NaNi vs NesTea (SPOILERS) - Page 81

Please keep this thread on topic. It's ok to discuss the professionalism of what happened, but don't turn this thread into personal attacks or it will be closed.

ultimania92

United States30 Posts

December 14 2011 08:37 GMT

#1601

I only wish NaNi did something simple and all-in just to make the game more interesting. 4gate, mothership rush, cannon rush, whatever. When you take your hands off the keyboard like that, the observers are going to think that you just don't care about the game at all or you're not taking it seriously.

On one hand, I can understand where he was coming from, as going 0-3 is going to put you on tilt and at that point you just might not care. On the other, you have fans, sponsors, and everyone else to answer to as a progamer, and that just looks terrible to them. If he is willing to change, I'm all for it. But if not...

MasterBlasterCaster

United States568 Posts

December 14 2011 08:44 GMT

#1602

On December 14 2011 17:28 Enearde wrote:
I don't understand why people keep saying this game shouldn't have been played? Every tournament as its own format and when you register for a specific tournament you have to know what the format is right? By accepting an invitation you have to play every game the format makes you play. If you don't agree with that then don't register... every game has to be play no matter if it's meaningless for you and your opponent. The thing is everyone will remember this particular game as if it's the only one Naniwa played and you can't blame them for that.

With that kind of behaviour (and stop the "if Idra'ld have done that everyone would have loved him..." it's bullshit, nobody would love someone probe/drone rushing in a tournament game except Naniwa's fans) we all see a bitter Naniwa who thought he was gonna stomp his group and prouve to the world he's the best player in the world but get stomp himself and fall from his dream. And even if it's not the reality it's how people look at him right now because of ONE very poor decision.

Meaningless games are games nontheless and it's not because you're not in the mental state to play your A-game that you have any right on what the tournament you registered in ask you to do. You've checked in, you need to commit yourself to the people who spend times to potentially give you cash and fame. It's a job, sometimes there is no fun doing what it require but that's it, you need to do it.

Naniwa said that if it could be undone he wouldn't have probe rushing. Please, if you're a Naniwa fan, stop saying the decision he made was the right one, it's not and Naniwa agree with that. Naniwa hurt himself pretty badly and needs support to recover from that but please do not encourage a behaviour hurting your favorite player whoever he is.

I seriously doubt that anyone is going through mental anguish about this except for SC fans...

I mean, really. It was an entirely meaningless game. Everyone wants lip service and they're mad because someone didn't want to give it to them. I don't think he really made the wrong decision. Maybe he did if you are going to blame him for not knowing what the fans reactions would be... but I don't blame a person for what other people are doing.

Fanatic-Templar

Canada5819 Posts

December 14 2011 08:53 GMT

#1603

On December 14 2011 15:24 m0ck wrote:

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On December 14 2011 13:14 m0ck wrote:

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On December 14 2011 12:48 m0ck wrote:

On December 14 2011 12:39 On_Slaught wrote:
If the match didn't matter, why did QxG (Naniwa's team) hype it up?

I think we need a good answer to this question before we can even entertain arguments about a match not mattering somehow meaning you throw professionalism out the window. A glorified show match is still a match that has a huge imapct on what people around the world think about you and your team.

It didn't matter in the context of the competition. Naniwa is player who strives hard to be the best player in the world. Which is why a match for the fourth place in the group is meaningless to him. Remember, though you may see rivalry between naniwa and nestea, naniwa may not.

That's why people are saying naniwa is selfish. He only acts according to his own benefit/gain. It's meaningless to him, but what about gomtv, the essence of competition, and the thousands of people who would die to be in his spot right now, playing against nestea on tv? He cheapens the privilege of sitting in the booth and being a pro-gamer.

He acts according to his own perspective, and failing to take into account what some expect of him (clearly, it's a subset of viewers that feel this way) may certainly be said to be selfish. But again, remember that he may not see the situation the way you do. What you're asking is that he 'puts on a show', and plays out the match, for the sake of the viewers. But if to naniwa what is important is to be the best, and to compete for being the best, to pretend-play may be what cheapens the tournament. If what you want is a show for the sake of the show, naniwa probably isn't the right person to ask. You may not like this, but maybe you can understand it.

Do you realize why an NHL hockey team can't just simply forfeit a game? There is a lot more than just the viewers that relies on having a show. At the professional level, (a.k.a past local or smaller leagues and tournaments where this kind of stuff is tolerated), there are obligations an athlete needs to fulfill in order to be wanted in the business. Ultimately, Naniwa hurt himself the most. No one should be outraged by this except for the people who lost money because of this (which fortunately probably isn't a fortune at this point), so everyone should calm down and not feel personally hurt.

People paid good money to see these games. Why shouldn't they be pissed?

Good point. I guess that could fall into the category of people who lost money due to this, I was mostly referring to people who weren't watching and never would've and are angry over this.

Let me give you the opposite view. I paid money to watch a competition, why are they wasting my time with games that are not competitive, where the players pretend to care?

If you want to pay money to not watch games, I can assuredly arrange that for you. How about the very humble price of 10 dollars to not watch over fifty thousand games by the very best players in the world?

dadde

Italy314 Posts

December 14 2011 09:01 GMT

#1604

i still have to understand why there's not a thread on Sheth last issue on suspected match-fixing but i can find 1000 threads on Nani. ahhhhh...cool TL drama forums :-) ...haters gonna hate

rEalGuapo

Germany832 Posts

December 14 2011 09:07 GMT

#1605

Wasn't choya banned from GSTL because he offered his opponents to play rock paper siccors instead of the games?! How can he insult someone who does the same thing?

I think it was really stupid of Naniwa, but I understand why he did it and for me it is ok.

purpose

Sweden1017 Posts

December 14 2011 09:07 GMT

#1606

Also what about Idra not playing in..was it IPL due to him being tired and wanted to sleep instead. That actually was groupmaches that affected the group?

But when Naniwa do probe rush in a pointless game people rage!!

Velr

Switzerland10593 Posts

December 14 2011 09:08 GMT

#1607

In about 1 year Naniwa probably won't be a "high profile" progamer anymore because he can't handle himself and never could.
The only reason we don't have much bullshit with him anymore is because he is not playing in any truly regular leagues so he just shows up to some tourneys...

blackbrrd

Norway477 Posts

December 14 2011 09:15 GMT

#1608

I really don't like any of the 5+ full round robin groups. You get matches that don't mean anything and players that don't do their best. Naniwa just couldn't be assed to pretend he even cared, like most other players.

Just stick with 4 in a group and the same format as the GSL, all the matches matter and all the players try their absolute best.

iky43210

United States2099 Posts

December 14 2011 09:33 GMT

#1609

On December 14 2011 17:24 ChowChillaCharlie wrote:

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Lol no? What he did was saying "This shit in pointless and isn't worth anything to either of us so fuck it".

except Nestea was expecting to get his revenge match, on one of the twitter says he even skipped birthday to practice against naniwa.

its a slap in the face, I would be mad if I was nestea as well

NaldoR

Singapore2198 Posts

December 14 2011 09:35 GMT

#1610

On December 14 2011 18:33 iky43210 wrote:

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except Nestea was expecting to get his revenge match, on one of the twitter says he even skipped birthday to practice against naniwa.

its a slap in the face, I would be mad if I was nestea as well

Don;t twist the statement. He trained for the competition. He did NOT just train for NaNi...

We also cannot say Nestea was going all out for the game, he was just denied a game

Pikarya

United States10 Posts

December 14 2011 09:37 GMT

#1611

Archerylady

277 Posts

December 14 2011 09:39 GMT

#1612

how incredibly unprofessional of gom. naniwa didn't break any rules. they should learn from their mistake and change their rules forbidding naniwas behavior, but instead they stoop far lower than naniwa did and do this.

oldfartz

Philippines117 Posts

December 14 2011 09:41 GMT

#1613

good decision suspending him if ever. so unprofessional and unsportsmanlike. stuff like these give esports a terrible image too, its like oh its just a video game so it probably frustrated that other kid.

TwoSIXTY

Australia4 Posts

December 14 2011 09:44 GMT

#1614

Well, now Naniwa will see the consequences of his actions. This is what he gets for acting like a kid.

Good decision GSL, they actually filled the spot with a "Professional Gamer."

Manking

Austria9 Posts

December 14 2011 09:52 GMT

#1615

On December 14 2011 18:41 oldfartz wrote:
good decision suspending him if ever. so unprofessional and unsportsmanlike. stuff like these give esports a terrible image too, its like oh its just a video game so it probably frustrated that other kid.

that decision gives esport an even worse image i think. banning naniwa without him breaking a single rule seems to be really arbitrary.
if you ban nani you could ban mc too for taunting his opponents so many times...

mEatBucket

Sweden45 Posts

December 14 2011 09:57 GMT

#1616

NANI BANNED!? WHAT THE FUCK??????
I'm so not going to watch more GSL again.

Babs1337

Australia37 Posts

December 14 2011 10:19 GMT

#1617

good decision by GOM, discourages the unsportsmanlike behaviour, hopefully nani will learn from this.

iRLStitcH

Singapore15 Posts

December 14 2011 10:47 GMT

#1618

I laughed at the idea when I saw the vods; but when I think of this now it was alittle silly of NaNiwa. I'm no fan of NaNiwa; but I don't blame him for doing this.

I am neutral about GomTV making such a strict stance but I can see why they do that. They need to drive a point that you can't screw around when people expect you to do a proper match regardless.