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On December 21 2011 20:22 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +[B]On December 21 2011 19:41 pampelmus wrote On December 21 2011 19:28 Jeity wrote:
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in? On December 21 2011 19:31 blackone wrote:
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"? Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society. This argument is terrible. So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society. Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"? Please lighten up before you agressively post ignorant opinions that even many centuries ago people already knew were wrong. Nobody needs journalists who dont know what they talk about and only focus on catering to the baser human instincts. People will become dumber if the real information they learn has to compete with such bullcrap. And your attempt at excusing your offensive questions is just sad. If you want to shit on people, then do it, but claiming at the same time that you really dont is just hilarious and not something that you can decide or argument anyways. If you think for yourself playing is a waste of time, then you should maybe write a blog about it, not confront people who earn a fortune from playing.
Sports entertainment industry is a huge industry that rakes in big dollars every year, which means more money, more money means more jobs, which means big economic impact. The same can be said to a smaller extent to esports.
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Did you ever play Poker or Chess? How'd you like it?
Did you try 2v2 in SC2? Do you like it or not and why? Should there be 2v2 in SC2?
Couldn't you try to convince Reach to pick up SC2?
Where do you see Starcraft 2 in 5 years?
Do your skills as a progamer help to get a job in the private economy?
If you would describe your fellow progamers Nestea, MVP, Losira, Yoda, Fenix as an animal, which would you choose and why?
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On December 21 2011 20:30 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 20:22 perestain wrote:
This argument is terrible.
So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society.
Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"? Yeah... Now could discuss if this panem-et-circences-policy of the Roman emperors was "good" or "bad" or whatever.
It is not a matter of good or bad., and I doubt many people are interested in roman emperors.
The profound thing that can be learned is that society needs entertainment to be satisfied and stable. Otherwise people will have too much time on their hands to discover how much they are getting betrayed by the political/economical system and eventually rise up. No continuation of the status quo without entertainment.
tl dr: Sports = damn important
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A few questions come to mind:
- What things do you look for/appreciate from a good tournament? From both a players and spectators perspective?
- From your experience thus far, what should tournaments in general focus on improving for a better player/spectator experience?
- Overall, what has been your favorite tournament to have participated in 2011? What was your favorite series to play/watch in 2011?
- Any funny stories from the IM team house?
- Did you have any bad habits in-game early in your SC2 career that needed to be corrected?
- Can you teach the foreigner community how to swear in Korean?
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On December 21 2011 20:22 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +[B]On December 21 2011 19:41 pampelmus wrote On December 21 2011 19:28 Jeity wrote:
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in? On December 21 2011 19:31 blackone wrote:
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"? Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society. This argument is terrible. So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society. Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"? Please lighten up before you agressively post ignorant opinions that even many centuries ago people already knew were wrong. Nobody needs journalists who dont know what they talk about and only focus on catering to the baser human instincts. People will become dumber if the real information they learn has to compete with such bullcrap. And your attempt at excusing your offensive questions is just sad. If you want to shit on people, then do it, but claiming at the same time that you really dont is just hilarious and not something that you can decide or argument anyways. If you think for yourself playing is a waste of time, then you should maybe write a blog about it, not confront people who earn a fortune from playing.
Juvenal is not Julius Caesar.
Aside from that correction i actually agree with you. The relative worth and meaning of an occupation is something you can only decide for yourselve. I will spend my life teaching people (most likely) even if i could make far more money working as a lawyer, but for myself the lower income job is definitly the one where i am happier.
Could a pro gamer make more money, or spend his time better on another job? Certainly, but they seem to be happy with their decision.
If the poster you were quoting truly is a Journalist then i am appaled at the way he phrases his questions. They definitly are not phrased properly for a "friendly" interview.
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What do you think the future of your career is and what do you plan on doing after your sc years are over?
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What do you think of MULEs?
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On December 21 2011 20:30 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 20:22 perestain wrote:
This argument is terrible.
So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society.
Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"? Yeah... Now could discuss if this panem-et-circences-policy of the Roman emperors was "good" or "bad" or whatever. More questions! I'm really looking forward to the Interview. Let's stop being butthurt about me saying all you guys care about is pointless and let's actually think about stuff that would be interesting to ask the greatest SC2-Zerg of all time!
You seem to denigrate the pro-gamers as a profession and hold up other things as more honorable; I ask you to consider that pursuing your goals in life despite the negative perception (by people with your worldview) is in fact an honorable thing to do. We should all be pursuing our dreams. Be wary of giving your dreams a higher value than another person's.
As a journalist you should understand how important tone is in addition to the content of the question. Your tone on many of your posts in this thread is to denigrate a man's life work, something he is widely acclaimed for. It is understandable posters have reacted negatively to you. Your inability to see that is perplexing. If you had posed the question, "Do you think you'll ever have any regrets about becoming a pro-gamer?", that would have received less negative feedback, while getting at one of the same issues you were asking about. Instead you used inflammatory and negative phrasing.
I think asking NesTea about his non-SC2 life is also interesting, but I also believe your choice of questions was poorly worded. Just because your questions were not received well does not mean I only care about pointless things.
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On December 21 2011 20:13 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 20:08 Loooui wrote:
I work as a journalist in Sweden and I would never phrase the questions like you just did. The questions could be interesting, but asking them in a passive agressive form with your own subjective truths (meaningless job, wasting his best years) will never get good answers.
Also, could you imagine a world without sports, books, movies, art, games and music? Meaningful jobs would only be to serve the society? Maybe North-Korea would fit like a role model then. But I would surely hate it. Phrasing was bad, I know :-/ Yeah, I would hate it. But I live in Switzerland, one of the richest countries on Earth. I'm spoiled and wealthy.
Sounds like you're just an arrogant ass to be frank, I'll probably be warned for this post but whatever.
If you really want to know about the North and South Korean conflicts just read up on the history of them and then more recent events.
User was warned for this post
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Thank you for doing this interview JP.
1) Please ask MVP: Why do Terran players not build Ravens in TvZ that often to more easily kill creep and protect against burrowed banelings? Do they just get sniped by mutalisks too easily, or is there no place in most build orders for it?
2) To both: In interviews with Korean programers (especially MC), many of them talk talk about practicing with players from other teams for match ups in the GSL, and how they buy food for each other. MC has noted a few times that he is friends with many programers, and MVP usually lists 5-10 other players that have helped him practice for his latest GSL game. It seems like Korean progaming culture is a very close knit community among the players beyond their teams. First, is this accurate, or do players naturally tend to be closer friends with their teams? Second, if it is, why do you think that is?
This question might seem pointless, but in some other threads there has been discussion about how the financial value seems to be a great motivator for a lot of players (deservedly so), but just having a financial or competitive motivator does not necessarily create friends outside of a team. The Korean programers seem to all be very friendly with each other regardless of whether they win or lose against each other.
3) To both: Despite not using it often, it seems like many Koreans are able to understand and speak some English. Is English more/less/neutral popular for programers compared to the general Korean population? Do teams push players to learn English to make them more marketable towards foreign fans?
4) To both: Among the foreign community, a lot of figures have come out saying that changing your gamer tag too often is not good for your marketability among fans since they may have more difficulty rooting for players or getting to know their styles. Korean gamers seem to change their gaming tags quite often. Why is that the case? Do Korean fans care less about the gaming tag? Have Korean players considered that foreign fans are more familiar with the gaming tag rather than the players' actual names, or is that not a factor?
5) To Nestea: Is he aware that he is Artosis's favorite player, and does he know about all of the feats that Artosis attributes to him (including apparently all of us just being part of his dream)?
6) To MVP: What does he think of his nickname, "The Game Genie Terran"?
7) To MVP: This isn't really a question, but I remember reading an interview with MVP where he says that he does not have many fans (I assume because he wins too much and people like underdogs), but I wanted to let him know that he has a lot of foreign fans, and despite my affinity for Protoss he is my favorite player. MVP fighting! ^_^
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On December 24 2011 15:56 flowSthead wrote:
Thank you for doing this interview JP.
1) Please ask MVP: Why do Terran players not build Ravens in TvZ that often to more easily kill creep and protect against burrowed banelings? Do they just get sniped by mutalisks too easily, or is there no place in most build orders for it?
It drives me crazy every time casters complain about this.
Most people don't know that the Raven only has a detection radius of 9 (despite its vision of 11). Observers and Overseers have detection range 11, which makes superior as mobile detectors.
So even if you put your Raven at the front of your army, the area it detects is only (1/2) Pi*9^2 = 40.5*pi squares. In reality you will want to keep your Raven further back so it doesn't get sniped, which reduces its effective detection radius even further.
Scan has a radius of 13. It can't be killed or denied like a Raven, and by not using MULEs you extend the life of your mineral patches. And because you can plop it anywhere on the map, you get detection of the full diameter. Pi*13^2 = 169*pi squares.
So scan covers 4x the amount of area compared to the Raven. Another thing is that if you have good reason to fear baneling landmines, chances are pretty high that the Zerg army is nearby. Its pretty rare for a Zerg to send 2 Banelings alone cross map. But it is common to burrow 2 banelings from a massive Ling/Bling ball while roaming about the map. In that scenario you want to scan ahead to spot the army anyway; catching the baneling landmines is just a nice bonus.
The infastructure costs (Starport+tech lab) are not that big of a deal. The problem is with the Raven is itself as a unit: in large numbers they are extremely powerful, but in small numbers they get sniped too easily. Unlike in TvT and TvP, PDD is not very useful in TvZ, you can only use it on Mutas. Autoturret slow pushing is great vs Zerg, but you can't do that with just 1 Raven.
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On December 24 2011 17:11 RoboBob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 15:56 flowSthead wrote:
Thank you for doing this interview JP.
1) Please ask MVP: Why do Terran players not build Ravens in TvZ that often to more easily kill creep and protect against burrowed banelings? Do they just get sniped by mutalisks too easily, or is there no place in most build orders for it? It drives me crazy every time casters complain about this. Most people don't know that the Raven only has a detection radius of 9 (despite its vision of 11). Observers and Overseers have detection range 11, which makes superior as mobile detectors.
I just tested this. It isn't true and I have no idea where you would have got this notion.
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Whatever questions you ask, please ask many in depth strategic questions.
Also you can ask MVP how his wrist problems affected his play.
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On December 22 2011 03:56 Dante_A_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 20:30 pampelmus wrote:On December 21 2011 20:22 perestain wrote:
This argument is terrible.
So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society.
Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"? Yeah... Now could discuss if this panem-et-circences-policy of the Roman emperors was "good" or "bad" or whatever. More questions! I'm really looking forward to the Interview. Let's stop being butthurt about me saying all you guys care about is pointless and let's actually think about stuff that would be interesting to ask the greatest SC2-Zerg of all time! You seem to denigrate the pro-gamers as a profession and hold up other things as more honorable; I ask you to consider that pursuing your goals in life despite the negative perception (by people with your worldview) is in fact an honorable thing to do. We should all be pursuing our dreams. Be wary of giving your dreams a higher value than another person's. As a journalist you should understand how important tone is in addition to the content of the question. Your tone on many of your posts in this thread is to denigrate a man's life work, something he is widely acclaimed for. It is understandable posters have reacted negatively to you. Your inability to see that is perplexing. If you had posed the question, "Do you think you'll ever have any regrets about becoming a pro-gamer?", that would have received less negative feedback, while getting at one of the same issues you were asking about. Instead you used inflammatory and negative phrasing. I think asking NesTea about his non-SC2 life is also interesting, but I also believe your choice of questions was poorly worded. Just because your questions were not received well does not mean I only care about pointless things.
I think that suggestion was practically trolling. What I got out of it was "Hey let's invite the best SC2 progamers to date on our show about progaming and then tell them that progaming is a waste of time!" I thought it was kind of funny
Thing is though, even if you wanted to turn it into a real question that would be appropriate for the interview, it's kind of a cliche. I wouldn't be surprised if you could already find an interview where they respond to stereotypes about gamers/parents reaction to gaming etc. etc.
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I have one question!
Do the guests believe that another game will ever replace Starcraft as the leading competitive rts?
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On December 24 2011 17:43 Severian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 17:11 RoboBob wrote:On December 24 2011 15:56 flowSthead wrote:
Thank you for doing this interview JP.
1) Please ask MVP: Why do Terran players not build Ravens in TvZ that often to more easily kill creep and protect against burrowed banelings? Do they just get sniped by mutalisks too easily, or is there no place in most build orders for it? It drives me crazy every time casters complain about this. Most people don't know that the Raven only has a detection radius of 9 (despite its vision of 11). Observers and Overseers have detection range 11, which makes superior as mobile detectors. I just tested this. It isn't true and I have no idea where you would have got this notion.
Huh. You're right, thanks. I wonder when they fixed that, I don't remember seeing a patch note.
I checked liquipedia, and its listed as range 9 instead of 11 there too: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Raven_(Unit)
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Ask Nestea and MVP about Goody.
MVP might not know of him, but Nestea lost to him in TSL3.
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Dunno if someone else said it but I have a question for both.
Was there one moment when you realized you actually could play Starcraft for a living and when/why was that
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In North America it would be considered a folly to sacrifice your schooling to pursue professional gaming. (ie: Leenock) Do you have any opinion on this and do you think there are any long term effects from a choice like this?
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