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On December 14 2011 05:36 NipponBanzai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:33 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 zidaneshead wrote:On December 14 2011 05:25 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 05:20 zidaneshead wrote:On December 14 2011 05:09 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 05:08 zidaneshead wrote:On December 14 2011 03:50 hmunkey wrote:
GOM told Nani to play a match in which he got nothing in return. He was paid $800 or whatever it was to show up and sign a consent form. So yes, he does owe it to the people who gave him money to just simply be there to put on a show. Wasn't he invited based on results to play in the blizzard cup? I never said anything about what qualified him to be invited. It doesn't even matter really. GOM concocted a tournament when they didn't have to, said if you win X or Y tournament you qualify, and they invited Naniwa cause he came runner up in one of those tournaments. That has absolutely no bearing on the fact that he was paid money just to show up to a tournament. There's a huge difference between being paid to do something and being invited to a event that has a price pool. If you don't understand that i don't know what to say. I get the difference, what are you trying to argue? I stated he was paid money just for showing up to the tournament he was invited to, and win or lose, he was going to walk away with money out of GOMs pocket, so the least he could've done is play all his games with effort. I'm trying to argue that what you wrote is wrong. And it is because Naniwa WASN'T paid money just to show up. He was invited to a tournament that had a price pool. If i was invited to a poker tournament and someone paid for my ticket there i'm not obliged to do shit really, even if there's a guaranteed price pool. If i'm paid to go to this tournament, well that's a whole different story. Well the prize pool encompassed all the players. Nani is getting 625 euros.
Yeah and that is a "last place" prize sum, not a payment for services rendered.
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On December 14 2011 05:36 sOda~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:33 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 sOda~ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:28 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:27 sOda~ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:18 Govou wrote:
It is not about throwing a match away, It is about the manner he did.
There was 0 possibility he was going to win the game with probe rushing. If he at least cannon rushed, it would have been better. This makes absolutely no sense what so ever. Do you also want each player, after they lose, to smile and say that they had a great time despite their loss? lol, some people..... how did you interpret my comment and come up with such conclusion is beyond me. Because your saying he's gotta pretend not to throw the game even if he doenst give a shit about the outcome. sure you could interpret it that way. I didnt say he had to smile and wave. I find your reaction to be quite over exaggerating. kinda ironic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole ...............
so, in your term, you were over extending instead of over exaggerating. congrat. same shit to me.
however i think we should get back to the main topic. if you have something to add, you are welcomed.
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The most important reason about this situation, that makes it comparable to football, baseball, racing etc. is that they're SPECTATOR SPORTS. Yes they're playing for money in the tournaments, and players are getting paychecks in other sports. But that money comes straight from the fans, in some way shape or form. Advertising is a form of payment that viewers [fans, and other curious spectators] give, as advertisers eventually expect to offset the costs from extra revenue gained from the spectators]. No one really puts on a tournament for the sake of doing so; they do it for profit [on advertising] or for the spectators. In competitive sports, you play to improve yourself; In professional sports, you play to improve AND perform for the spectators. Established sports understand that. No one in an established sport will throw a game away so obviously. They will perform, or at least give the illusion of performance. The tournament and teams might pay the players directly, but in the end, the players are paid by the fans.
Say what you want, but Naniwa was brought to Korea, the Blizzard Cup, to perform. Thats why all spectator sports, especially televised tournaments are held. Not purely because he 'earned' his spot, [Although yes, money is a great incentivizer for performance.] However, throwing that game so obviously is a cop-out to his one role in the tournament. Even a failed 4gate, 2gate rush, etc. would provide some semblance of a performance for the public. GOMTV could care less about specific players, and even who wins the tourney in the end. They want the fans and spectators those players bring with them. However entertaining it was or wasn't, Naniwa didn't do his job as a "professional."
Secondly, that was incredibly disrespectful to NesTea. It is obvious that NesTea prepared for this specific game. If not for outside reasons, like MLG, then simply anticipating that his placement might hinge on this game. [especially considering the matchips leading to it.] After sinking who knows how many hours into preparing for a match against Naniwa, then arriving just to have Naniwa throw the game? Even in the undesirable conditions, some people would like to have spent hours mean something.
Thirdly, it was stupid for his team. Naniwa is part of Quantic, and pro-gaming teams aren't charity organizations. They don't allow affiliation for no reason. You have to bring something to the table. The implications of having players on a team, is that, they're good players, and will win tournaments or show skill. Naniwa represents his team, and in this instance, he represents the foreigner community's hopes. Even if he doesn't do well in the tournament, he is playing for more than himself. He promotes his team and its own ambitions [which, on the whole do align with the individual players'], and he's a stand in for the foreign community, if only by default. No one can blame Naniwa for not being as good as other players, when the moment comes and he isn't. However, they can blame him for losing without grace. Naniwa is the best player in quantic gaming, and probably could be the best in some respects from the foreign community. And he quits when he's behind? When he's having a bad day? When there's no money to be had? I understand that there were fewer and fewer incentives to play and win. But just throwing the game forfeits any personal pride in that instance, the pride that the team and community would have placed on you, in that case. ["Wow, Naniwa tried really hard, even though he had no chance."]
In the end, we aren't really here to see players win tournaments, as much as see good games. Money and rank is just an incentive to make good games. The fans, the teams, and the tournament organizers [albeit indirectly] are here to see good games. Naniwa did not perform. And that's disgraceful.
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I just want to point out that do not confuse this with the sports teams. Colts or whatever sports they are doing, when they win/lose a lot in the league and the results did not even matter, they ALWAYS put their new player/substitutions to rest their star players, try out new strats, train new players etc.
However, Naniwa did not even try to play. This is not the matter of the result of the game but the attitude to his own professionalism. I think this weighs more important than any other things. And the game just hurt me to watch. Especially when I see the Korean casters were confused, and Nestea even looked kind of mad, thinking Naniwa is dodging the match or what have you.
I like Naniwa as a player because he tries really hard to play every game and he kept improving himself over time. But today he literally let me down. Stephano vs MVP was so hurt that if I were Stephano I would have gg'ed out way earlier. Instead Stephano played it out. He tried everything he could to come back to the game. I want to see the same spirit in Naniwa. I want to relive the moment when he crushed Nestea twice in two bo3's. I want to see the Naniwa from MLG Providence.
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On December 14 2011 05:27 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:25 reneg wrote:On December 14 2011 05:01 Trsjnica wrote:On December 14 2011 04:49 Zeri wrote:On December 14 2011 04:43 Big J wrote:
It's not professional behaviour and it's definatly hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply must not do this and you will be punished for such things.
Furthermore it is hurting GOMs business, so I would completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly.
Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has nothing to do with "sports", it is not worth watching it because only immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) It's not unprofessional behaviour and it's definatly not hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply can do this and you will not be punished for such things. Furthermore it is not hurting GOMs business, so I would not completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly. Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has parallels with "sports", it is worth watching it because there aren't immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) NFL teams, and teams in other leagues, regularly play their hardest in late season games despite a lack of significance of the game. (Actually, it's often beneficial to lose due to draft implications.) If the Colts just decided to not attend a game, or to send out their C team every down and not tackle, do you think that would hurt the NFL, look terrible, and cause serious consequences? Absolutely. And so should this. Hilariously enough, that's exactly what the Colts did a few years ago, when they were 15-0. They sat EVERYONE and went 15-1, because they had homefield locked up. A few media pundits were upset for a few days, but by and large nobody cared. Because it isn't that big a deal. Im sure players who were playing that game still played hard. What Naniwa did is something like scoring on your own net.
Yea, but trying hard without Peyton (which, we've seen this year, is hardly something the colts can do and win with. They haven't won ONCE this year without him), is like trying really hard with a REALLY bad strategy.
Like probe rushing.
Edit: and the scoring in his own net? No. If he had immediately left without even trying to probe rush, or killed his own nexus, then we could say that. He did a really REALLY bad strategy. He realized he wouldn't have a lot of room for success. but he did it nonetheless, and lost.
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Not sure what GOM will/can do, but naniwa lost a fan in me.
All the talk about playing hard to be the best, and then throw away a game, get your act straight~~
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On December 14 2011 05:30 whatwhatanut wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:16 Serge13102 wrote:
Lets make the comparison better. In tournament golf, an individual tournament sport played throughout the globe, players are often in a position that they will certainly miss the cut after the second round. They will have no bearing on the final outcome and in fact will often not earn prize money for the event. Yet they are still required to finish the round and face huge fines and suspensions if they don't. This is done so that the fans who paid to see the event get to see the entire round - even if the player has no chance of winning.
ESports needs to either be more professional in the actions of the players or remain a fringe niche for a bunch of nerds. I sincerely hope it is the former. Yep cause Starcraft 2 players have a contract with gom saying they can play at every open gsl tournament and get their sponsors recognized not only by a huge crowd at the events but possibly on the biggest saturday+sunday afternoon television event. Pretty sure sponsors aren't supporting players that go through the qualifiers. Just like sponsors are not supporting golfers who aren't visible to its viewing audience. Anyways this just continues the never-ceasing invalid and far-reaching metaphors and arguments this thread will be famous for all week. Edit:I'm also getting tired of seeing this type of untrue statistical statement go check out the guy who does the probe rush blog (I'm pretty sure he wins games). It is not about throwing a match away, It is about the manner he did.
There was 0 possibility he was going to win the game with probe rushing. If he at least cannon rushed, it would have been better.
it would have been better for the viewer's entertainent, but the intent would have been similar. you are making nani's decision about the viewer's perception of a no-stakes match. naniwa was looking at it from a competitor's perspective. to play at their level, players like nani have to play very, very well, and it's silly to expect them to try their best at a no-stakes match unless said match is the whole event or a huge part of it. the tournament was the event, and both players were effectively out of it.
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On December 14 2011 05:38 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:36 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 14 2011 05:33 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 zidaneshead wrote:On December 14 2011 05:25 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 05:20 zidaneshead wrote:On December 14 2011 05:09 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 05:08 zidaneshead wrote:On December 14 2011 03:50 hmunkey wrote:
GOM told Nani to play a match in which he got nothing in return. He was paid $800 or whatever it was to show up and sign a consent form. So yes, he does owe it to the people who gave him money to just simply be there to put on a show. Wasn't he invited based on results to play in the blizzard cup? I never said anything about what qualified him to be invited. It doesn't even matter really. GOM concocted a tournament when they didn't have to, said if you win X or Y tournament you qualify, and they invited Naniwa cause he came runner up in one of those tournaments. That has absolutely no bearing on the fact that he was paid money just to show up to a tournament. There's a huge difference between being paid to do something and being invited to a event that has a price pool. If you don't understand that i don't know what to say. I get the difference, what are you trying to argue? I stated he was paid money just for showing up to the tournament he was invited to, and win or lose, he was going to walk away with money out of GOMs pocket, so the least he could've done is play all his games with effort. I'm trying to argue that what you wrote is wrong. And it is because Naniwa WASN'T paid money just to show up. He was invited to a tournament that had a price pool. If i was invited to a poker tournament and someone paid for my ticket there i'm not obliged to do shit really, even if there's a guaranteed price pool. If i'm paid to go to this tournament, well that's a whole different story. Well the prize pool encompassed all the players. Nani is getting 625 euros. Yeah and that is a "last place" prize sum, not a payment for services rendered.
Huh? So your argument is that having a guaranteed prize for coming into a tournament is completely different than if GOM paid you money to play in the tournament?
On December 14 2011 05:40 reneg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:27 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:25 reneg wrote:On December 14 2011 05:01 Trsjnica wrote:On December 14 2011 04:49 Zeri wrote:On December 14 2011 04:43 Big J wrote:
It's not professional behaviour and it's definatly hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply must not do this and you will be punished for such things.
Furthermore it is hurting GOMs business, so I would completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly.
Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has nothing to do with "sports", it is not worth watching it because only immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) It's not unprofessional behaviour and it's definatly not hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply can do this and you will not be punished for such things. Furthermore it is not hurting GOMs business, so I would not completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly. Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has parallels with "sports", it is worth watching it because there aren't immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) NFL teams, and teams in other leagues, regularly play their hardest in late season games despite a lack of significance of the game. (Actually, it's often beneficial to lose due to draft implications.) If the Colts just decided to not attend a game, or to send out their C team every down and not tackle, do you think that would hurt the NFL, look terrible, and cause serious consequences? Absolutely. And so should this. Hilariously enough, that's exactly what the Colts did a few years ago, when they were 15-0. They sat EVERYONE and went 15-1, because they had homefield locked up. A few media pundits were upset for a few days, but by and large nobody cared. Because it isn't that big a deal. Im sure players who were playing that game still played hard. What Naniwa did is something like scoring on your own net. Yea, but trying hard without Peyton (which, we've seen this year, is hardly something the colts can do and win with. They haven't won ONCE this year without him), is like trying really hard with a REALLY bad strategy. Like probe rushing.
Well the only thing is, he's sitting with one arm propping up his head and there wasn't any micro. He didn't try at all...
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On December 14 2011 05:38 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:36 sOda~ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:33 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 sOda~ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:28 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:27 sOda~ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:18 Govou wrote:
It is not about throwing a match away, It is about the manner he did.
There was 0 possibility he was going to win the game with probe rushing. If he at least cannon rushed, it would have been better. This makes absolutely no sense what so ever. Do you also want each player, after they lose, to smile and say that they had a great time despite their loss? lol, some people..... how did you interpret my comment and come up with such conclusion is beyond me. Because your saying he's gotta pretend not to throw the game even if he doenst give a shit about the outcome. sure you could interpret it that way. I didnt say he had to smile and wave. I find your reaction to be quite over exaggerating. kinda ironic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole ............... so, in your term, you were over extending instead of over exaggerating. congrat. same shit to me. however i think we should get back to the main topic. if you have something to add, you are welcomed.
My bad, I shouldnt have assumed English was your first language. In any case I love how many people on these forums take it upon themselves to tell players what they should and shouldn't do.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On December 14 2011 05:40 reneg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:27 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:25 reneg wrote:On December 14 2011 05:01 Trsjnica wrote:On December 14 2011 04:49 Zeri wrote:On December 14 2011 04:43 Big J wrote:
It's not professional behaviour and it's definatly hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply must not do this and you will be punished for such things.
Furthermore it is hurting GOMs business, so I would completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly.
Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has nothing to do with "sports", it is not worth watching it because only immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) It's not unprofessional behaviour and it's definatly not hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply can do this and you will not be punished for such things. Furthermore it is not hurting GOMs business, so I would not completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly. Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has parallels with "sports", it is worth watching it because there aren't immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) NFL teams, and teams in other leagues, regularly play their hardest in late season games despite a lack of significance of the game. (Actually, it's often beneficial to lose due to draft implications.) If the Colts just decided to not attend a game, or to send out their C team every down and not tackle, do you think that would hurt the NFL, look terrible, and cause serious consequences? Absolutely. And so should this. Hilariously enough, that's exactly what the Colts did a few years ago, when they were 15-0. They sat EVERYONE and went 15-1, because they had homefield locked up. A few media pundits were upset for a few days, but by and large nobody cared. Because it isn't that big a deal. Im sure players who were playing that game still played hard. What Naniwa did is something like scoring on your own net. Yea, but trying hard without Peyton (which, we've seen this year, is hardly something the colts can do and win with. They haven't won ONCE this year without him), is like trying really hard with a REALLY bad strategy. Like probe rushing. Edit: and the scoring in his own net? No. If he had immediately left without even trying to probe rush, or killed his own nexus, then we could say that. He did a really REALLY bad strategy. He realized he wouldn't have a lot of room for success. but he did it nonetheless, and lost.
I disagree on the degree of the severity.
I think that is the difference between me and you.
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On December 14 2011 05:33 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:29 zidaneshead wrote:On December 14 2011 05:25 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 05:20 zidaneshead wrote:On December 14 2011 05:09 karpo wrote:On December 14 2011 05:08 zidaneshead wrote:On December 14 2011 03:50 hmunkey wrote:
GOM told Nani to play a match in which he got nothing in return. He was paid $800 or whatever it was to show up and sign a consent form. So yes, he does owe it to the people who gave him money to just simply be there to put on a show. Wasn't he invited based on results to play in the blizzard cup? I never said anything about what qualified him to be invited. It doesn't even matter really. GOM concocted a tournament when they didn't have to, said if you win X or Y tournament you qualify, and they invited Naniwa cause he came runner up in one of those tournaments. That has absolutely no bearing on the fact that he was paid money just to show up to a tournament. There's a huge difference between being paid to do something and being invited to a event that has a price pool. If you don't understand that i don't know what to say. I get the difference, what are you trying to argue? I stated he was paid money just for showing up to the tournament he was invited to, and win or lose, he was going to walk away with money out of GOMs pocket, so the least he could've done is play all his games with effort. I'm trying to argue that what you wrote is wrong. And it is because Naniwa WASN'T paid money just to show up. He was invited to a tournament that had a price pool. If i was invited to a poker tournament where there was a guaranteed price pool i'm not obliged to do shit really. If i'm paid to go to this tournament, well that's a whole different story.
There isn't much of a difference with the 2 examples you described in terms of what's expected of them. If I offered guaranteed money vs offering you money to show up, it's pretty much the same thing, a wage, especially if I tell you in either case that there's extra incentive for winning, then either way you probably want to show up. GOM isn't obligated to offer these guys guaranteed cash, and by doing so, you'd think that they'd wanna give back to them as much as possible.
I think that's another thing that some people fail to realize. If GOM was to half-ass their product people would be up in arms. "It hurts e-sports when shoddy tournaments like this exist" is what we'd all say. Well part of a good tournament, and part of a good product, is everybody doing their part to make it work. GOM's part is the production, the delivery of the content, and the incentive. The player's job, especially when you're being paid regardless of results, is to put on a show for the company and the audience.
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On December 14 2011 05:25 reneg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:01 Trsjnica wrote:On December 14 2011 04:49 Zeri wrote:On December 14 2011 04:43 Big J wrote:
It's not professional behaviour and it's definatly hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply must not do this and you will be punished for such things.
Furthermore it is hurting GOMs business, so I would completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly.
Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has nothing to do with "sports", it is not worth watching it because only immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) It's not unprofessional behaviour and it's definatly not hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply can do this and you will not be punished for such things. Furthermore it is not hurting GOMs business, so I would not completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly. Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has parallels with "sports", it is worth watching it because there aren't immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) NFL teams, and teams in other leagues, regularly play their hardest in late season games despite a lack of significance of the game. (Actually, it's often beneficial to lose due to draft implications.) If the Colts just decided to not attend a game, or to send out their C team every down and not tackle, do you think that would hurt the NFL, look terrible, and cause serious consequences? Absolutely. And so should this. Hilariously enough, that's exactly what the Colts did a few years ago, when they were 15-0. They sat EVERYONE and went 15-1, because they had homefield locked up. A few media pundits were upset for a few days, but by and large nobody cared. Because it isn't that big a deal.
Different situation. That would be like if Nani was 0-3 and nestea was 3-0 going into the game. In that game they wanted to rest to prepare for the playoffs.
In what happened here, Nani threw a game because the results didn't matter for the tournament at all. He also didn't consider how it would affect his fans, his opponent, and all the people hoping for a great game regardless of the situation.
I used to enjoy watching his games and celebration dances and studying his builds, but if he isn't going to be giving his best all the time, I'm sure not going to be studying his stuff anymore, because he may just be doing crap builds as he doesn't care.
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On December 14 2011 05:41 sOda~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:38 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:36 sOda~ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:33 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:29 sOda~ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:28 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:27 sOda~ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:18 Govou wrote:
It is not about throwing a match away, It is about the manner he did.
There was 0 possibility he was going to win the game with probe rushing. If he at least cannon rushed, it would have been better. This makes absolutely no sense what so ever. Do you also want each player, after they lose, to smile and say that they had a great time despite their loss? lol, some people..... how did you interpret my comment and come up with such conclusion is beyond me. Because your saying he's gotta pretend not to throw the game even if he doenst give a shit about the outcome. sure you could interpret it that way. I didnt say he had to smile and wave. I find your reaction to be quite over exaggerating. kinda ironic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole ............... so, in your term, you were over extending instead of over exaggerating. congrat. same shit to me. however i think we should get back to the main topic. if you have something to add, you are welcomed. My bad, I shouldnt have assumed English was your first language. In any case I love how many people on these forums take it upon themselves to tell players what they should and shouldn't do.
thats what internet forum is for.
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On December 14 2011 05:27 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:25 reneg wrote:On December 14 2011 05:01 Trsjnica wrote:On December 14 2011 04:49 Zeri wrote:On December 14 2011 04:43 Big J wrote:
It's not professional behaviour and it's definatly hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply must not do this and you will be punished for such things.
Furthermore it is hurting GOMs business, so I would completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly.
Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has nothing to do with "sports", it is not worth watching it because only immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) It's not unprofessional behaviour and it's definatly not hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply can do this and you will not be punished for such things. Furthermore it is not hurting GOMs business, so I would not completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly. Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has parallels with "sports", it is worth watching it because there aren't immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) NFL teams, and teams in other leagues, regularly play their hardest in late season games despite a lack of significance of the game. (Actually, it's often beneficial to lose due to draft implications.) If the Colts just decided to not attend a game, or to send out their C team every down and not tackle, do you think that would hurt the NFL, look terrible, and cause serious consequences? Absolutely. And so should this. Hilariously enough, that's exactly what the Colts did a few years ago, when they were 15-0. They sat EVERYONE and went 15-1, because they had homefield locked up. A few media pundits were upset for a few days, but by and large nobody cared. Because it isn't that big a deal. Im sure players who were playing that game still played hard. What Naniwa did is something like scoring on your own net.
Not at all, Attacking his own Nexus would be like scoring on your own net.
Sitting your starters in any NFL-game is basically to hand over the match, nice and gift-wrapped.
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On December 14 2011 05:52 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:27 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:25 reneg wrote:On December 14 2011 05:01 Trsjnica wrote:On December 14 2011 04:49 Zeri wrote:On December 14 2011 04:43 Big J wrote:
It's not professional behaviour and it's definatly hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply must not do this and you will be punished for such things.
Furthermore it is hurting GOMs business, so I would completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly.
Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has nothing to do with "sports", it is not worth watching it because only immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) It's not unprofessional behaviour and it's definatly not hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply can do this and you will not be punished for such things. Furthermore it is not hurting GOMs business, so I would not completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly. Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has parallels with "sports", it is worth watching it because there aren't immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) NFL teams, and teams in other leagues, regularly play their hardest in late season games despite a lack of significance of the game. (Actually, it's often beneficial to lose due to draft implications.) If the Colts just decided to not attend a game, or to send out their C team every down and not tackle, do you think that would hurt the NFL, look terrible, and cause serious consequences? Absolutely. And so should this. Hilariously enough, that's exactly what the Colts did a few years ago, when they were 15-0. They sat EVERYONE and went 15-1, because they had homefield locked up. A few media pundits were upset for a few days, but by and large nobody cared. Because it isn't that big a deal. Im sure players who were playing that game still played hard. What Naniwa did is something like scoring on your own net. Not at all, Attacking his own Nexus would be like scoring on your own net. Sitting your starters in any NFL-game is basically to hand over the match, nice and gift-wrapped.
Each and every player on the field will be playing to the best of their abilities, for various reasons. (Improve stats, impress coach, get more playing time next game, get a better contract, because they have sponsors, because the NFL would punish them if they didn't, etc.)
This was not that.
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On December 14 2011 05:52 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:27 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:25 reneg wrote:On December 14 2011 05:01 Trsjnica wrote:On December 14 2011 04:49 Zeri wrote:On December 14 2011 04:43 Big J wrote:
It's not professional behaviour and it's definatly hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply must not do this and you will be punished for such things.
Furthermore it is hurting GOMs business, so I would completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly.
Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has nothing to do with "sports", it is not worth watching it because only immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) It's not unprofessional behaviour and it's definatly not hurting e-sports if people can do this as in other sports competitions you simply can do this and you will not be punished for such things. Furthermore it is not hurting GOMs business, so I would not completly understand if they punished Nani for that rather harshly. Everyone who is not a big esports fan and hears of this will just get the impression that this has parallels with "sports", it is worth watching it because there aren't immature kids are playing it. (not calling Nani a such, but that's what the impression has to be for outsiders) NFL teams, and teams in other leagues, regularly play their hardest in late season games despite a lack of significance of the game. (Actually, it's often beneficial to lose due to draft implications.) If the Colts just decided to not attend a game, or to send out their C team every down and not tackle, do you think that would hurt the NFL, look terrible, and cause serious consequences? Absolutely. And so should this. Hilariously enough, that's exactly what the Colts did a few years ago, when they were 15-0. They sat EVERYONE and went 15-1, because they had homefield locked up. A few media pundits were upset for a few days, but by and large nobody cared. Because it isn't that big a deal. Im sure players who were playing that game still played hard. What Naniwa did is something like scoring on your own net. Not at all, Attacking his own Nexus would be like scoring on your own net. Sitting your starters in any NFL-game is basically to hand over the match, nice and gift-wrapped.
uh.. I actually am a avid sports fan and I've seen many games injured team pull out a win. I guess you haven't.
Naniwa didnt even do much micro or anything in that game.
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Maybe he just thought this was his best chance, maybe he figured he would be more and more behind throughout the game! 
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naniwa has always shown this kid of immaturity. i could forgive him for that MLG and blizzcon fiasco, but not this. this is like saying "im not going to earn any money, so i don't care about this tournament anymore"
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rofl
i went to sleep after the second game but i just had to click on this because right as soon as i saw the title i knew naniwa did something stupid
i hope he loses his code s slot because of this, he doesn't just make himself look bad, he makes all "white dudes" in starcraft look bad by doing this
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On December 14 2011 05:29 sOda~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:28 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 05:27 sOda~ wrote:On December 14 2011 05:18 Govou wrote:
It is not about throwing a match away, It is about the manner he did.
There was 0 possibility he was going to win the game with probe rushing. If he at least cannon rushed, it would have been better. This makes absolutely no sense what so ever. Do you also want each player, after they lose, to smile and say that they had a great time despite their loss? lol, some people..... how did you interpret my comment and come up with such conclusion is beyond me. Because your saying he's gotta pretend not to throw the game even if he doenst give a shit about the outcome.
welcome to professionalism in "The Real World".
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