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Please keep this thread on topic. It's ok to discuss the professionalism of what happened, but don't turn this thread into personal attacks or it will be closed.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
December 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#1621
Every tournament has rules about unsportsmanlike conduct, and Naniwa definitely broke GOM's version. And he seems rather unapologetic about the incident as well in his interview. I'm not surprised that his punishment was harsh as a result.
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
December 14 2011 11:11 GMT
#1622
Tevez of e-sports.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
December 14 2011 11:12 GMT
#1623
On December 14 2011 20:07 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Every tournament has rules about unsportsmanlike conduct, and Naniwa definitely broke GOM's version. And he seems rather unapologetic about the incident as well in his interview. I'm not surprised that his punishment was harsh as a result.

Nani had no way of knowing this is the official position of GOM, the ban is clearly blindside hit.
rontol
Profile Joined June 2011
71 Posts
December 14 2011 12:06 GMT
#1624
he's not banned

his code S status for upcoming GSL season is revoked.


fair enough for GOM, but not for 50% of ppl here... just admit he throw away the game and accept the decision from GOM


Life is a (fateful) choice
Wicelo
Profile Joined August 2010
45 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 12:29:39
December 14 2011 12:29 GMT
#1625
gsl staff is mad because Naniwa's probe rush just highlighted how retarded their tournament format is. That humiliated them so hard that they felt they had to punish him. I'm not surprised at all though, It reminds me when kespa disqualified Nalra for pausing by mistake in the 5 first seconds of the game. Korean ppl are just narrow minded, they have an extremly rigid psychism.

Just to illsutrate my words here is the video where Nalra paused by mistake :


Look at top comments :
"looks like their religion is very strict"
"You get disqualified for typing 'ggg' instead of 'gg' as well."

Those people are pathetic they should get a life.
Moxi
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
708 Posts
December 14 2011 12:34 GMT
#1626
Seriously why do everyone believe that being pro means caring about fans?
Maxquatre
Profile Joined April 2011
France493 Posts
December 14 2011 13:12 GMT
#1627
Wasn't Greg disrespecting GomTV when he did the group choices knowing he would drop of the GSL like 1 day after ?

Stop hating on NaNi, it's just a game, he had all the rights to play it like that.
Necrophantasia
Profile Joined May 2010
Japan299 Posts
December 14 2011 13:15 GMT
#1628
On December 14 2011 22:12 Maxquatre wrote:
Wasn't Greg disrespecting GomTV when he did the group choices knowing he would drop of the GSL like 1 day after ?

Stop hating on NaNi, it's just a game, he had all the rights to play it like that.


Just a game? It stopped being JUST A GAME when tens of thousands of dollars and huge corporate sponsorships became involved.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
December 14 2011 15:19 GMT
#1629
This is why Huk is so cool :D
Naniwa got wut he deserved. I wouldve been so pissed staying up all night for that game...
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
December 14 2011 15:43 GMT
#1630
On December 14 2011 21:29 Wicelo wrote:
gsl staff is mad because Naniwa's probe rush just highlighted how retarded their tournament format is. That humiliated them so hard that they felt they had to punish him. I'm not surprised at all though, It reminds me when kespa disqualified Nalra for pausing by mistake in the 5 first seconds of the game. Korean ppl are just narrow minded, they have an extremly rigid psychism.

Just to illsutrate my words here is the video where Nalra paused by mistake :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4-mkm5xTGA

Look at top comments :
"looks like their religion is very strict"
"You get disqualified for typing 'ggg' instead of 'gg' as well."

Those people are pathetic they should get a life.


There are rules, and the rules must be followed.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
SirKibbleX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States479 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:21:24
December 14 2011 16:20 GMT
#1631
On December 14 2011 21:34 Moxi wrote:
Seriously why do everyone believe that being pro means caring about fans?


Because it doesn't. Professional means you simply do something enough/well enough/in such a way that you can survive on your earnings. The onus is on the tournament organizers to create interesting matchups so they can keep fan/sponsor interest. That's the tournament's job. The players' relations with the fans doesn't factor at all into their professionalism.

If Nani had signed a contract saying he had to play all the games out in an entertaining way, then he would do so. Because that's how he gets payed. In American sports, a football or baseball team might get 10-20 points behind. The game could effectively be over in the first 20 or 30 minutes of play. Most teams are required (by contract) to play out those games, however. In Starcraft we resign ('gg') whenever we know we are defeated.

In a tournament setting, why can't a player resign whenever he/she doesn't have a chance at any more winnings? If Nani's contract didn't say he had to play those games, then he didn't have to play them. Anyone who argues this is a narrow-minded idiot, I'm sorry. The tournament's job was to get him to play interesting games for the fans, and he already did. What if he was a student and had a major exam in the morning and every hour of his time is precious?

If you really think that being a 'professional' competitor means adhering to some 'spirit of the game' then grow up. You play according to what's best for you. You create great games when you play to earn fans and you treat your fans right. If you have a contract you stick to it. If you are tired of playing in an optional tournament situation, then you can bow out.
Praemonitus, Praemunitus.
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
December 14 2011 16:22 GMT
#1632
That twitter post by Huk made me lose all respect I had for him. Saying Naniwa deserved to get banned. Everyone know if this would've been 1 of IdrA's hissy fits Huk would be crying over it on twitter but since it's not his clanmate he feels its deserved. Really Huk? Damn shame.
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Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
December 14 2011 16:26 GMT
#1633
On December 15 2011 01:20 SirKibbleX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 21:34 Moxi wrote:
Seriously why do everyone believe that being pro means caring about fans?


Because it doesn't. Professional means you simply do something enough/well enough/in such a way that you can survive on your earnings. The onus is on the tournament organizers to create interesting matchups so they can keep fan/sponsor interest. That's the tournament's job. The players' relations with the fans doesn't factor at all into their professionalism.

If Nani had signed a contract saying he had to play all the games out in an entertaining way, then he would do so. Because that's how he gets payed. In American sports, a football or baseball team might get 10-20 points behind. The game could effectively be over in the first 20 or 30 minutes of play. Most teams are required (by contract) to play out those games, however. In Starcraft we resign ('gg') whenever we know we are defeated.

In a tournament setting, why can't a player resign whenever he/she doesn't have a chance at any more winnings? If Nani's contract didn't say he had to play those games, then he didn't have to play them. Anyone who argues this is a narrow-minded idiot, I'm sorry. The tournament's job was to get him to play interesting games for the fans, and he already did. What if he was a student and had a major exam in the morning and every hour of his time is precious?

If you really think that being a 'professional' competitor means adhering to some 'spirit of the game' then grow up. You play according to what's best for you. You create great games when you play to earn fans and you treat your fans right. If you have a contract you stick to it. If you are tired of playing in an optional tournament situation, then you can bow out.


The flaw in your argument is that naniwa didn't resign from the game, he threw it. I'm pretty sure throwing games for any reason is against the rules..of any tournament. A professional must adhere to their contract yes, but also the rules and guidelines of the tournament..and they can be as fickle as they so chose.
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
December 14 2011 16:33 GMT
#1634
I'm pretty baffled that people can be defending a worker rush as a legitimate tactic. It was clearly throwing the game, which, as we've discussed before, is something that cannot be tolerated. It should be obvious why GOM wouldn't let it slide. I don't really care one way or the other, but revoking an invitation to a player who demonstrates that they don't respect your tournament (and business model) isn't shocking.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Jacopana
Profile Joined September 2009
El Salvador210 Posts
December 14 2011 16:37 GMT
#1635
Totally unprofessional action, GOM made a good decition revoking his Code S spot, he doesnt care of the entertainment that means watching him play, is not only money you should care at this level, is a whole show arround you just for playing no matter win or lose or if there was nothing in the line, is fun for the fans men, for the fans, those who believe in you, so disapointing stuff.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 14 2011 16:41 GMT
#1636
On December 15 2011 00:19 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
This is why Huk is so cool :D
Naniwa got wut he deserved. I wouldve been so pissed staying up all night for that game...

I would have been happy, because I could have gone to bed faster than if Naniwa did a botched 4Gate.
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:49:02
December 14 2011 16:48 GMT
#1637
On December 15 2011 01:33 Haiq343 wrote:
I'm pretty baffled that people can be defending a worker rush as a legitimate tactic. It was clearly throwing the game, which, as we've discussed before, is something that cannot be tolerated. It should be obvious why GOM wouldn't let it slide. I don't really care one way or the other, but revoking an invitation to a player who demonstrates that they don't respect your tournament (and business model) isn't shocking.

I agree, I saw it as borderline matchfixing. Even though the format is flawed, I have to admit.
preon
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden48 Posts
December 14 2011 17:51 GMT
#1638
Haven't heard anyone bring up The Idra vs MC game in the stockholm invitationals. When Idra, after a very close 1st game, 6-pooled and lost the second game. Now if anyone ever gave a game away that was one. At that time people were mostly like, "lol.. classic Idra, oh well". I'm not saying that what naniwa did was better than what Idra did, because it wasn't, and I know that GOM/koreans probably take this kind of things way more seriously. But I can't believe that all the foreigners all of sudden hate on Naniwa for this, when they probably didn't do it to Idra.. at least not as much. Plus Idra vs MC was a semifinals, it really meant something and he pissed it away.

Maybe one of the reasons was that DH streamed HD for free so no one felt like they've paid for nothing. The same people who think Naniwa is a douche for only caring about the money, lewl.

However, I don't think what Naniwa was the best thing to do, as he said, "If I could do it again I would just 4-gate or something" but I really do think that people, and especially the koreans are taking this way out of line.. Calling him an "amateur prize-hunter" (or something?) on a live stream (?) is honestly way more inappropiate that to throw away a completely meaningless game (yeah, a ladder game would even be more important). But I guess that's just the cultural clash talking.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
December 14 2011 19:06 GMT
#1639
On December 15 2011 01:48 RavenLoud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:33 Haiq343 wrote:
I'm pretty baffled that people can be defending a worker rush as a legitimate tactic. It was clearly throwing the game, which, as we've discussed before, is something that cannot be tolerated. It should be obvious why GOM wouldn't let it slide. I don't really care one way or the other, but revoking an invitation to a player who demonstrates that they don't respect your tournament (and business model) isn't shocking.

I agree, I saw it as borderline matchfixing. Even though the format is flawed, I have to admit.


Match fixing requires a conflict of interest. No one paid Naniwa or anyone else for him to lose, so it's not match fixing by any stretch.
Arun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States56 Posts
December 14 2011 19:09 GMT
#1640
I can't believe people are applying the term match fixing to this situation.
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