On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
you can turn it how you want, your questions are hurtful and disrespectful. I mean just a question like "How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? " Wtf? It's his damned job
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
where do you work? at "Blick am abend"??? You want to justify those hurtful questions with "independant journalism"? Those are at most paparazzi questions.
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
"Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful?" What kind of a question is that? What do you even expect him to reply to that question with? That is such an unsubtly veiled insult, try to emphasise a little with the person you're interrogating.
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
Lol dude. a few of these questionsare EXTREMELY hurtful and aggressive, AND show no research behind them. And admittedly, when u look at them again, the rest aren't too bad, but they are very blunt, and not very informative, or well put forward (language barrier possibly). It almost seems like the type of article that you are wanting to write from these questions would be intentionally misleading, and would make you get insta-blocked for any other korean gamer article.
Also, on the aspect of North South, he might have an opinion on it, but I don't think gamers are quite at the level necessary to be able to show support for individual causes and still maintain their support base. If he answers that "I think NK is very huggable and conscription is useless" there could be serious repercussions.
Questions like the ones you are asking are the type of questions designed to aggravate responses and to be honest are sensationalist journalism. Take your tabloid stuff elsewhere.
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
I think the problem is less of the questions being hurtful, but that half of the ones you've listed are to put it gently--retarded. If you want to talk about good journalism, then the asking of provocative questions should be meaningful. A question like, "How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game?" is not only highly unlikely to garner a good response, but also showcases a narrow-mindedness on the part of the interviewer bordering on ignorance. A smarter way to phrase it would be, "Professional gaming is gaining ground as a career, but it's still far from being as accepted by society as a traditional office job. How fast do you think e-sports will gain ground in that regard, and what would be your reasoning behind why you decided to spend your youth pursuing such a risky endeavour?"
What you've listed may touch on deep and complicated topics, but they are not deep and complicated questions. The questions about Korean reunification just make me want to slam my head into a table because A. Nestea is a progamer not a politician and B. 99% chance he'll give the generic response that he hopes for reunification but there are a lot of challenges to clear in order to achieve it. I mean really now, take a moment and consider how nonsensical a question about what he thinks of South Korea playing video games while North Korea starves really is. While you're at it you should arbitrarily ask him what he feels about North Korea dying while South Koreans eat kimchi. Don't stop there either, ask him how he feels about playing SC2 while your neighbor just kicked your dog. Just because both countries are "Korea" doesn't mean every single topic can be sensibly linked together. As for an interest in gaming, I think North Korea might have it once they have any games to play and don't have to worry about where to get their next meal.
On December 21 2011 18:56 Hardigan wrote: where do you work? at "Blick am abend"??? You want to justify those hurtful questions with "independant journalism"? Those are at most paparazzi questions.
No, I do not and I never will work at BaA. I don't like the colors and I don't like the content
Folks, I do respect we are all gamers here, but gaming is nothing but amusement for the people. Like popmusic, like wrestling, like tv series, like comic books etc... You could kind of argue that it's a form of "art", but seriously? I really would like to know what the korean progamers think about their "jobs". How they justify choosing gaming over an academic career studying law or economics in front of their families? I mean, that's a serious question. I'm thinking about that every time I play the game instead of doing something else. What's it for? In short: It's a waste of time.
And I truly think that all the eSports Interviews out there are simply frickin' boring. I stopped reading them a long time ago.
But we're derailing here, let's gather more questions, JP can choose the ones I want. We can discuss over PMs or, maybe, I'll write a blog sometime and then let's discuss there...
On December 21 2011 18:56 Hardigan wrote: where do you work? at "Blick am abend"??? You want to justify those hurtful questions with "independant journalism"? Those are at most paparazzi questions.
No, I do not and I never will work at BaA. I don't like the colors and I don't like the content
Folks, I do respect we are all gamers here, but gaming is nothing but amusement for the people. Like popmusic, like wrestling, like tv series, like comic books etc... You could kind of argue that it's a form of "art", but seriously? I really would like to know what the korean progamers think about their "jobs". How they justify choosing gaming over an academic career studying law or economics in front of their families? I mean, that's a serious question. I'm thinking about that every time I play the game instead of doing something else. What's it for? In short: It's a waste of time.
And I truly think that all the eSports Interviews out there are simply frickin' boring. I stopped reading them a long time ago.
But we're derailing here, let's gather more questions, JP can choose the ones I want. We can discuss over PMs or, maybe, I'll write a blog sometime and then let's discuss there...
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in?
On December 21 2011 19:22 pampelmus wrote: Folks, I do respect we are all gamers here, but gaming is nothing but amusement for the people. Like popmusic, like wrestling, like tv series, like comic books etc...
Like tourism, like fine restaurants, like pretty much half of jobs in the modern world, yes. How does that make a job less meaningful?
On December 21 2011 19:22 pampelmus wrote: You could kind of argue that it's a form of "art", but seriously? I really would like to know what the korean progamers think about their "jobs". How they justify choosing gaming over an academic career studying law or economics in front of their families? I mean, that's a serious question. I'm thinking about that every time I play the game instead of doing something else. What's it for? In short: It's a waste of time.
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"?
I think the problem is less of the questions being hurtful, but that half of the ones you've listed are to put it gently--retarded. If you want to talk about good journalism, then the asking of provocative questions should be meaningful. A question like, "How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game?" is not only highly unlikely to garner a good response, but also showcases a narrow-mindedness on the part of the interviewer bordering on ignorance. A smarter way to phrase it would be, "Professional gaming is gaining ground as a career, but it's still far from being as accepted by society as a traditional office job. How fast do you think e-sports will gain ground in that regard, and what would be your reasoning behind why you decided to spend your youth pursuing such a risky endeavour?"
Well, I didn't phrase them out perfectly. My english is pretty bad, and if I would do the Interview, I would prepare myself accordingly, investing like 2-3 hours to think about the question catalogue. I'm not doing the Interview. But your proposal for the question ist just public-relations-blah-blah.
What you've listed may touch on deep and complicated topics, but they are not deep and complicated questions. The questions about Korean reunification just make me want to slam my head into a table because A. Nestea is a progamer not a politician and B. 99% chance he'll give the generic response that he hopes for reunification but there are a lot of challenges to clear in order to achieve it. I mean really now, take a moment and consider how nonsensical a question about what he thinks of South Korea playing video games while North Korea starves really is. While you're at it you should arbitrarily ask him what he feels about North Korea dying while South Koreans eat kimchi. Don't stop there either, ask him how he feels about playing SC2 while your neighbor just kicked your dog. Just because both countries are "Korea" doesn't mean every single topic can be sensibly linked together. As for an interest in gaming, I think North Korea might have it once they have any games to play and don't have to worry about where to get their next meal.
Well, I have another opinion. I do think that think that a lot of topics can be linked together. And I am interested about what games think about the North. I mean, it affects their daily life. Seoul is not far from the border. The Army is a central part in every progamers life. etc....
On December 21 2011 18:56 Hardigan wrote: where do you work? at "Blick am abend"??? You want to justify those hurtful questions with "independant journalism"? Those are at most paparazzi questions.
No, I do not and I never will work at BaA. I don't like the colors and I don't like the content
Folks, I do respect we are all gamers here, but gaming is nothing but amusement for the people. Like popmusic, like wrestling, like tv series, like comic books etc... You could kind of argue that it's a form of "art", but seriously? I really would like to know what the korean progamers think about their "jobs". How they justify choosing gaming over an academic career studying law or economics in front of their families? I mean, that's a serious question. I'm thinking about that every time I play the game instead of doing something else. What's it for? In short: It's a waste of time.
And I truly think that all the eSports Interviews out there are simply frickin' boring. I stopped reading them a long time ago.
But we're derailing here, let's gather more questions, JP can choose the ones I want. We can discuss over PMs or, maybe, I'll write a blog sometime and then let's discuss there...
You insult the gaming community by insulting the hard work and achievements of all pro-gamers, you spit on the very act of playing games, on a portal for Starcraft 2. Also, in my opinion, you took a crap on all the esports content providers by calling interviews boring, which isn't surprising seeing that games are 'a waste of time'. No one needs to hear your opinions. You're either incredibly ignorant or a troll. You wish you were a journalist.
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in?
On December 21 2011 19:31 blackone wrote:
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"?
Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society.
But there area questions in this world (like: Is it worth wasting my time with playing a computer game or should I get good grades at the university?) that occupy myself. And therefore I'm wondering what people that I'm looking up to think about them. These were questions I would ask, don't claim that they would be interesting for everybody here.
I think the problem is less of the questions being hurtful, but that half of the ones you've listed are to put it gently--retarded. If you want to talk about good journalism, then the asking of provocative questions should be meaningful. A question like, "How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game?" is not only highly unlikely to garner a good response, but also showcases a narrow-mindedness on the part of the interviewer bordering on ignorance. A smarter way to phrase it would be, "Professional gaming is gaining ground as a career, but it's still far from being as accepted by society as a traditional office job. How fast do you think e-sports will gain ground in that regard, and what would be your reasoning behind why you decided to spend your youth pursuing such a risky endeavour?"
Well, I didn't phrase them out perfectly. My english is pretty bad, and if I would do the Interview, I would prepare myself accordingly, investing like 2-3 hours to think about the question catalogue. I'm not doing the Interview. But your proposal for the question ist just public-relations-blah-blah.
What you've listed may touch on deep and complicated topics, but they are not deep and complicated questions. The questions about Korean reunification just make me want to slam my head into a table because A. Nestea is a progamer not a politician and B. 99% chance he'll give the generic response that he hopes for reunification but there are a lot of challenges to clear in order to achieve it. I mean really now, take a moment and consider how nonsensical a question about what he thinks of South Korea playing video games while North Korea starves really is. While you're at it you should arbitrarily ask him what he feels about North Korea dying while South Koreans eat kimchi. Don't stop there either, ask him how he feels about playing SC2 while your neighbor just kicked your dog. Just because both countries are "Korea" doesn't mean every single topic can be sensibly linked together. As for an interest in gaming, I think North Korea might have it once they have any games to play and don't have to worry about where to get their next meal.
Well, I have another opinion. I do think that think that a lot of topics can be linked together. And I am interested about what games think about the North. I mean, it affects their daily life. Seoul is not far from the border. The Army is a central part in every progamers life. etc....
You completely ignored my point. North Korea is relevant to South Korea, but that's the case for every single person living there. Pro-gamers are no different from any other citizen in that regard because gaming is not a differentiating factor at all. You can ask a pro-gamer what they think and then any other person of a similar age and you'll likely get the same response. Nestea is no better equipped to answer such a question than any of my Korean friends are. Should I go ask them those questions for you?
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Similarly, you are on an internet forum when there's starving children in Africa... that's pretty much what you're saying... kind of...
On December 21 2011 19:39 lisward wrote: You insult the gaming community by insulting the hard work and achievements of all pro-gamers, you spit on the very act of playing games, on a portal for Starcraft 2. Also, in my opinion, you took a crap on all the esports content providers by calling interviews boring, which isn't surprising seeing that games are 'a waste of time'. No one needs to hear your opinions. You're either incredibly ignorant or a troll. You wish you were a journalist.
Dude, take it easy. Teamliquid.net is my daily site to go to. I spit on no one. I LOVE the content people here bring us in their free time. I BUY Nasl and GomTV passes. I disable my AdBlocker for TL.net. I do lots of voluntary work, not here on TL, but in my life.
If you don't want to hear my opinions, ignore them. JP asked for questions we find interesting, I wrote them down.
On December 21 2011 19:46 nalgene wrote: Similarly, you are on an internet forum when there's starving children in Africa... that's pretty much what you're saying... kind of...
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