EPTWhat happened in Korean stream just now. - Page 43
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hongo
207 Posts
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Flipshy
United States83 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:46 Blackrobe wrote: Honestly, this is absolutely disgraceful from GOM. Its a disgrace? people are paying 150 bucks a year to watch and then get this... | ||
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Rookie6
Brazil583 Posts
Sooo disappointed by Gom.  | ||
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Apolex
Canada103 Posts
Naniwa needs to fix up his behavior, i don't want to watch him. | ||
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ChriseC
Germany440 Posts
Around the whole thing there are alot of people involved that try to do their job as good as they can. lets begin with the caster: When casters see 6 probes rushing to their opponents base they just can say anything good about it. i mean what are they supposed to say, "hi guys on stream u can turn off the stream its alrdy over" NO! they have to do their job as good as they can and keep the viewer on the streams. the viewer: there are ALOT of people watching sc2 who arnt as deep in the game as alot of u guys. but those guys are nesseccary to keep the game running. this are the people who enjoy it more to watch the game than play it by their own. most likely some of them dont really see the difference between serious or joking games. and still they even enjoy fun games cuz they dont want to analyte everything at prolvl. Also you had to pay money to get access to HQ/Vods, those people deserved alot more than this | ||
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kazie
258 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Agreed. "amateur prize money hunter"? Wow. That's unbelievably immature of Mr. Chae. what else could he be called? it's pretty clear he cant play like a pro when "nothing is on the line" aka be able to advance to the next round and win more money. amateur prize money hunter. couldnt have put it better myself. | ||
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zidaneshead
245 Posts
Koreans have these standards not because it's their culture, but because they have elevated Starcraft (BW mainly) to a level that NA and Europe isn't even close to and that means the teams and the players have a much greater understanding of PR than most American or European foreigners do, they have to have that understanding, because there's a lot more eyes watching them, watching the sport, and thus scrutinizing it. If one day this sport ever reaches that level here, believe me, those standards WILL be here as well and everyone will look at what Naniwa did as foolish, some of us seem to just be a little more forward thinking than others. | ||
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Cocacooh
Norway1510 Posts
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Yuriegh
United States327 Posts
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Blek
Brazil38 Posts
And I'll feel a lot angrier in these subtle give-ups than in the obvious ones, like that MVP vs Nestea match, I guess it was in Blizzcon, where Nestea stopped making sense with his decisions in a game that he'd almost won. That made me mad, but this? Also, to you people saying Naniwa acts like a spoiled child, if you don't like him that's fine, but there's a clear difference between having a bad personality and actually doing something wrong. We're dealing with rules here, not a popularity contest. Although with the way GOM treated the issue, I kinda think popularity is what it's all about. | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8324 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:40 Archerylady wrote: how incredibly unprofessional of gom. naniwa didn't break any rules. they should learn from their mistake and change their rules forbidding naniwas behavior, but instead they stoop far lower than naniwa did and do this. twitter comfirmation: http://twitter.com/#!/Ethan_Ahn/status/146884383549308929 If rather than playing a golf match Tiger Woods decided to take a shit on the green and walk off would that be ok? Sure it's not breaking any rules (to my knowledge), but it's definitely wrong and there are way more subtle ways to show your dissaporoval with something. Some fault lays with GOM for sure for organizing the tournament in such a way. Some fault lays with Naniwa not understanding Korean culture. But the MAJORITY of the responsibility should always be with the person who actually does something like this. GOM makes a tournament, Naniwa shits on it, GOM does not invite naniwa to their next tournament. How does that not make sense to people? Edit: The thing is, if say Tiger Woods was losing a tournament to Phil Mickelson really bad he wouldn't break down like Naniwa did. He wouldn't just chip his ball into the crowd, reach stroke limit, and shit on the course. Which is pretty much what Naniwa did. Naniwa took the cowards way out, did something that completely wrecks the spirit of competition, with no regard to his fans or his competition. And I WAS a Naniwa fan, until this event happened. Now? No way. He got what he deserved. | ||
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Aurorajp
Canada43 Posts
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HiTeK532
Canada171 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:42 hongo wrote: I understand it. I don't like it, but I understand it. It'd be like if professional sports teams just started playing stupidly when they knew they couldn't get to the play offs. Everyone would be pissed and some sort of punishment would be dealt out. It's the same thing. People was to see competition, they want a player who is competitive and wants to win no matter what. Naniwa did not show that. (I still like Naniwa I just understand both sides) Not only this but in most NA professional sports their is actually rewards for having a worse finish but the players still go out to play and try to entertain the fans. | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:44 kazie wrote: what else could he be called? it's pretty clear he cant play like a pro when "nothing is on the line" aka be able to advance to the next round and win more money. amateur prize money hunter. couldnt have put it better myself. The difference between an amateur and a professional is by definition money, not integrity. Also I find it severly hypocritical that they keep Naniwa out of code S because he was "disrespectful" and then go on to be disrespectful themselves by slandering the player. | ||
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Detwiler
United States239 Posts
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
"Displaying violent behaviors to threaten the opposing player or the audience." http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/64582 Just spreading this so the debate won't be over the enterpretation of that rule. If it has a different meaning in Korean in the original rules or can be translated into offending or abusive, I still think it should apply since handing out such a harsh punishment over a rule which is not displayed properly in english can hardly be justifiable. | ||
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CarelessPride
United States146 Posts
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:33 Licorices wrote: I don't know how you can punish a person with light autism that is so social akward because of that because he did something like a 7 probe rush, he didn't know better and in general GOM is overreacting. This is so true. The guy can't at all help he hasn't great social skills. He fought all the way to the top, winning Tournaments, 2nd in MLG, gave up his life in Sweden. And then in the end his placement in code S isn't judged by his results but by his behavior. How can you call that profesional. | ||
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Uni1987
Netherlands642 Posts
On December 14 2011 23:48 TheDougler wrote: If rather than playing a golf match Tiger Woods decided to take a shit on the green and walk off would that be ok? Sure it's not breaking any rules (to my knowledge), but it's definitely wrong and there are way more subtle ways to show your dissaporoval with something. Some fault lays with GOM for sure for organizing the tournament in such a way. Some fault lays with Naniwa not understanding Korean culture. But the MAJORITY of the responsibility should always be with the person who actually does something like this. GOM makes a tournament, Naniwa shits on it, GOM does not invite naniwa to their next tournament. How does that not make sense to people? This. | ||
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