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On December 14 2011 06:44 TolEranceNA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:40 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 06:39 fush wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. seriously? for the last game, he essentially walked into an exam room just to write his name down and walk out while handing the exam to the professor. if you think that's okay then there's not much i can say. If you were going to fail the class anyway, why would you bother taking the exam? Why did you take the class anyway if you are gonna fail? Your logic doesn't work man. The point is, that, even if you are gonna fail, or lose. If you have respect for your fan, your parents, your teacher, your opponent, you will play to the best of your ability. And that is professionalism Nani usually demonstrates...well, not this time.
ROFL what? I don't think nani entered the tourni thinking he was going to lose. But once he was eliminated and humiliated he wanted to go home (aka not take the final exam for a class you can't pass) and GOM said NO, and made him play a pointless match, so he ended it as fast as possible(writing his name and leaving). Gom should tier the prize money or not play inconsequential matches.
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I couldn't read through the entire thread, but this type of behavior is what will keep e-sports from becoming a mainstream contender. To those of you who can say "Well the match didn't matter, it's GOM's responsibility to make them play for something that matters."
Sorry, that's bullshit, it's the PLAYER'S responsibility to display what's called professionalism. You want to be a pro, ACT like one. You don't see this kind of behavior in other sports. And there are MANY meaningless games that are played in other sports. I'm talking about teams that are eliminated from the playoffs with plenty of games left in the season. Well those are meaningless games for those teams, but why do they play them? Because they're professionals, it's what they get paid to do. They play because there's a sense of personal pride, because they are competitors.
You would NEVER see a team in mainstream sports just not show up to the arena.
What Naniwa did was unprofessional, childish and very selfish. All he was thinking about was himself and it's really too bad that someone with all the skill in the world can behave in such a manner.
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On December 14 2011 06:58 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:44 TolEranceNA wrote:On December 14 2011 06:40 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 06:39 fush wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. seriously? for the last game, he essentially walked into an exam room just to write his name down and walk out while handing the exam to the professor. if you think that's okay then there's not much i can say. If you were going to fail the class anyway, why would you bother taking the exam? Why did you take the class anyway if you are gonna fail? Your logic doesn't work man. The point is, that, even if you are gonna fail, or lose. If you have respect for your fan, your parents, your teacher, your opponent, you will play to the best of your ability. And that is professionalism Nani usually demonstrates...well, not this time. ROFL what? I don't think nani entered the tourni thinking he was going to lose. But once he was eliminated and humiliated he wanted to go home (aka not take the final exam for a class you can't pass) and GOM said NO, and made him play a pointless match, so he ended it as fast as possible(writing his name and leaving). Gom should tier the prize money or not play inconsequential matches.
say source on whether he actually _asked_ GOM if he still needed to play (and that he didn't want to play and they still made him do it or else he dies/whatever).
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On December 14 2011 06:52 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:49 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:45 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... He isn't competitive he was already eliminated, so what is there to win? if you were really competitive, you still wouldn't settle for last place. Actually truly competitive people only see 1st place and not 1st place. There's no difference between last and second to last for them. oh really... that's weird I'm personally really competitive, and if I could've gotten higher then I actually performed, I'd seriously been pissed with myself. so ok
If you aint first, you're last!
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On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack
And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like.
As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban.
IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't.
Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game.
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On December 14 2011 07:00 TheWonderbread wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:52 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:45 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... He isn't competitive he was already eliminated, so what is there to win? if you were really competitive, you still wouldn't settle for last place. Actually truly competitive people only see 1st place and not 1st place. There's no difference between last and second to last for them. oh really... that's weird I'm personally really competitive, and if I could've gotten higher then I actually performed, I'd seriously been pissed with myself. so ok If you aint first, you're last!
Are you playing starcraft? Are you the best (are you MVP)? No? You better quit right now!
Are you doing anything in life in which you think you aren't the best in the world? You better stop doing it!
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On December 14 2011 06:47 DueSs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:44 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 06:39 fush wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. seriously? for the last game, he essentially walked into an exam room just to write his name down and walk out while handing the exam to the professor. if you think that's okay then there's not much i can say. I've done that multiple times. shit I just did that last wednesday for my Plant Pathology final. because the professor said the final doesn't hurt your grade, only improves it. I had a 94%. wrote my name, turned in blank exam. terrible analogy that actually HURTS your point. I, too, have had many, many classes where my GPA for the class was above a 98 and even with the failed exam I still received an A for the class. edit: @fush
sounds like you're going to do wonders with that attitude in the professional world my friend. do only what's necessary for passing, never strive to do your best. and what's great is that you flaunt that "achievement" of yours as if it's a good thing, as if you've beat the system or something. not all people share these values i guess, and i'm not one to judge. however, on that note, enjoy mediocrity.
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On December 14 2011 07:00 TheWonderbread wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:52 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:45 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... He isn't competitive he was already eliminated, so what is there to win? if you were really competitive, you still wouldn't settle for last place. Actually truly competitive people only see 1st place and not 1st place. There's no difference between last and second to last for them. oh really... that's weird I'm personally really competitive, and if I could've gotten higher then I actually performed, I'd seriously been pissed with myself. so ok If you aint first, you're last!
Well if not LAST LAST then I can make fun of the LAST LAST guy :DDDDDDDDD
or Last last last last last guy
:DDDDDD [note: I'm not saying I'd actually make fun of the guy who got owned all the games really. if you think I'd do that Uhhhhh Screw you.]
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On December 14 2011 06:59 raginglemon wrote:
I couldn't read through the entire thread, but this type of behavior is what will keep e-sports from becoming a mainstream contender. To those of you who can say "Well the match didn't matter, it's GOM's responsibility to make them play for something that matters."
Sorry, that's bullshit, it's the PLAYER'S responsibility to display what's called professionalism. You want to be a pro, ACT like one. You don't see this kind of behavior in other sports. And there are MANY meaningless games that are played in other sports. I'm talking about teams that are eliminated from the playoffs with plenty of games left in the season. Well those are meaningless games for those teams, but why do they play them? Because they're professionals, it's what they get paid to do. They play because there's a sense of personal pride, because they are competitors.
You would NEVER see a team in mainstream sports just not show up to the arena.
What Naniwa did was unprofessional, childish and very selfish. All he was thinking about was himself and it's really too bad that someone with all the skill in the world can behave in such a manner.
Actually your argument is pretty damn flawed. Most other sports that I assume you are speaking about (basketball, hockey, football, handegg, etc) the players are still getting paid. The reason they play is for money. In this case naniwa had nothing to gain, so he left.
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On December 14 2011 07:03 fush wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:47 DueSs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:44 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 06:39 fush wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. seriously? for the last game, he essentially walked into an exam room just to write his name down and walk out while handing the exam to the professor. if you think that's okay then there's not much i can say. I've done that multiple times. shit I just did that last wednesday for my Plant Pathology final. because the professor said the final doesn't hurt your grade, only improves it. I had a 94%. wrote my name, turned in blank exam. terrible analogy that actually HURTS your point. I, too, have had many, many classes where my GPA for the class was above a 98 and even with the failed exam I still received an A for the class. edit: @fush sounds like you're going to do wonders with that attitude in the professional world my friend. do only what's necessary for passing, never strive to do your best. and what's great is that you flaunt that "achievement" of yours as if it's a good thing, as if you've beat the system or something. not all people share these values i guess, and i'm not one to judge. however, on that note, enjoy mediocrity.
Have you ever had an office job? You're mercilessly punished for excellence because you become a threat to your boss.
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I hope GOM takes away the code S spot from Naniwa. This is the second tournament he's essentially given a FU to the organizers in the past month.
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On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game.
where it is obvious.
Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious.
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On December 14 2011 07:04 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:59 raginglemon wrote:
I couldn't read through the entire thread, but this type of behavior is what will keep e-sports from becoming a mainstream contender. To those of you who can say "Well the match didn't matter, it's GOM's responsibility to make them play for something that matters."
Sorry, that's bullshit, it's the PLAYER'S responsibility to display what's called professionalism. You want to be a pro, ACT like one. You don't see this kind of behavior in other sports. And there are MANY meaningless games that are played in other sports. I'm talking about teams that are eliminated from the playoffs with plenty of games left in the season. Well those are meaningless games for those teams, but why do they play them? Because they're professionals, it's what they get paid to do. They play because there's a sense of personal pride, because they are competitors.
You would NEVER see a team in mainstream sports just not show up to the arena.
What Naniwa did was unprofessional, childish and very selfish. All he was thinking about was himself and it's really too bad that someone with all the skill in the world can behave in such a manner. Actually your argument is pretty damn flawed. Most other sports that I assume you are speaking about (basketball, hockey, football, handegg, etc) the players are still getting paid. The reason they play is for money. In this case naniwa had nothing to gain, so he left.
I'm guessing you've never played organized sport. You play the entire regular season so that you can play in the playoffs for a chance to win the ultimate prize. You do realize that none of the athletes get paid to play in the playoffs... If money is the only driving factor here, then nobody would want to play in the playoffs.
The reason the players continue to play is because they have pride in themselves, and their teammates. Based on your argument, it would be even MORE advantageous for the players to just quit. Why risk injury to play out the rest of the season if they're already getting paid?
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On December 14 2011 07:07 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game. where it is obvious. Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious.
So would it have been okay if he had proxy 2 gated or cannon rushed?
are people mad at him because he chose the wrong cheese?
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On December 14 2011 07:04 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:03 fush wrote:On December 14 2011 06:47 DueSs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:44 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 06:39 fush wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. seriously? for the last game, he essentially walked into an exam room just to write his name down and walk out while handing the exam to the professor. if you think that's okay then there's not much i can say. I've done that multiple times. shit I just did that last wednesday for my Plant Pathology final. because the professor said the final doesn't hurt your grade, only improves it. I had a 94%. wrote my name, turned in blank exam. terrible analogy that actually HURTS your point. I, too, have had many, many classes where my GPA for the class was above a 98 and even with the failed exam I still received an A for the class. edit: @fush sounds like you're going to do wonders with that attitude in the professional world my friend. do only what's necessary for passing, never strive to do your best. and what's great is that you flaunt that "achievement" of yours as if it's a good thing, as if you've beat the system or something. not all people share these values i guess, and i'm not one to judge. however, on that note, enjoy mediocrity. Have you ever had an office job? You're mercilessly punished for excellence because you become a threat to your boss.
at least we can both agree that THAT is a terrible thing.
and no, i'm a scientist. i don't work an office job and am not punished for doing more than what is needed.
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When a sports team gets mathematically knocked out of the playoffs, they still play on for their fans. This shouldn't be any different. They still play to the absolute best of their abilities. It's definitely wrong of naniwa to throw a game like this. If he had proxy 2gated or 4/5gate allined, or just did some random 2base blink allin, I'd be completely fine with it. But using a strategy with zero chance of success, it's not right.
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On December 14 2011 07:08 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:07 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game. where it is obvious. Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious. So would it have been okay if he had proxy 2 gated or cannon rushed? are people mad at him because he chose the wrong cheese?
at least proxy 2 gate and cannon rushes work compared to worker rushing
worker rushing imo isn't even cheese, it's... ...
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On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game.
No, a 12 drone rush is infinitely more viable than a probe rush, don't even try and compare the two. Especially since one was done on steppes of war and Idra won games against good players back then doing the 12 drone rush.
What Stephano did was wrong, but it wasn't anywhere near as big as what Naniwa did. You also have to remember that Stephano is known as a friendly guy, while Naniwa is a repeat offender and apparently not the easiest person to work with behind the scenes either.
If you're talking about MLG I'm pretty sure it got cleared up that Idra was watching Huk's games and didn't realize he was supposed to play, although I could be wrong.
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On December 14 2011 07:08 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:07 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game. where it is obvious. Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious. So would it have been okay if he had proxy 2 gated or cannon rushed? are people mad at him because he chose the wrong cheese?
it would have been better.
If you do not see the difference there, you are either playing dumb or just plain dumb.
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On December 14 2011 07:08 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:07 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game. where it is obvious. Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious. So would it have been okay if he had proxy 2 gated or cannon rushed? are people mad at him because he chose the wrong cheese?
Yes.
They wanted him to not care, but not not care so much. The logic is about as coherent as that sentence.
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