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On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like.
seriously? for the last game, he essentially walked into an exam room just to write his name down and walk out while handing the exam to the professor. if you think that's okay then there's not much i can say.
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On December 14 2011 06:39 fush wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. seriously? for the last game, he essentially walked into an exam room just to write his name down and walk out while handing the exam to the professor. if you think that's okay then there's not much i can say.
If you were going to fail the class anyway, why would you bother taking the exam?
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On December 14 2011 06:36 Xiron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:32 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
BTW Nestea sucks recently, really fallen apart, Naniwa probably woulda smashed him again anyway. if naniwa 1 gated or cannon rushed, he would not get this shitstorm upon him. sure he would be criticized but his professionalism would not be questioned to this degree. He can probe rush all he wants in ladder. Pro just doesnt blatantly do this kind of stuff. That's my understanding and generally required ethic in real life. You have ethics that prohibit professional gamers to perform strategies with low win percentage? Wow.
lol I dont know what's so surprising. Usually a real job with contract require such ethics. Unless you live in greece or something.
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On December 14 2011 06:39 schmitty9800 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:24 TheBanana wrote:
\Are you kidding me?
You don't realise that "the best of their abilities" is a joke compared to the actual starters?
And in the tough competition that is NFL, this is like saying "here take the win, we don't want it, just take it".
The other team losing would be an embarresment and equivelent to Nestea losing to that Probe rush.
The NFL would never punish somebody for not giving their all, wtf?
The NFL hasn't had to do it because they haven't had occasion for it. However they've done it in football/soccer, the EPL punished Blackpool last year for fielding a weakened team vs. Aston Villa (they were saving players for another fixture that they thought would be easier).
Some NFL coaches will cut players for half assing it at the end of the season. I'm pretty sure Jim Schwartz made that threat last year. Even when the Lions were terrible, they didn't give up in their final games (and won them.)
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On December 14 2011 06:41 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:36 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 06:32 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
BTW Nestea sucks recently, really fallen apart, Naniwa probably woulda smashed him again anyway. if naniwa 1 gated or cannon rushed, he would not get this shitstorm upon him. sure he would be criticized but his professionalism would not be questioned to this degree. He can probe rush all he wants in ladder. Pro just doesnt blatantly do this kind of stuff. That's my understanding and generally required ethic in real life. You have ethics that prohibit professional gamers to perform strategies with low win percentage? Wow. lol I dont know what's so surprising. Usually a real job with contract require such ethics. Unless you live in greece or something.
What are you talking about? There are no "strategy clauses" in job contracts. They stipulate that you can't break the law but other than that an employer doesn't give a damn how you do your job so long as you're profitable.
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On December 14 2011 06:31 Xiron wrote:
This thread is a pain in the ass for everyone with the ability to look at something in a rational way. If Nani does not want to play a game that has nothing on stake it's totally fine. It's not anyone's business. Nestea got his win and that is all that counts. Anyone who argues with morals is completely subjective and thus plain false.
It's not a moral argument, it's a business argument. GOM is trying to run an entertaining tournament that makes money, then one of the participants decides that he's not going to be entertaining. If GOM wants to punish him they're within their rights.
But of course if GOM wanted this to never ever happen, they'd set up a system where you earn money based on your place in the each group (mb have 10th overall win $50, 9th win $100, 8th win $150, and 7th win $200).
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On December 14 2011 06:40 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:39 fush wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. seriously? for the last game, he essentially walked into an exam room just to write his name down and walk out while handing the exam to the professor. if you think that's okay then there's not much i can say. If you were going to fail the class anyway, why would you bother taking the exam?
Why did you take the class anyway if you are gonna fail? Your logic doesn't work man.
The point is, that, even if you are gonna fail, or lose. If you have respect for your fan, your parents, your teacher, your opponent, you will play to the best of your ability. And that is professionalism Nani usually demonstrates...well, not this time.
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On December 14 2011 06:39 fush wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. seriously? for the last game, he essentially walked into an exam room just to write his name down and walk out while handing the exam to the professor. if you think that's okay then there's not much i can say.
I've done that multiple times. shit I just did that last wednesday for my Plant Pathology final.
because the professor said the final doesn't hurt your grade, only improves it. I had a 94%.
wrote my name, turned in blank exam.
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Woah look at that huge mountain I see here.. wait, wait, wait.. that's just a tiny molehill.
w.t.f.
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On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ...
He isn't competitive he was already eliminated, so what is there to win?
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On December 14 2011 06:44 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:39 fush wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. seriously? for the last game, he essentially walked into an exam room just to write his name down and walk out while handing the exam to the professor. if you think that's okay then there's not much i can say. I've done that multiple times. shit I just did that last wednesday for my Plant Pathology final. because the professor said the final doesn't hurt your grade, only improves it. I had a 94%. wrote my name, turned in blank exam.
terrible analogy that actually HURTS your point.
I, too, have had many, many classes where my GPA for the class was above a 98 and even with the failed exam I still received an A for the class.
edit: @fush
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On December 14 2011 06:45 PoOxZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... He isn't competitive he was already eliminated, so what is there to win?
if you were really competitive, you still wouldn't settle for last place.
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The only people who have reason to complain here are the teams, because they had less facetime for their sponsors. As a fan, I'm glad every time I don't have to see another game as bad as Blizzcon finals (and wasn't it Nestea who threw those?).
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On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ...
Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes.
Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless
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On December 14 2011 06:49 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:45 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... He isn't competitive he was already eliminated, so what is there to win? if you were really competitive, you still wouldn't settle for last place.
Actually truly competitive people only see 1st place and not 1st place. There's no difference between last and second to last for them.
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On December 14 2011 06:43 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:41 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 06:36 Xiron wrote:On December 14 2011 06:32 Govou wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
BTW Nestea sucks recently, really fallen apart, Naniwa probably woulda smashed him again anyway. if naniwa 1 gated or cannon rushed, he would not get this shitstorm upon him. sure he would be criticized but his professionalism would not be questioned to this degree. He can probe rush all he wants in ladder. Pro just doesnt blatantly do this kind of stuff. That's my understanding and generally required ethic in real life. You have ethics that prohibit professional gamers to perform strategies with low win percentage? Wow. lol I dont know what's so surprising. Usually a real job with contract require such ethics. Unless you live in greece or something. What are you talking about? There are no "strategy clauses" in job contracts. They stipulate that you can't break the law but other than that an employer doesn't give a damn how you do your job so long as you're profitable.
there maybe not 'strategy clauses' but I'm sure he is required to show professionalism in the contract.
How exactly is probe rushing, in anyways, professional?
Also alot of employers do give a damn how you make the money.
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On December 14 2011 06:49 Jormundr wrote:
The only people who have reason to complain here are the teams, because they had less facetime for their sponsors. As a fan, I'm glad every time I don't have to see another game as bad as Blizzcon finals (and wasn't it Nestea who threw those?).
Teams are probably getting more publicity out of this then they would had the game been played
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On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless
12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up
random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack
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I hope Naniwa learned that the fans are something to play for. He isn't broadcasted on tv just so he could have a crack at some money or advancing to the next stage of the tournament. He is being broadcasted because fans want to see some entertaining games.
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On December 14 2011 06:49 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:49 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:45 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... He isn't competitive he was already eliminated, so what is there to win? if you were really competitive, you still wouldn't settle for last place. Actually truly competitive people only see 1st place and not 1st place. There's no difference between last and second to last for them.
oh really... that's weird
I'm personally really competitive, and if I could've gotten higher then I actually performed, I'd seriously been pissed with myself.
so ok
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