYONE, every single person who has blasted naniwa for this, including GOMtv, has taken personal offence to something completely impersonal. As if a single forfeit in a game that didn't matter would actually have a negative impact. The only negative impact I see is from the whining and moaning. How were you all so grievously injured by this probe rush? Shouldn't you be more upset about an industry that only gives two shits about the bottom line and not it's players?? Shouldn't you be more upset about this cash cow they continue milking the common viewer for, while simultaneously creating untenable situations for the very players they rely on?? Honestly, I am so sick of this 'integrity of e-sports' crap. It's a business, those sponsors are there to make money, and now they are all laughing as this debacle brings in more viewers, more drama = more money!!! | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:42 Coruscant wrote: His result doesn't affect ANYTHING. How is that matchfixing? It's not like DRG vs MC, their result could affect Stephano's chances. What Coca did was matchfixing, this is just disrespectful and unprofessional but not breaking any rules. None of that was even remotely match fixing, especially Coca. Match fixing has a predetermined result set up for a match beforehand, not just randomly deciding in the middle of a match to leave. | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:42 Coruscant wrote: His result doesn't affect ANYTHING. How is that matchfixing? It's not like DRG vs MC, their result could affect Stephano's chances. What Coca did was matchfixing, this is just disrespectful and unprofessional but not breaking any rules. matchfixing: occurs as a match is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result Doesn't say anything about how it needs to be important, which it slightly is because it gives the relative rank between nestea and naniwa | ||
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raser
Norway301 Posts
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Tiax;mous
669 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:43 JL_GG wrote: so lets say for the NBA season if the top 8 playoff spots r already determined with like 10 games for each team is still left so just not play those and go straight to playoff? cuz they r "meaningless"? They do play ( as Naniwa showed up for game ) but they play bench players, this happens every single year in nba | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10596 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:26 kazie wrote: that is a pretty good parallel. iverson refuses to play and loses the contract he otherwise would have had. naniwa refuses to play and loses a code s seed he would have had. gomtv did NOT announce code s seeds before this. naniwa was merely being considered for it, but got taken out of the equation because of his behaviour. he can still compete in the gsl and win it if he is good enough. so many people misunderstanding what gom is doing.. lol No, you don't get it at all (the guy that brought up the NFL/Team thing). Naniwa in this case is the full team. Whiteout him, there is no one left playing. Now what do you think the league would do when an entire team would say: "Fuck you were gonna throw our next game(s) on purpose because they don't matter anymore."? + There are actually reasons to field your B-Team, there is never ever a legal reason to lose whiteout trying. The bench/b-team players also will try to look as good as they can. Thats absolutely not comparable to naniwas behaviour. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:30 kazie wrote: behaviour which fans like and promotes competition. dont take random quotes out of context. but yeah if it did (except it does the extreme opposite) then it can probably be justified. also he didnt get a severe punishment. he just didnt get a code s seed that gomtv was previously CONSIDERING him for. he can still play the preliminaries and get in if he is good enough. Have you seen what IdrA fans get off of? You are saying what IdrA does on a regular basis would be Okay? No, because the Korean fanbase would STILL be upset (and probably more so at IdrA than Naniwa). | ||
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Gowerly
United Kingdom916 Posts
If Nestea feels insulted go talk to him afterwards and say "Hey, what you did sucked, I don't appreciate that" (although Nani may just say "I don't appreciate being made to play games, why didn't you go for the coin toss like I wanted") If fans are upset, complain to him. What he did broke precisely 0 of the GOM rules on the matter, therefore GOM have no grounds to throw out any form of punishment. Them doing this are them saying "Hey, all these rules? Yeah, they really don't matter, and we'll do what we want". That kind of action is more damaging to reputation than throwing one game in your career. What GOM does can set a precedent for the future. Throwing a match is not something you'll think "Hey, I threw that and got away with it, I'm going to do that some more! Lose me some more games!" | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
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wangstra
922 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:40 iky43210 wrote: not going to waste time finding it, but you can't be serious thinking that throwing games would not be breaking rules. Its borderline match fixing To be honest I don't even know if he threw the game. What people are saying is that his strat obviously wouldn't have worked which has been equated to him throwing the game. And if the rule describing what he did exists, then it should have been quoted as the reason for the ejection. Look I get it, its not the ideal or what we expect. But we don't somehow reduce players to automatons either. He's not obliged to play. In any sport at any moment, every player is choosing to play. Choosing to put in the effort. You may disagree with them but you don't eject them because of an arbritary level of engagement. | ||
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slayers_iu
United States2 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10596 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:48 wangstra wrote: To be honest I don't even know if he threw the game. What people are saying is that his strat obviously wouldn't have worked which has been equated to him throwing the game. And if the rule describing what he did exists, then it should have been quoted as the reason for the ejection. Look I get it, its not the ideal or what we expect. But we don't somehow reduce players to automatons either. He's not obliged to play. In any sport at any moment, every player is choosing to play. Choosing to put in the effort. You may disagree with them but you don't eject them because of an arbritary level of engagement. In plenty of professional sports you'll get financially fined if you lose on behalf or don't show up whiteout a dang good reason. Losing on purpose probably would be a lifetime ban in most sports... | ||
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