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wingweaver415
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States66 Posts
December 14 2011 13:41 GMT
#781
I remember back when some GSL's were full of Korean Cheesing other players, but they didnt get banned, the moment a Foreigner does it, its punishable?

If you can punish someone for a Worker rush, then start punishing other players with cheese, in fact lets just make every player play the build order we want to see instead of what they want to do...<sarcasm>that will make things a ton more interesting!
The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.
Eljyaz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States17 Posts
December 14 2011 13:42 GMT
#782
Excellent, glad to hear this happened. Maybe next time Naniwa will act vaguely more like an adult instead of an immature douchebag who only cares about himself.
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
December 14 2011 13:42 GMT
#783
On December 14 2011 22:41 SoapSC wrote:
If they call Naniwa an prizemoney hunter? What is MVP then?

Someone who has never done a 6-SCV a-move in a professional match even if there was 0 money on the line.
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Eljyaz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States17 Posts
December 14 2011 13:43 GMT
#784
On December 14 2011 22:41 wingweaver415 wrote:
I remember back when some GSL's were full of Korean Cheesing other players, but they didnt get banned, the moment a Foreigner does it, its punishable?

If you can punish someone for a Worker rush, then start punishing other players with cheese, in fact lets just make every player play the build order we want to see instead of what they want to do...<sarcasm>that will make things a ton more interesting!



And you have got to be kidding. I'm almost positive you're being intentionally dull. They didn't ban him for cheesing, they banned him for being an awful sport. If you think Naniwa's attitude doesn't have anything to do with it, you're frankly delusional.
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
December 14 2011 13:44 GMT
#785
A player that plays for money and a professional gamer are the same thing by definition... so basically they just called Naniwa a pro gamer, which was something we already knew.... lol. And aren't they just a bunch of audience-money taker? They use SC2 to get it, but it's all the same.
Drygioni
Profile Joined February 2011
Japan379 Posts
December 14 2011 13:44 GMT
#786
On December 14 2011 22:41 wingweaver415 wrote:
I remember back when some GSL's were full of Korean Cheesing other players, but they didnt get banned, the moment a Foreigner does it, its punishable?

If you can punish someone for a Worker rush, then start punishing other players with cheese, in fact lets just make every player play the build order we want to see instead of what they want to do...<sarcasm>that will make things a ton more interesting!


That's not a fair comparison. When you cheese you're still playing to win, when you worker rush...
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 14 2011 13:44 GMT
#787
I think it is a bit excessive but someone was eventually going to cross the line. Unfortunately Naniwa must be made the example.

I don't think he deserves the boot but he really needs to grow up.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10700 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 13:45:44
December 14 2011 13:45 GMT
#788
He behaves like an amateur prize money hunter, thats all that counts.

A pro does not drop games, for sure not in such an obvious way because it is not professional.

I understand EVERY league that would not want such a player.
dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
December 14 2011 13:46 GMT
#789
On December 14 2011 22:34 Xarles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 22:25 dpurple wrote:
Coca/byun thing was way worse. I didnt follow it very closele, but its true that neither of them was punished by GOM? Thats is......weird.

CoCa had to give up his Code S spot, and wasn't allowed to win back his Code S spot through Code A.
Byun was banned from participating in tournaments by his team.

After that what did you want GOM to do?


Something, or are we to trust that GOM would have taken actions if the teams had not? Because I dont.
bustanut
Profile Joined June 2011
United States76 Posts
December 14 2011 13:49 GMT
#790
good, they're paying him to even compete in code s, he deserves to have his spot taken away
Xarles
Profile Joined July 2011
459 Posts
December 14 2011 13:50 GMT
#791
On December 14 2011 22:41 wingweaver415 wrote:
I remember back when some GSL's were full of Korean Cheesing other players, but they didnt get banned, the moment a Foreigner does it, its punishable?

If you can punish someone for a Worker rush, then start punishing other players with cheese, in fact lets just make every player play the build order we want to see instead of what they want to do...<sarcasm>that will make things a ton more interesting!

Ahh yes, because it's completely acceptable to use a 0% winning strategy unless ur a wood leaguer, and only use one hand and later on say that you threw the game because you didn't see the point in it.

With a 1-11 record behind him, one could say that NaNiwa's participation on the Korean scene is pointless as well, yet he's still trying despite never making it past the first round.
Oh well, guess it's one minute less of NaNiwa on the Korean scene we'll get to see.

On the other hand, with all the times NaNiwa has lost compared to his ONE WIN, the argument could be made that he just didn't see the point in GSL either, seeing as ONE VICTORY is all he's ever achieved over there.

One-minute man with one victory.
How fitting...
Humunuk
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia132 Posts
December 14 2011 13:51 GMT
#792
The question here for me lies in prize.

Naniwa actually won hes Code S spot as prize and now its taken away from him, its not about wheter he acted wrong or not, its that GSL announced Code S spot for a player who wins (or comes 2nd) in MLG.

What if GSL would have support MLG with their money (or what ever physical thing rather than Code S spot)?
Would it be now taken away from a player?
I see that question here.


And please for the haters, the guy practises 10h a day 5-6 days a week, you want to say you have the motivation to continue? Did DRG had motivation to play?

According to interview pre-blizzard cup Naniwa seemed really confident and ready, no wonder why that lack or motivation after those losses.


Respect the player some, dont only hope he MUST respect you because you are the viewer or what ever.
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
December 14 2011 13:51 GMT
#793
Very happy to see them taking a stand. Players can't just walk around acting like untouchable celebrities. There are rules and expectations that need to be adhered to.
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zakmaa
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada525 Posts
December 14 2011 13:52 GMT
#794
Everyone that voted "Naniwas fans are ignorant" or "Koreans are being ridiculous" is just an ignorant person. It is a cultural clash. If a Korean did what Naniwa did he would be crucified in their society. He would have been either kicked off of his team or they would have let his contract run out without doing anything with him. He would also have his Code S spot revoked. This way GOM is setting a precedent that match-throwing is not reasonable in any case and it should not be allowed.

If we are to even give ourselves the grace of calling anything an "e-sport", we cannot allow such unprofessional behavior. Keeping Naniwa in the GSL without any punishment IS "hurting esports." Much more than having your adblocker on TL, btw (which you shouldn't!).

Imagine if an NFL team threw away all of their games after being guaranteed to NOT get into Playoffs? Can you imagine how the U.S. would react? There would be an outrage, the coach would be fired and the players would receive death threats from people. If anything, Nani is lucky the GSL didn't permanently ban him from their tournaments.
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 13:58:04
December 14 2011 13:52 GMT
#795
On December 14 2011 19:26 bluQ wrote:
But what does GOM care about my opinion: oh right, they wont get money from me.

And Í'm wondering that i read no where: "GOM is hurting eSports"
I think Gom is helping esports here. Yes, they will lose some money in the short-term, but ensure a minimum of professionalism long-term. GSL is no soap opera, it's a competitive league.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 14 2011 13:55 GMT
#796
Ok... i've been on the anti-Naniwa side since he did what he did, but GOM punishing him is too much imo. It is enough to realize Nani is a BM ass and to not respect him as a player... however he didn't break any rule so tangible punishment is way out of line for a league imo.

This is really stupid.
Sawofhackness
Profile Joined May 2011
Afghanistan183 Posts
December 14 2011 13:57 GMT
#797


Look if someone enters the 100m race and then just idles along at a walking pace.

Expect that person to be thrown out by the athletics committee for wasting everyone's time. Especially for abusing the position of being able to race in the first place, a situation many others would want and certainly not waste by "being in a mood".

The Koreans value respect and sportsmanship very highly - I don't think anyone needs that reinforced. Maybe if GSL comes to the US or Europe we can let professional players get away with SCV rush/bad manner play (although I strongly doubt that either)

GOM made the right decision and I respect them, I respect Nani for manning up to his mistake.
wanghis
Profile Joined July 2011
United States320 Posts
December 14 2011 13:58 GMT
#798
On December 14 2011 22:40 wanghis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 22:36 0800 wrote:
On December 14 2011 18:38 CryingPoo wrote:
On Korean stream of GSL right now, Mr.Chae has announced that they made Code S seeds for a professional minded pro-gamer not for an amateur prize money hunter. It is official that Naniwa is given a punishment.


This statement from Mr.Chae shows how little he knows about Naniwa.
If there is anything that we all learned about this guy is that he only cares about being a better pro gamer and does not care for prize money or fame.

When he was defeated by Huk at Homestory Cup III you could tell from his interview that he was super motivated to go to Korea and was extremely "pissed" because he had to play with foreign players. He is indeed the last person you can call an amateur prize money hunter.

Also, Mr.Chae fails to see he is applying double standards and this statement makes him look like an incredible amateur.
I am absolutely sad to see this happening and I would never thought I would have to stop supporting GOM but these statements and actions are extremely unprofessional.


This pretty much. When Nani was still on dignitas, right after MLG Dallas they posted that behind the scenes where he basically said he'd take the trophy over $1,000,000 so to call him an "amateur prize money hunter" is ignorant bullshit

misremembered quote

Naniwa says the trophy is worth a million times more than the money at MLG Dallas
Is GOM actually trying to use such a poorly contrived excuse of that amateur prize money hunter shit?

Why the hell would he try hunting money from the GSL, a tournament which is notoriously difficult, when he could just play foreign tournaments?

Chae is clearly being ignorant =.=

arghhh
是那种想到他每天训练14个小时好辛苦就很心疼就想给他揉揉肩煲煲汤的那种爱
Xarles
Profile Joined July 2011
459 Posts
December 14 2011 13:58 GMT
#799
On December 14 2011 22:46 dpurple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 22:34 Xarles wrote:
On December 14 2011 22:25 dpurple wrote:
Coca/byun thing was way worse. I didnt follow it very closele, but its true that neither of them was punished by GOM? Thats is......weird.

CoCa had to give up his Code S spot, and wasn't allowed to win back his Code S spot through Code A.
Byun was banned from participating in tournaments by his team.

After that what did you want GOM to do?


Something, or are we to trust that GOM would have taken actions if the teams had not? Because I dont.

That's your prerogative, but they were punished nonetheless.
Should GOM not live up to the standards set or try to set them? Because similar things have been done in the past it should automatically be okay to do the same thing in the future?

You know he's being sponsored and thus paid to put his presence out there, and bring positive exposure to his team as well as the sponsors he's advertising for right?
Each time one of those players enter a tournament they're not just representing themselves.

Think this is the first time he's gotten suspended from a tournament? Think he's had to switch to so many teams, because he's such a fun guy to have around?
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 14 2011 13:58 GMT
#800
On December 14 2011 22:46 dpurple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 22:34 Xarles wrote:
On December 14 2011 22:25 dpurple wrote:
Coca/byun thing was way worse. I didnt follow it very closele, but its true that neither of them was punished by GOM? Thats is......weird.

CoCa had to give up his Code S spot, and wasn't allowed to win back his Code S spot through Code A.
Byun was banned from participating in tournaments by his team.

After that what did you want GOM to do?


Something, or are we to trust that GOM would have taken actions if the teams had not? Because I dont.


Then you don't follow the Korean scene very closely.
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