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Didn't Nestea send drones toward Nani in a match or two on Tal'Darim? Everyone defended Nestea against Nani's criticism. Now Nani sends probes and everyone attacks him.
When Nestea does it, it's okay.
When Nani does it, hate all over.
Stay classy TL
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On December 14 2011 07:08 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:07 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game. where it is obvious. Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious. So would it have been okay if he had proxy 2 gated or cannon rushed? are people mad at him because he chose the wrong cheese?
yes it would have been okay if he had tried a proper canon rush or proxy 2gate. What he did wasn't a cheese. A cheese has a chance of winning. This didn't have a chance. You can't just call everything cheese, even cheese has pride (and a definition)
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On December 14 2011 07:10 Dakure wrote:
Didn't Nestea send drones toward Nani in a match or two on Tal'Darim? Everyone defended Nestea against Nani's criticism. Now Nani sends probes and everyone attacks him.
When Nestea does it, it's okay.
When Nani does it, hate all over.
Stay classy TL
because 6pool + drone rush is an actual ZvP cheese strategy.
a probe rush isn't one. Furthermore, Naniwa also admited that he didn't do it because he wanted to cheese Nestea but he wanted to lose asap.
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LOL! Quantic hyped up the match on twitter before it happened? That is fucking hilarious. Rude wake-up call for QxG.
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On December 14 2011 07:10 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:08 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 07:07 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:25 PoOxZ wrote:
The tournament shouldn't force players that are already eliminated to play. Naniwa should have cannon rushed, or 3 gate proxy, the game would be over quick and you would all still be complaining.
"you would all still be complaining" lol nope. those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever) however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game. where it is obvious. Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious. So would it have been okay if he had proxy 2 gated or cannon rushed? are people mad at him because he chose the wrong cheese? at least proxy 2 gate and cannon rushes work compared to worker rushing worker rushing imo isn't even cheese, it's... ...
idn man, proxy gate and cannon rush vs zerg are pretty bad.... and saying if he did another cheese it woulda been better undermines your argument.
You can't select which low % cheeses are ok and which aren't.
which is why the issue should be in the format not the player. any sort of "bare minimum" effort rule would be completely arbitrary.
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On December 14 2011 07:13 On_Slaught wrote:
LOL! Quantic hyped up the match on twitter before it happened? That is fucking hilarious. Rude wake-up call for QxG.
Yeah, and then they were like "errrrrrr"
and then JP retweeted their hype tweet.
On December 14 2011 07:13 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:10 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:08 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 07:07 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:On December 14 2011 06:28 zhurai wrote:
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"you would all still be complaining"
lol nope.
those are unfortunately actually part of the game, and things people use to win. if nestea couldn't hold those then that's his fault for not knowing (note: I'm a nestea fan... so... whatever)
however worker rushing.... Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last? People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing. "I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game. where it is obvious. Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious. So would it have been okay if he had proxy 2 gated or cannon rushed? are people mad at him because he chose the wrong cheese? at least proxy 2 gate and cannon rushes work compared to worker rushing worker rushing imo isn't even cheese, it's... ... idn man, proxy gate and cannon rush vs zerg are pretty bad.... and saying if he did another cheese it woulda been better undermines your argument. You can't select which low % cheeses are ok and which aren't. which is why the issue should be in the format not the player. any sort of "bare minimum" effort rule would be completely arbitrary.
Better chances than worker rush, which has a pretty much nonexistant winrate out of bronze
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On December 14 2011 07:10 Dakure wrote:
Didn't Nestea send drones toward Nani in a match or two on Tal'Darim? Everyone defended Nestea against Nani's criticism. Now Nani sends probes and everyone attacks him.
When Nestea does it, it's okay.
When Nani does it, hate all over.
Stay classy TL
I can't tell if you're trolling or not. In neither game did Nestea drone rush Naniwa, he faked him out into thinking he was all-inning, you know, like a legitimate strategy and not a child throwing a temper tantrum?
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On December 14 2011 07:12 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:10 Dakure wrote:
Didn't Nestea send drones toward Nani in a match or two on Tal'Darim? Everyone defended Nestea against Nani's criticism. Now Nani sends probes and everyone attacks him.
When Nestea does it, it's okay.
When Nani does it, hate all over.
Stay classy TL because 6pool + drone rush is an actual ZvP cheese strategy. a probe rush isn't one. Furthermore, Naniwa also admited that he didn't do it because he wanted to cheese Nestea but he wanted to lose asap.
probe rush> 6 pool
so like, it is a cheese.
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On December 14 2011 07:15 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:12 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:10 Dakure wrote:
Didn't Nestea send drones toward Nani in a match or two on Tal'Darim? Everyone defended Nestea against Nani's criticism. Now Nani sends probes and everyone attacks him.
When Nestea does it, it's okay.
When Nani does it, hate all over.
Stay classy TL because 6pool + drone rush is an actual ZvP cheese strategy. a probe rush isn't one. Furthermore, Naniwa also admited that he didn't do it because he wanted to cheese Nestea but he wanted to lose asap. probe rush> 6 pool so like, it is a cheese.
Um.... What
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On December 14 2011 07:14 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:13 On_Slaught wrote:
LOL! Quantic hyped up the match on twitter before it happened? That is fucking hilarious. Rude wake-up call for QxG. Yeah, and then they were like "errrrrrr" and then JP retweeted their hype tweet. Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:13 stokes17 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:10 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:08 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 07:07 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:34 PoOxZ wrote:
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Thats the point, nestea can easily hold those, and Naniwa doesn't care about winning a pointless game obviously. I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately. Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?
People are angry but Naniwa will play amazing games again and be competetive in tournaments again. All this hate for a match that means nothing.
"I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately." Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_- "Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?" if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win. edit: On December 14 2011 06:37 Tantaburs wrote:
To the people saying that professional sports teams still play all their games even if they are out.
Naniwa played all of his games. You could make this argument if Nani had not shown up to the last game but you can't punish him for playing a strategy that you don't like. you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ... Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game. where it is obvious. Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious. So would it have been okay if he had proxy 2 gated or cannon rushed? are people mad at him because he chose the wrong cheese? at least proxy 2 gate and cannon rushes work compared to worker rushing worker rushing imo isn't even cheese, it's... ... idn man, proxy gate and cannon rush vs zerg are pretty bad.... and saying if he did another cheese it woulda been better undermines your argument. You can't select which low % cheeses are ok and which aren't. which is why the issue should be in the format not the player. any sort of "bare minimum" effort rule would be completely arbitrary. Better chances than worker rush, which has a pretty much nonexistant winrate out of bronze
Probe rush beats 6 pool just like proxy gate only beats hatch 1st....
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On December 14 2011 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Nani plays full game, loses.
Reaction: lololol, naniwa can't even beat a nestea that is in a slump.
Nani plays full game. wins.
Reaction: doesn't count, nestea is in a slump, and is probably tilting.
Nani plays cheese game, wins.
Reaction: Naniwa can only win with cheesy strategy, and Nestea is slumping.
Nani plays cheese game. loses.
Reaction: Gawd, why the fuck is naniwa so fucking cheesy?
There really is no winning for Naniwa in this match.... Only lesser of evils.
He brought it on himself and yes life is full of choosing lesser evils quit pretending naniwa is a child despite acting like one
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On December 14 2011 07:15 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:15 stokes17 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:12 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:10 Dakure wrote:
Didn't Nestea send drones toward Nani in a match or two on Tal'Darim? Everyone defended Nestea against Nani's criticism. Now Nani sends probes and everyone attacks him.
When Nestea does it, it's okay.
When Nani does it, hate all over.
Stay classy TL because 6pool + drone rush is an actual ZvP cheese strategy. a probe rush isn't one. Furthermore, Naniwa also admited that he didn't do it because he wanted to cheese Nestea but he wanted to lose asap. probe rush> 6 pool so like, it is a cheese. Um.... What
6 probes>5 drones, so you'd beat a 6 pool. maybe depends when you get to the base
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On December 14 2011 07:15 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:14 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:13 On_Slaught wrote:
LOL! Quantic hyped up the match on twitter before it happened? That is fucking hilarious. Rude wake-up call for QxG. Yeah, and then they were like "errrrrrr" and then JP retweeted their hype tweet. On December 14 2011 07:13 stokes17 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:10 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:08 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 07:07 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:
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"I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately."
Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_-
"Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?"
if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win.
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you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ...
Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game. where it is obvious. Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious. So would it have been okay if he had proxy 2 gated or cannon rushed? are people mad at him because he chose the wrong cheese? at least proxy 2 gate and cannon rushes work compared to worker rushing worker rushing imo isn't even cheese, it's... ... idn man, proxy gate and cannon rush vs zerg are pretty bad.... and saying if he did another cheese it woulda been better undermines your argument. You can't select which low % cheeses are ok and which aren't. which is why the issue should be in the format not the player. any sort of "bare minimum" effort rule would be completely arbitrary. Better chances than worker rush, which has a pretty much nonexistant winrate out of bronze Probe rush beats 6 pool just like proxy gate only beats hatch 1st....
if naniwa thought that nestea would 6pool him, then sure, it'll be a metagaming move. but naniwa wanted to lose asap, and not care. so no.
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i am honestly way less of a naniwa fan after watching that happen. its rediculous and he should be punished. You know why he should be? because if he gets away with it then everyone will start doing this whenever they feel matches don't matter and it's just going to get worse. worse for the sponsors, worse for the viewers, worse for esports.
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On December 14 2011 07:16 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:15 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:15 stokes17 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:12 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:10 Dakure wrote:
Didn't Nestea send drones toward Nani in a match or two on Tal'Darim? Everyone defended Nestea against Nani's criticism. Now Nani sends probes and everyone attacks him.
When Nestea does it, it's okay.
When Nani does it, hate all over.
Stay classy TL because 6pool + drone rush is an actual ZvP cheese strategy. a probe rush isn't one. Furthermore, Naniwa also admited that he didn't do it because he wanted to cheese Nestea but he wanted to lose asap. probe rush> 6 pool so like, it is a cheese. Um.... What 6 probes>5 drones, so you'd beat a 6 pool. maybe depends when you get to the base
or you could like, move your drones around your hatch until your lings pop, which then you'd have more units than him?
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Wow Nani really burning bridges whenever he can. Im kinda worry for him.
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On December 14 2011 07:15 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:14 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:13 On_Slaught wrote:
LOL! Quantic hyped up the match on twitter before it happened? That is fucking hilarious. Rude wake-up call for QxG. Yeah, and then they were like "errrrrrr" and then JP retweeted their hype tweet. On December 14 2011 07:13 stokes17 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:10 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:08 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 07:07 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:37 zhurai wrote:
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"I'm also a nestea fan but he has disappointed me so often lately."
Same, but I mean, he's still trying. also apparently that day/today was his birthday or something from what I understand? idk... -_-
"Its a tournaments of champions so I understand they want all the games to be played. As a player though are you going to care if you win and tie 2nd last or lose and tie for last?"
if you really were _competitive_... you would still want to win.
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you're calling worker rushing a strategy. um.. worker rushing ...
Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes. Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game. where it is obvious. Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious. So would it have been okay if he had proxy 2 gated or cannon rushed? are people mad at him because he chose the wrong cheese? at least proxy 2 gate and cannon rushes work compared to worker rushing worker rushing imo isn't even cheese, it's... ... idn man, proxy gate and cannon rush vs zerg are pretty bad.... and saying if he did another cheese it woulda been better undermines your argument. You can't select which low % cheeses are ok and which aren't. which is why the issue should be in the format not the player. any sort of "bare minimum" effort rule would be completely arbitrary. Better chances than worker rush, which has a pretty much nonexistant winrate out of bronze Probe rush beats 6 pool just like proxy gate only beats hatch 1st....
So using a bad strategy in Korea actually means you are disrespectful to them and should be banned from GomTV's tournaments... Lol stupid people on TL.
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On December 14 2011 07:18 Xiron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:15 stokes17 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:14 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:13 On_Slaught wrote:
LOL! Quantic hyped up the match on twitter before it happened? That is fucking hilarious. Rude wake-up call for QxG. Yeah, and then they were like "errrrrrr" and then JP retweeted their hype tweet. On December 14 2011 07:13 stokes17 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:10 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:08 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 07:07 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:01 Tantaburs wrote:On December 14 2011 06:50 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 06:49 Tantaburs wrote:
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Worker rushing is a strategey. Not a very good one but a strategey. I remeber when the 12 drone rush was a good build on Steppes.
Unless you can find a GSL rule that says you can't worker rush then this thread is pointless 12 drone rush is different, the timings on steppes of war line up that the drones get there before you can get a walloff up random drone rush on random maps in this metagame don't work unless you don't have a brain or don't know that your workers can attack And a probe rush beats a 6 pool. Yes Nani knew he was going to lose but you can't ban someone for doing a build you don't like. As has been said in this thread and tweeted by HuK. Stephano 6 pooled cloud twice when the games mattered Had cloud not won then the standings would have been changed. Stephano got no hate for this because apparently 6 pooling a terran is acceptable but probe rushing warrants a ban. IdrA has walked away for tournament but apparently forfieting is okay but probe rushing isn't. Nani didn't do anything outside of the rules he didn't want to play the game so he probe rushed. If he had gone for a double gateway in nesteas vision would that have been okay. What about 2 expansions before a gateway.where do you draw the line on what you can and can't do in a game. where it is obvious. Naniwa even said that he did this on purpose because he did not want to play. That alone makes it obvious. So would it have been okay if he had proxy 2 gated or cannon rushed? are people mad at him because he chose the wrong cheese? at least proxy 2 gate and cannon rushes work compared to worker rushing worker rushing imo isn't even cheese, it's... ... idn man, proxy gate and cannon rush vs zerg are pretty bad.... and saying if he did another cheese it woulda been better undermines your argument. You can't select which low % cheeses are ok and which aren't. which is why the issue should be in the format not the player. any sort of "bare minimum" effort rule would be completely arbitrary. Better chances than worker rush, which has a pretty much nonexistant winrate out of bronze Probe rush beats 6 pool just like proxy gate only beats hatch 1st.... So using a bad strategy in Korea actually means you are disrespectful to them and should be banned from GomTV's tournaments... Lol stupid people on TL.
so where exactly did I say that naniwa should be banned?
should I call you stupid for not having reading comprehension?
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On December 14 2011 07:17 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:16 stokes17 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:15 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:15 stokes17 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:12 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:10 Dakure wrote:
Didn't Nestea send drones toward Nani in a match or two on Tal'Darim? Everyone defended Nestea against Nani's criticism. Now Nani sends probes and everyone attacks him.
When Nestea does it, it's okay.
When Nani does it, hate all over.
Stay classy TL because 6pool + drone rush is an actual ZvP cheese strategy. a probe rush isn't one. Furthermore, Naniwa also admited that he didn't do it because he wanted to cheese Nestea but he wanted to lose asap. probe rush> 6 pool so like, it is a cheese. Um.... What 6 probes>5 drones, so you'd beat a 6 pool. maybe depends when you get to the base or you could like, move your drones around your hatch until your lings pop, which then you'd have more units than him?
maybe, depends how much you mined b4 the probes arrived, 5 drones take a while to mine the 150 for the pool, might not even have enough for 2 lings .
Point being- you can't fault a player for how he played
But you can fault a Tourni format that puts players in a position to not try "their best" whatever their best may be
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On December 14 2011 07:20 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 07:17 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:16 stokes17 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:15 zhurai wrote:On December 14 2011 07:15 stokes17 wrote:On December 14 2011 07:12 Big J wrote:On December 14 2011 07:10 Dakure wrote:
Didn't Nestea send drones toward Nani in a match or two on Tal'Darim? Everyone defended Nestea against Nani's criticism. Now Nani sends probes and everyone attacks him.
When Nestea does it, it's okay.
When Nani does it, hate all over.
Stay classy TL because 6pool + drone rush is an actual ZvP cheese strategy. a probe rush isn't one. Furthermore, Naniwa also admited that he didn't do it because he wanted to cheese Nestea but he wanted to lose asap. probe rush> 6 pool so like, it is a cheese. Um.... What 6 probes>5 drones, so you'd beat a 6 pool. maybe depends when you get to the base or you could like, move your drones around your hatch until your lings pop, which then you'd have more units than him? maybe, depends how much you mined b4 the probes arrived, 5 drones take a while to mine the 150 for the pool, might not even have enough for 2 lings . Point being- you can't fault a player for how he played But you can fault a Tourni format that puts players in a position to not try "their best" whatever their best may be
I agree with the tournament format being shitty
but the players not being competitive is imo very frowned upon.
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