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On December 14 2011 23:12 Petninja wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 22:57 Sawofhackness wrote:
Look if someone enters the 100m race and then just idles along at a walking pace.
Expect that person to be thrown out by the athletics committee for wasting everyone's time. Especially for abusing the position of being able to race in the first place, a situation many others would want and certainly not waste by "being in a mood".
Not the same. He already had lost; he was 0-3. That would be like if you lost a 100m race and then the event guys told you to run it again, but if you win this time it still won't count. Apply that analogy and ask yourself if he was so wrong for not wanting to do something as stupid as that.
Yes he was still wrong. He should run for pride or run at a leisurely pace. Walking is spitting in the face of the organization. It's not a crime, but don't expect that organization not to punish you in whatever way they can.
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I have no idea why you guys think the onus is on GOM to understand foreigners' antics and not on the person itself.
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On December 14 2011 18:40 Ruscour wrote:
NaNiwa did nothing wrong and should not be punished. If he gets punished in any sort of significant way because GOM had a stupid format I might stop watching GSL.
yeah he did nothing wrong except that he violated the rules of GSL... it is OK that he gets punished IMO, it was just such a f*ing stupid thing to do and he propably will learn to be less trashy in the future.
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The decision aside, calling Naniwa an "amateur prize money hunter" was completely uncalled for. I get that GOM's pissed, but a statement like that should never be heard officially, let alone from a person representing the top league in the world.
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I think this matter is being hyped a little too much
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This is outrageous. We have had The Wind throw games to MC and Supernova in a an attempt to help them advance.
We have had Inca throw games to MC since he had a better chance in the next round.
We have had Nestea show up to important matches hung over.
All of this occurred with results on the line, and Naniwa is banned for an exhibition game?
I am a Naniwa fan, so I was as upset as anyone when I did not get to see him play Nestea, but retroactively making up a rule is just silly.
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While the action itself is harsh, but probably valid, I have to say that the language that came with the decision is way out of line.
Nani made a bad and immature decision, he was not being abusive or trying to rig games. This whole thing has blown out of proportion.
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Naniwa got banned from Swedish ESWC Qualifiers and several others WC3 tournaments, ESL Germany and ESL Europe in SC2
Naniwa got dropped/released by Fnatic (WC3), mTw (WC3), MeetYourMakers, Dignitas and Complexity
Naniwa has been bad mannered and insulting "on stage"and on screen in TSL3, MLG Providence and several other minor tournaments
Naniwa had countless opportunities in GomTV tournaments, but only achieved a 1-12 record (all time worst for any player with five games on the leagues)
Stop claiming GSL and koreans are unfair, Naniwa acts like a spoiled child, and he's getting punished for it as usual. Every time, the community found excuses to him, and give him a new opportunity. He still haven't learn. Whatever, we are all free to have an opinion on him, but stop saying it is "unfair".
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Arbitrary (made-up-on-the-spot) punishment on an entirely arbitrarily (made-up-on-the-spot) post-facto made up offense. People in the civilised world don't function like this. Naniwa has been wronged in a most disgusting way. Do you Koreans really believe that Naniwa would have done this, if the rules said you can't do this?
What he did showed a lack of sportsmanship, but after losing to 2 cheeses and to terran infantry vs gateway unites, in infuriating matches.. I would expect anyone to be short on sportsmanship for the day.
(I've commented on the issue elsewhere (signature), but I won't sadly have the time to discuss this any further today, please send PM if you want me to clarify something)
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I would see this as a minor offence, being the subject of a warning. To completely throw out a competitor of a competition due to the happenings of another tournament (which in all fairness is to some degree unrelated to the GSL) is an idiotic move without a major offence included. He did not refuse to show up, he did not refuse to sit at his computer. He did, however, choose a silly "strategy". I am pretty sure someone else has already brought up the guy who did the same thing against White-Ra to make the series fair, is that also a case for excluding a player? At what point is a strategy an unsportmanship act? Is 6pool not quite unsportmanshippy? How about pulling SCV's? Surely cannonrushing is... In a way I understand, in another way it's insane and hard to defend the reaction from GOMTv...
I was looking forward to seeing Naniwa compete, I know its a silly and probably an indifferent statement, but this coming season I won't bother with a ticket...
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I don't know how you can punish a person with light autism that is so social akward because of that because he did something like a 7 probe rush, he didn't know better and in general GOM is overreacting.
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Thank god, that kid is so immature. No place in Korea if he can't acknowledge and respect the way a different culture functions. It's really not that hard, he just doesn't give a fuck.
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On December 14 2011 18:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
GOM TV, sinking to Naniwa's level. Sweet sweet drama.
Agreed. "amateur prize money hunter"? Wow. That's unbelievably immature of Mr. Chae.
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On December 14 2011 23:33 Licorices wrote:
I don't know how you can punish a person with light autism that is so social akward because of that because he did something like a 7 probe rush, he didn't know better and in general GOM is overreacting.
Because he has the gall to play Starcraft 2 in order to win money, and not to sculpt his life around whatever nebulous code governs the coveted "professional" title as defined by GomTV
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On December 14 2011 23:32 Kontys wrote:
Arbitrary (made-up-on-the-spot) punishment on an entirely arbitrarily (made-up-on-the-spot) post-facto made up offense. People in the civilised world don't function like this. Naniwa has been wronged in a most disgusting way. Do you Koreans really believe that Naniwa would have done this, if the rules said you can't do this?
What he did showed a lack of sportsmanship, but after losing to 2 cheeses and to terran infantry vs gateway unites, in infuriating matches.. I would expect anyone to be short on sportsmanship for the day.
(I've commented on the issue elsewhere (signature), but I won't sadly have the time to discuss this any further today, please send PM if you want me to clarify something)
My vote: Koreans are being unreasonable, and if this is a cultural thing (it probably is.. the whole iron-cast conformism thing), their 'culture' is wrong. No way around it, you do not treat people to arbitrary punishment just because that's the popular sentiment.
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On December 14 2011 23:24 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:40 Ruscour wrote:
NaNiwa did nothing wrong and should not be punished. If he gets punished in any sort of significant way because GOM had a stupid format I might stop watching GSL. yeah he did nothing wrong except that he violated the rules of GSL... it is OK that he gets punished IMO, it was just such a f*ing stupid thing to do and he propably will learn to be less trashy in the future.
The arbitrary rules get violated all the time with BM and ceremonies (everything there can be deemed as offensive or abusive to one party or another) and only Naniwa gets punished for it.
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I don't understand why everyone thinks it's a lifetime ban. His code S spot was just revoked.
The major problem I see with all of the responses supporting Naniwa is that they argue that he did nothing wrong. People paid money to watch these matches. GOM tv also produces the show, which in turn also costs money. They're expected to produce a minimum product quality to appease the fans who bring in their income. Although I agree with the idea that the tournament style is somewhat flawed, it doesn't give an excuse to any player to pull a stunt like that. I would have much preferred it if Naniwa just forfeited the match. That way he could have bypassed all this drama and negative publicity.
I'm not saying what he did was entirely wrong but this all could have been avoided. Naniwa didn't appreciate the privilege of being able to play in the GSL. It's not a cultural difference that's causing all of your complaints-it's ignorance and unwillingness to see the counter argument. Sports teams don't give up when they know they can't reach the playoffs. They keep trying until the season's over. Just putting that out there.
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the only thing disgustful is Naniwa's playstyle it resembles that of Carlos Tevez in Man City vs Bayern FC game. he should be punished as a professional competetor is always fighting to the end... a good example of this is Boxer
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The moral of the story is pretty simple: When you're in Korea, don't be a douchebag. They don't put up with that s@&!.
Nani's been kind of a douchebag for awhile, it's just catching up with him.
Edit: I wish they'd still let him play, but we all saw this coming.
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Slasher Rod Breslau
Providence did not award Naniwa a Code S spot, only the Blizzard Cup. He was going to be given Code S, that which was revoked. Not as bad.
slasher is a mlg guy, right?
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