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Please keep this thread on topic. It's ok to discuss the professionalism of what happened, but don't turn this thread into personal attacks or it will be closed. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:07 NovaTheFeared wrote: Every tournament has rules about unsportsmanlike conduct, and Naniwa definitely broke GOM's version. And he seems rather unapologetic about the incident as well in his interview. I'm not surprised that his punishment was harsh as a result. Nani had no way of knowing this is the official position of GOM, the ban is clearly blindside hit. | ||
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rontol
71 Posts
his code S status for upcoming GSL season is revoked. fair enough for GOM, but not for 50% of ppl here... just admit he throw away the game and accept the decision from GOM | ||
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Wicelo
45 Posts
Just to illsutrate my words here is the video where Nalra paused by mistake : Look at top comments : "looks like their religion is very strict" "You get disqualified for typing 'ggg' instead of 'gg' as well." Those people are pathetic they should get a life. | ||
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Moxi
708 Posts
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Maxquatre
France493 Posts
Stop hating on NaNi, it's just a game, he had all the rights to play it like that. | ||
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Necrophantasia
Japan299 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:12 Maxquatre wrote: Wasn't Greg disrespecting GomTV when he did the group choices knowing he would drop of the GSL like 1 day after ? Stop hating on NaNi, it's just a game, he had all the rights to play it like that. Just a game? It stopped being JUST A GAME when tens of thousands of dollars and huge corporate sponsorships became involved. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
Naniwa got wut he deserved. I wouldve been so pissed staying up all night for that game... | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:29 Wicelo wrote: gsl staff is mad because Naniwa's probe rush just highlighted how retarded their tournament format is. That humiliated them so hard that they felt they had to punish him. I'm not surprised at all though, It reminds me when kespa disqualified Nalra for pausing by mistake in the 5 first seconds of the game. Korean ppl are just narrow minded, they have an extremly rigid psychism. Just to illsutrate my words here is the video where Nalra paused by mistake : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4-mkm5xTGA Look at top comments : "looks like their religion is very strict" "You get disqualified for typing 'ggg' instead of 'gg' as well." Those people are pathetic they should get a life. There are rules, and the rules must be followed. | ||
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:34 Moxi wrote: Seriously why do everyone believe that being pro means caring about fans? Because it doesn't. Professional means you simply do something enough/well enough/in such a way that you can survive on your earnings. The onus is on the tournament organizers to create interesting matchups so they can keep fan/sponsor interest. That's the tournament's job. The players' relations with the fans doesn't factor at all into their professionalism. If Nani had signed a contract saying he had to play all the games out in an entertaining way, then he would do so. Because that's how he gets payed. In American sports, a football or baseball team might get 10-20 points behind. The game could effectively be over in the first 20 or 30 minutes of play. Most teams are required (by contract) to play out those games, however. In Starcraft we resign ('gg') whenever we know we are defeated. In a tournament setting, why can't a player resign whenever he/she doesn't have a chance at any more winnings? If Nani's contract didn't say he had to play those games, then he didn't have to play them. Anyone who argues this is a narrow-minded idiot, I'm sorry. The tournament's job was to get him to play interesting games for the fans, and he already did. What if he was a student and had a major exam in the morning and every hour of his time is precious? If you really think that being a 'professional' competitor means adhering to some 'spirit of the game' then grow up. You play according to what's best for you. You create great games when you play to earn fans and you treat your fans right. If you have a contract you stick to it. If you are tired of playing in an optional tournament situation, then you can bow out. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:20 SirKibbleX wrote: Because it doesn't. Professional means you simply do something enough/well enough/in such a way that you can survive on your earnings. The onus is on the tournament organizers to create interesting matchups so they can keep fan/sponsor interest. That's the tournament's job. The players' relations with the fans doesn't factor at all into their professionalism. If Nani had signed a contract saying he had to play all the games out in an entertaining way, then he would do so. Because that's how he gets payed. In American sports, a football or baseball team might get 10-20 points behind. The game could effectively be over in the first 20 or 30 minutes of play. Most teams are required (by contract) to play out those games, however. In Starcraft we resign ('gg') whenever we know we are defeated. In a tournament setting, why can't a player resign whenever he/she doesn't have a chance at any more winnings? If Nani's contract didn't say he had to play those games, then he didn't have to play them. Anyone who argues this is a narrow-minded idiot, I'm sorry. The tournament's job was to get him to play interesting games for the fans, and he already did. What if he was a student and had a major exam in the morning and every hour of his time is precious? If you really think that being a 'professional' competitor means adhering to some 'spirit of the game' then grow up. You play according to what's best for you. You create great games when you play to earn fans and you treat your fans right. If you have a contract you stick to it. If you are tired of playing in an optional tournament situation, then you can bow out. The flaw in your argument is that naniwa didn't resign from the game, he threw it. I'm pretty sure throwing games for any reason is against the rules..of any tournament. A professional must adhere to their contract yes, but also the rules and guidelines of the tournament..and they can be as fickle as they so chose. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
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Jacopana
El Salvador210 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:19 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: This is why Huk is so cool :D Naniwa got wut he deserved. I wouldve been so pissed staying up all night for that game... I would have been happy, because I could have gone to bed faster than if Naniwa did a botched 4Gate. | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:33 Haiq343 wrote: I'm pretty baffled that people can be defending a worker rush as a legitimate tactic. It was clearly throwing the game, which, as we've discussed before, is something that cannot be tolerated. It should be obvious why GOM wouldn't let it slide. I don't really care one way or the other, but revoking an invitation to a player who demonstrates that they don't respect your tournament (and business model) isn't shocking. I agree, I saw it as borderline matchfixing. Even though the format is flawed, I have to admit. | ||
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preon
Sweden48 Posts
Maybe one of the reasons was that DH streamed HD for free so no one felt like they've paid for nothing. The same people who think Naniwa is a douche for only caring about the money, lewl. However, I don't think what Naniwa was the best thing to do, as he said, "If I could do it again I would just 4-gate or something" but I really do think that people, and especially the koreans are taking this way out of line.. Calling him an "amateur prize-hunter" (or something?) on a live stream (?) is honestly way more inappropiate that to throw away a completely meaningless game (yeah, a ladder game would even be more important). But I guess that's just the cultural clash talking. | ||
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dump
Japan514 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:48 RavenLoud wrote: I agree, I saw it as borderline matchfixing. Even though the format is flawed, I have to admit. Match fixing requires a conflict of interest. No one paid Naniwa or anyone else for him to lose, so it's not match fixing by any stretch. | ||
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Arun
United States56 Posts
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