EPTWhat happened in Korean stream just now. - Page 46
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Softcore
United Kingdom10 Posts
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gwixter
Slovakia336 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:16 rEalGuapo wrote: Who is GOM to define the rules of their own tournament!? he was refering to GOM as saviour of professional image of the game as whole .... and in process of doing that GOM disqualified themselves by applying rule that you can broke just by looking at somebody wrong way, if they decide so | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:10 kazie wrote: 1) they never gave him the seed in the first place. he was being considered for it. the seeds were officially announced around the same time this was 2)mattered to the fans, which is why sponsors pay naniwa/gsl 3)you at least try to make it look like you care. even a little bit. if i know you hate my guts but you treat me with at least an amount of respect, then i wouldnt care. if you spit on my face and insult me, be prepared for a fight. 4)behaviour which fans like and promotes competition. there is a difference so this thing naniwa did (and got a pretty severe punishment for) would be totally justified if it promoted competition? You can't be serious... Come... On. This sets such a dangerous precedent, because it gives GOM the ability to pretty much do whatever the fuck they want without having to justify it with rules. And all this talk about Naniwa respecting Korean culture. It isn't like he gets a fucking brochure when he gets off the plane to say "oh yea, you have to pretend to try in meaningless games". He was in a situation, which he interpreted like he would another (with a Swedish cultural influence, because you know, he is Swedish). Not only did he not break any rules, he actually caused no one harm. Let us pretend that it wasn't Naniwa but some up and coming player. That means he would have had to buy a Korean plane ticket and plan out his next three months (Code S is now two months) only to get kicked out for something so inconsequential and not even break any rules. They would have royally screwed him over. Punishment without the support of the law is infinitely more disgusting and pathetic than what Naniwa did. | ||
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Tiax;mous
669 Posts
He would have deserved a punishment if he refused to play or didnt showed up, because obviously he agreed on tournament system and playing those games no matter what. But you can not punish a player because of what he did in game. He showed up, he played the game as he promised. He's not under any obligations to play it as Chae or fans wants. It's his game to win/lose or to do some silly thing. If he was a zerg and six pooled, no one would have cared. Does six pooling means/shows you care about game more than that? What naniwa did was rather silly but punishing him for that in totally nonsense. I really hope this will turn back to them somehow, someway ( ticket sales or whatever ) | ||
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Echo_
48 Posts
He broke their rule. He broke their cultural rule. It was blatant and uncalled for. There was zero reason for him to be so disrespectful to the tournament. Yeah, the tournament shouldn't have had the inconsequential games and with how everyone is reacting I don't think we will see anymore of those in the future. What the players needed and what the community needed to happen was exactly this: "Giving Naniwa a slap on the hand and saying 'No, bad Naniwa'" -iNcontroL What Naniwa did wasn't only idiotic, it was disrespectful. This was the appropriate response. This wouldn't have happened if he did what 99.9% of people would have done in his situation, which is to 4gate. | ||
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Tamz
United States28 Posts
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kazie
258 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:19 docvoc wrote: EXCEPT NOT, first of all, when the NFL season comes to an end, when the MLS season comes to an end, when the NBA season comes to an end, and even when the NHL season comes to an end the teams play half assed. They put out their benched players, this has been said many times. Last year, when Allen Iverson refused to play on the Memphis Grizzlies basketball team, he didn't get kicked out without payment or contractual agreement, he received his money, had a disagreement and when the contract ended, he left. The league didn't say, "oh well you aren't being very professional so you don't get any money," instead they kept their noses out of it, which was the correct decision. In the NHL, goalies don't always try at the end of the season if they have no chance. In the NFL benched players, especially the QB will be played if the team hs NO shot at getting into the playoffs. MLS and soccer in general this happens all the time where some big ego player won't try because he hates his team or something happened. GOM has overstepped their bounds by kicking him without a defined reason that isn't an insult. Mr. Chae has overstepped his bounds by lowering himself to less than Nani by simply insulting Nani . I don't watch GOM because its too late at night for me, but i'll be sure to not watch them for a while forsure. This is not how a league reacts and THEY need to grow the fuck up. that is a pretty good parallel. iverson refuses to play and loses the contract he otherwise would have had. naniwa refuses to play and loses a code s seed he would have had. gomtv did NOT announce code s seeds before this. naniwa was merely being considered for it, but got taken out of the equation because of his behaviour. he can still compete in the gsl and win it if he is good enough. so many people misunderstanding what gom is doing.. lol | ||
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wullull
Sweden14 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:12 legaton wrote: Kespa would have revoked Naniwa's licence. GomTv is extremely easy-going, problem is most spoiled child on the forums don't realize how fait GomTV was. With Kespa this wouldn't happend, sad but true. | ||
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Joka
Sweden27 Posts
Where do you draw the line? | ||
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kazie
258 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:23 mprs wrote: so this thing naniwa did (and got a pretty severe punishment for) would be totally justified if it promoted competition? You can't be serious... Come... On. behaviour which fans like and promotes competition. dont take random quotes out of context. but yeah if it did (except it does the extreme opposite) then it can probably be justified. also he didnt get a severe punishment. he just didnt get a code s seed that gomtv was previously CONSIDERING him for. he can still play the preliminaries and get in if he is good enough. | ||
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413X
Sweden203 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:22 Softcore wrote: My only problem is that the punishment doesn't fit the 'crime'. Punishment should be proportional to the offence. agreed. I don't know if they have a walk-over choise. But if they don't these games are going to happend in the future. Even if the games are 3 minutes or 20 minutes, the player who wants to leave will not preform anyways so, i don't see the big deal. Especially in games that doesn't matter such as this. | ||
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kazie
258 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:28 Joka wrote: I don't get it. He played the game, he didn't gg right away without doing anything... so where do you draw the line? If he had cannon rushed, would that be ok? What if he did a 3-gate zealot rush? Or what if he built up to 10 probes and then attacked with all of them... would that be ok? Where do you draw the line? for naniwa's case it doesnt matter where you draw the line. it's 100% obvious from his actions in game, his physical demeanor while playing this game out, and the post game interview that he threw this match and wasnt sorry he did it. we dont need to consider ifs because this is a clear cut case in and of itself... | ||
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wangstra
922 Posts
There's now a rule, you have to play, you have to dance, you have to fight???? That's damn players domain. He doesn't have to do shit for anyone, as long as he's not breaking any rules. He got to where he is because of his efforts and its his damn choice where he directs those efforts. Not you and certianly not an institution. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:36 wangstra wrote: Seriously for those deriding Naniwa. Who the fuck are you? So what you paid a ticket, that makes Naniwa or any player your puppet? How does that somehow make them lose their agency. They have to put up a show for you because you put money down?? He threw a game. That's his damn decision. His to make, not a bunch of spectators. Are we going to institute now, you must make this many buildings before we call it a legit game? There's now a rule, you have to play, you have to dance, you have to fight???? That's damn players domain. He doesn't have to do shit for anyone, as long as he's not breaking any rules. throwing game is against the rule, and who are you to deride GOM decisions on THEIR tourney? see it can go both ways | ||
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Kring
Portugal70 Posts
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:24 Tamz wrote: I don't pay money to watch some kid a move his probes with his hand on his chin, good riddance Naniwa. GomTV showing that childish things will not be tolerated. same. Have some self control FFS seriously like 6 min more of your life just 6 gate god dam. He literally shat on GOMTV rofl. | ||
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Alem
United States12 Posts
There's no rule in the NFL saying a football team can't just go out and blatantly throw the game for an entire quarter. Yet to do it would be a ridiculous disgrace to the league and certainly would cause an upset and punishment. Thinking of it like that, GOM's decision makes a lot more sense. For a sport to be taken seriously players need to have a competitors attitude, and want to win at every opportunity. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:28 Joka wrote: I don't get it. He played the game, he didn't gg right away without doing anything... so where do you draw the line? If he had cannon rushed, would that be ok? What if he did a 3-gate zealot rush? Or what if he built up to 10 probes and then attacked with all of them... would that be ok? Where do you draw the line? Do a strategy that involves a % higher then 0% to win i guess. | ||
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wangstra
922 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:38 iky43210 wrote: throwing game is against the rule, and who are you to deride GOM decisions on THEIR tourney? see it can go both ways Please quote me the rule. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
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