EPTWhat happened in Korean stream just now. - Page 45
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Krejven
Sweden105 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:04 sVnteen wrote: gsl is trying to be a professional e-sports organization but they are unable to properly judge the situation at all 1.the culture of naniwa is not like their own and if they give him a seed in the first place they kinda have to respect that 2.the game didnt matter at all 3.korean players have thrown games before and didnt get punished for it (hero for example) 4.mma doing a hadouken or mc doing the thumbs down is designed to offend the opponent and they dont get banned for it sorry for bad english 1) its the other way around. Naniwa needs to respect the culture of the tournament he joins, and not do whatever the fuck he likes. 2) Just because the game didn't matter to Naniwa personally, it doesn't mean that it doesn't matter at all to everyone else 3) mma and mc stunt is not in the GSL. Different tournament different rules, not that those two weren't just audience entertainment and poking fun at their friends anyway and I highly doubt Hero "throws" away games. If you're talking about nexus first, that is not throwing games away. | ||
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wullull
Sweden14 Posts
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kazie
258 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:04 sVnteen wrote: gsl is trying to be a professional e-sports organization but they are unable to properly judge the situation at all 1.the culture of naniwa is not like their own and if they give him a seed in the first place they kinda have to respect that 2.the game didnt matter at all 3.korean players have thrown games before and didnt get punished for it (hero for example) 4.mma doing a hadouken or mc doing the thumbs down is designed to offend the opponent and they dont get banned for it sorry for bad english 1) they never gave him the seed in the first place. he was being considered for it. the seeds were officially announced around the same time this was 2)mattered to the fans, which is why sponsors pay naniwa/gsl 3)you at least try to make it look like you care. even a little bit. if i know you hate my guts but you treat me with at least an amount of respect, then i wouldnt care. if you spit on my face and insult me, be prepared for a fight. 4)behaviour which fans like and promotes competition. there is a difference | ||
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TeveT
Sweden148 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:07 TeaGreen wrote: I've been trying to find this out, but can someone tell me what Naniwa actually did to cause all of this? Thanks... The last game of his did not matter to anyone, so he pulled all his probes and just a-moved to nestea. This according to GOMtv falls under one of their rules, most probably: "Displaying violent behaviors to threaten the opposing player or the audience." Doesn't exactly make a lot of sense  | ||
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Toriko
Canada60 Posts
It's like refusing to pay a player his prize money that he earned in a previous tournament because of something he did in another tournament that happened after. RI-DI-CU-LOUS. And to add to that, I dislike Naniwa. But when it's not fair, it's just not fair. | ||
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legaton
France1763 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:10 wullull wrote: GOMTV, this is a joke. Please stop your slaying of e-sports and bring KESPA in. Kespa would have revoked Naniwa's licence. GomTv is extremely easy-going, problem is most spoiled child on the forums don't realize how fait GomTV was. | ||
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rEalGuapo
Germany832 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:06 Pandinus wrote: Well. Just lost my intrest in GSL January. But Idra will be playing you fool.... Honestly I gotta thank Naniwa for being a 11 year old girl, this way I get to see my second most favourite player in all of SC2 in the GSL again ))On December 15 2011 00:12 Toriko wrote: This is a stupid move by GOM. Seriously, you can't do that. Naniwa did something they disagreed with, so? He earned his Cod e S spot, you can't just remove him from Code S for something that happened after he earned his spot. It's like refusing to pay a player his prize money that he earned in a previous tournament because of something he did in another tournament that happened after. RI-DI-CU-LOUS. And to add to that, I dislike Naniwa. But when it's not fair, it's just not fair. He broke the rules of a GOM Tournament, why the hell should the invite him for the next one!? He earned his Spot no more than a lot of other players that cannot compete in GSL. And it is not like refusing to pay him, it is just showing that GOM doesn't let players fuck them over and that in a fragile environment like eSport makes me respect them SOOOOOO much more. | ||
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koonst
United States215 Posts
this was known. hell i know about it and im no where near that inner circles. soo clearly he disobeyedand knew hed get in trouble over that kind of play. in this world u aughta know al of yyour actions have reporcusions .. be it. good or bad. thats up to you and what you do. naniwa got introublr becuase he ne and didnt care enough to make his actions good that game. now it will haunt him .. as it should. u dig? | ||
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WilDMousE
Chile1335 Posts
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gwixter
Slovakia336 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:58 Keyboard Warrior wrote: GOM is protecting the professional image of the game. It wont suffer an embarrasing game just because some kid was having a bad day who is GOM to define rules of esports? they may have best skill but it doesn't mean they must be the rolemodel for esports. GOM wants GSL to be global tournament, but when someone doesn't exactly fit in their mindset (without breaking any "real" rule) they feel offended because of their personal/cultural background ... and so they find rule that is so general that they can refer to (that rule they applied is really ridiculous) We can just hope there will be some global body governing SC2 tournament rules in the future (there are many occasions when player/team doesn't play to win, just to get better seeding in next stage of competition .. they just don't state it that way afterwards .... I don't see any way how to deal with this with some kind of rule and then I am not completely sure if it is really problem) | ||
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Cifer
United Kingdom69 Posts
Many contradictions happening as well, a profit driven business thinks its dishonourable for a player to be a "prize money hunter" (then I wonder what's the point of prize money in the first place) and not think its dishonourable for a player to say that the game is unfair and broken (IdrA). The whole clash of the cultures argument is moot as well... How GOM behaves and the community's reacts shouldn't be any different either way whether the guy is Korean or not. | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:46 m0ck wrote: Against DRG in group A, when he was already eliminated. He clearly didn't play to win. your an idiot lol...did he probe rush and just leave the game...or did he try and play out a macro game....bye bye | ||
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rEalGuapo
Germany832 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:14 gwixter wrote: who is GOM to define rules of esports? they may have best skill but it doesn't mean they must be the rolemodel for esports. GOM wants GSL to be global tournament, but when someone doesn't exactly fit in their mindset (without breaking any "real" rule) they feel offended because of their personal/cultural background ... and so they find rule that is so general that they can refer to (that rule they applied is really ridiculous) We can just hope there will be some global body governing SC2 tournament rules in the future (there are many occasions when player/team doesn't play to win, just to get better seeding in next stage of competition .. they just don't state it that way afterwards .... I don't see any way how to deal with this with some kind of rule and then I am not completely sure if it is really problem) Who is GOM to define the rules of their own tournament!? | ||
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Khaymus
United States750 Posts
It might not be fair, but it is their right to deny anyone they want from playing in their tournament. If you do not agree with their decision, do not buy their product. I highly doubt you will stop buying their product over this one case, so really this is not going to effect anything but Naniwa being kicked out. If you do stop buying their product over this one issue, well then you sir are insane. Ill continue to enjoy the entertainment while you are watching whatever else you have decided to like until they do one controversial thing you do not agree with. Pointless to argue about anything else. Goodnight. | ||
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lamz
Lithuania54 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:30 Focuspants wrote: Im happy with this decision. Anyone in any other sport would have been punished for this action. There are tons of players that would kill someone to get a chance to play a game on that grand of a stage vs. a player like Nestea. Im a fan of Hero, and it was breaking my heart watching him not play his best. But he still tried. You could see how upset he was, but he handled it like a pro, took his lumps, and still PLAYED the game, because thats what he signed up for. We pay money to watch the tournament, not to watch someone not give a shit. If this happened at a pro sporting event, fans would be outraged. The fact that people support his behaviour is completely mind boggling. I think the punishment is very fit for what he did. EXCEPT NOT, first of all, when the NFL season comes to an end, when the MLS season comes to an end, when the NBA season comes to an end, and even when the NHL season comes to an end the teams play half assed. They put out their benched players, this has been said many times. Last year, when Allen Iverson refused to play on the Memphis Grizzlies basketball team, he didn't get kicked out without payment or contractual agreement, he received his money, had a disagreement and when the contract ended, he left. The league didn't say, "oh well you aren't being very professional so you don't get any money," instead they kept their noses out of it, which was the correct decision. In the NHL, goalies don't always try at the end of the season if they have no chance. In the NFL benched players, especially the QB will be played if the team hs NO shot at getting into the playoffs. MLS and soccer in general this happens all the time where some big ego player won't try because he hates his team or something happened. GOM has overstepped their bounds by kicking him without a defined reason that isn't an insult. Mr. Chae has overstepped his bounds by lowering himself to less than Nani by simply insulting Nani . I don't watch GOM because its too late at night for me, but i'll be sure to not watch them for a while forsure. This is not how a league reacts and THEY need to grow the fuck up. | ||
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lamz
Lithuania54 Posts
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rushian
United Kingdom568 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:10 wullull wrote: GOMTV, this is a joke. Please stop your slaying of e-sports and bring KESPA in. You must really hate Naniwa huh | ||
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Cham
797 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:17 lamz wrote: this is bullshit srsly, baning him for this? good job, before this eveyone loved gom, now they're faking screwed He isn't banned, he got his seed revoked. As much of a Naniwa fan as I am, I have to agree with the decision. I think this should be a reality check for Naniwa and he needs to stop his immaturity. Even though he knew the game had no decision in the results he could have still put on a showmatch in the very least. | ||
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