Artosis has always been our entry-point to the Korean scene on State of the Game, but coming up this week we are incredibly happy to announce the Incredible Miracle's very own Nestea and MVP (with translation by Hwanni) will be joining myself, iNcontroL, and Artosis for a Q&A session.
The date and time are still being ironed out, but it will be a live production on the MLG.tv stream. This heavily revolves around when or if Nestea and MVP are eliminated from the upcoming Blizzard Cup. Details will be posted as soon as I know.
Please remember that because Nestea and MVP are our guests, we will have to stick with whatever time they are comfortable and available. This means that it might be very late at night for the U.S. audience. Don't worry, I'll have it posted very quickly after going off air.
The reason I wanted to get the information out there so early is because we're going to be taking community questions from TeamLiquid.net and /r/Starcraft. Please post your questions in this thread and we'll go through and choose a handful from each site.
I'd like to ask them if their practice is structured specifically toward the GSL format and if they think it makes foreign tournaments more difficult due to the drastic change in format.
What I would really like to know is what do they think the differences are between BW and SC2 that have enabled them to be the best at SC2, when that was not the case in BW? Is the difference in the overall level of skill of the current progamers (ie, the scene is not as developed as BW) or are there differences in gameplay that play more to their strengths as players?
On December 12 2011 13:59 Loki57 wrote: Ask MVP to finally settle the mech debate for Artosis!
He did. IIRC, he said he disagrees with Artosis that mech is the only way to play, and that mech and bio are both fine because they both transition to sky-terran.
I echo the 'question' someone posted above - we need to let NesTea know how much Artosis loves him. XD
On December 12 2011 13:59 Loki57 wrote: Ask MVP to finally settle the mech debate for Artosis!
He did. IIRC, he said he disagrees with Artosis that mech is the only way to play, and that mech and bio are both fine because they both transition to sky-terran.
I echo the 'question' someone posted above - we need to let NesTea know how much Artosis loves him. XD
That was more tailored to TvT though I just want to see what his thoughts on mech in TvP would be!
This will be a special one-off episode. The drunk episode is still going to happen. Will announce the special 40,000 viewer treat once I talk with Artosis.
Squee. Time to drop Skyrim for a few hours then I suppose o___o
Thank you, JP!
Edit: Forgot to put in a question ^^''
I want to ask both of them how they feel SC2 as an Esport is progressing so far and what they would like to see happen in the future to make it grow even more successful.
To both: What do you feel are the most effective ways to practice? How do you feel about the progress of Sc2 in Korea, and what do you think about it's future? Do you still enjoy playing the game? What other kinds of games do you play? Many Koreans have started to stream their ladder games for the fans recently, is this somewhat of a possibility for either of you in the future? Did you have any sort of personal struggles on your path to becoming a professional player in BW and Sc2?
To Mvp: Artosis has said recently stated that more Terran's should be experimenting with mech against Protoss more because of how powerful mech armies can get in the late game. What are your thought on Mech vs. Protoss?
To Nestea: Do you feel that you approach professional gaming different now as opposed to when you first started out in regards to mechanics and strategy? In your opinion, what is the most difficult Zerg matchup and why?
On December 12 2011 13:59 Loki57 wrote: Ask MVP to finally settle the mech debate for Artosis!
He did. IIRC, he said he disagrees with Artosis that mech is the only way to play, and that mech and bio are both fine because they both transition to sky-terran.
I echo the 'question' someone posted above - we need to let NesTea know how much Artosis loves him. XD
That's not what he said at all. He said that he believes Bio to be superior, especially on larger maps.
Wowowowow... this was hinted sometime ago, but so awesome that it's true!!!
My questions to MVP: - Does he consider himself an innovator or does he mainly imitate successful builds/style from other players? In addition, how does he divide his time between researching and learning new styles compared with practicing and perfecting existing builds / styles? - Who does he consider his rivals for the coming year? This could be existing SC2 players or BW pros.
My questions to Nestea: - Nestea has been known as the "detective zerg". Does he spend alot of time researching the playstyles of his opponents? Or does he prefer to play in a solid style and has a keen eye for tells from his opponents during the game? - As an older gamer, does he act as a mentor to the younger players in the IM team?
Question for Nestea: Nestea was pretty vocal about the state of zerg previously when artosis interviewed him. It would be good if he can tell everyone what he thinks about the current state of zerg as honestly as he can.
1) How much did your practice regimen change between Brood War and SC2? More specifically, which aspects of the game did you focus more or less on between the two games?
2) How do you mentally prepare for upcoming big-stage matches? Do you have a certain 'ritual' that you follow?
3) How does it feel to be the highest earning and highest achieving StarCraft 2 player on the planet? Is satisfaction within your grasp or do you suffer from immensely heightened self-expectations?
1) What was it that you focused on in your switch to SC2 to put yourself at the highest tier of players?
2) Where do you see the current state of the professional StarCraft 2 playerbase as well as yourself being when a larger portion of the Brood War professionals make the switch to SC2?
On December 12 2011 13:59 Loki57 wrote: Ask MVP to finally settle the mech debate for Artosis!
He did. IIRC, he said he disagrees with Artosis that mech is the only way to play, and that mech and bio are both fine because they both transition to sky-terran.
I echo the 'question' someone posted above - we need to let NesTea know how much Artosis loves him. XD
That's not what he said at all. He said that he believes Bio to be superior, especially on larger maps.
You're right. I have no idea where I got what I said from, I could have sworn it's what Mvp said. Maybe I'm getting mixed up with somebody else or something. =/
1) How do they think their skills will compare to the other BW pros when they switch over? 2) Which broodwar pros do you know that are currently practicing sc2 a good amount? 3) Who do you think the 5 best players are right now in starcraft 2? 4) What do you think about the starcraft 2 scene that exists outside of Korea?
What does SC2 need to do to start chipping away at BW's dominance in Korea, and do they see it slowly happening or never? What can we as fans do to help speed along the process?
Do they see playing Starcraft as a job or as a hobby? I mean, clearly its their job. But do they have the same kind of/amount of fun as a normal person playing it? How many times a day/a week/whatever do they have to play this game when in fact they don't want to play it then?
On December 12 2011 13:57 Doodsmack wrote: Have they heard of any BW pros switching over?
Further, what do they expect to happen to the skill/power dynamics when "the switch" happens? (For instance, they'll dominate to the point that the korean players must look very actively to participate worldwide? Enough interest in Korean sc2 for more tournaments/leagues? etc.)
If either of them could change/alter one series from either their Brood war or SC2 career which series would they change? What are they favorite games of SC2 of all time, not played by either of them. Where do they see SC2 going in and outside of korea? Give us a funny experience from the IM teamhouse that involves both of them. Name a couple of up and coming players that the foreign scene has probably never heard off.
If you could choose two inferior, smaller (because you are really tall!!) players to combine forces (think Gotenks) and become one super player to represent you, who would they be and why?
PS. Their combined size should also approximately be equal to you!
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Dear MVP,
Including yourself, who do you think are the 5 most handsome Starcraft 2 players? Who do you think has the most fangirls?
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Thanks for possibly asking and answering my questions! :D
About the game: 1) What are, in their opinion, the biggest design challenges for the upcoming HotS expansion (in respect of SC2 as a competitive game)? 1.1) Is there a particular direction they would like Blizzard to take for their respective races?
About competition: 2) What are, in their opinion, the respective strengths and weaknesses of GSL's and MLG's/IPL's tournament formats? 2.1) Is the increasing internationalization and number of "big" events putting too much of a stress on players (travel, opponent examination, etc.)?
About their job: 3) As two of the very few privileged players who can afford/are allowed to live on their own, what are their thoughts on the current lifestyle of a programer? 3.1) What could be done to improve said lifestyle and allow individual pros to have brighter career prospects (e.g streaming partnerships, game-related shows, etc.)?
I hope that a question about progaming as a job will make it through; I feel that the "human" and career side of professional gaming is often underestimated in favour of glorified narratives that revolve around juvenile dream-pursuing and antagonism.
Why isn't HWANNI included in the thread title!?!? OMG I love that guy
Could you ask Hwanni a little bit about his background and what he's mostly doing at the moment. He's been rather influential in the foreign scene since broodwar, iirc he helped foreign players get into the korean scene
Like a few urks, I could come by and drop a meaningless "OMGOMGOMG! This is soo sick, can't wait!" and walk away, thereby raising my post count by 1.
On the contrary, I'm gonna actually respond to the thread owner and propose a question for the interview.
"What is your take on the recent success of oGsforGG, a player like you with a background in BW, and how do you expect him to perform in the next GSL?"
How long do you spend just talking to your team mates about the game/strategies? Are you jealous of slayers because they got to partner with EG? How long before a foreigner will win a GSL? Which foreigner has the most chance to win a GSL?
Well that's pretty cool. Hwanni's going to have a tough afternoon (korean time) if the interviewing goes on for a good portion of the show ;o.
Ask them if they think SC2 will ever be as popular as bw in korea.
I think the answer to this is obvious. If and when the Ministry of Culture (through Kespa) makes agreements with the BW teams and leagues to switch to SC2, then SC2 will become big there. In other words, the BW teams and leagues will be switched to SC2. Otherwise, SC2 will remain relatively invisible compared to BW there, like it is now.
I'd like a few more lighthearted non game related questions too so we can get to know them. Maybe ask who the funniest IM teammate is, their favourite movie or things like that. I imagine they get a million game related questions already so it would be nice to mix it up.
Ask them if they will ever go to another MLG? I heard that they were not happy about the format. And in case they say no, also ask them what changes in MLG format would make them reconsider. I really really would like to see another MLG IMvasion.
On December 12 2011 15:02 Hunterai wrote: Ask them if they will ever go to another MLG? I heard that they were not happy about the format. And in case they say no, also ask them what changes in MLG format would make them reconsider. I really really would like to see another MLG IMvasion.
Why do you think...? They had to play like 30 games against bads just to get to the same place seeded players ended up.
On December 12 2011 14:59 mikkeld wrote: I'd like a few more lighthearted non game related questions too so we can get to know them. Maybe ask who the funniest IM teammate is, their favourite movie or things like that. I imagine they get a million game related questions already so it would be nice to mix it up.
agreed with this guy...some questions to get to know them even more as a person would be nice and they might like it too.
On December 12 2011 14:59 mikkeld wrote: I'd like a few more lighthearted non game related questions too so we can get to know them. Maybe ask who the funniest IM teammate is, their favourite movie or things like that. I imagine they get a million game related questions already so it would be nice to mix it up.
Quoted. This guy is doing it right and I want JP to see it
1. Typical foreigner vs korean talk 2. Typical BW background vs Non-BW background talk
but I want to ask...
1. Do you still keep in close contact with your friends from BW? If so, whom? 2. Who do you think is the next up-and-coming champion in SC2? 3. What do you think is your strongest point, and what is the weakest? 4. Why is SC2 so unstable and people go through such quick rises and slumps? 5. What do you think is different about the ZergBong in BW, and the Nestea in SC2? In harsher terms, what made him from an infamously low-class player in BW who was made fun of endlessly, to the Zerg mastermind in SC2? 6. What are people in the IM house saying about HOTS? Is it also "Heartbreak of the Swarm" to you as well?
Not enthusiastic about the interviews honestly. Koreans basically never say anything of any import. Prepare yourselves for "I want to give good games, I will try harder, thank you for cheering for me, I dont do much but play starcraft 2, I want to make money to repay my parents" and not much else.
On December 12 2011 15:19 lizzard_warish wrote: Not enthusiastic about the interviews honestly. Koreans basically never say anything of any import. Prepare yourselves for "I want to give good games, I will try harder, thank you for cheering for me, I dont do much but play starcraft 2, I want to make money to repay my parents" and not much else.
MVP in previous interviews usually gives pretty good insightful answers. The right questions need to be asked thou
On December 12 2011 15:19 lizzard_warish wrote: Not enthusiastic about the interviews honestly. Koreans basically never say anything of any import. Prepare yourselves for "I want to give good games, I will try harder, thank you for cheering for me, I dont do much but play starcraft 2, I want to make money to repay my parents" and not much else.
Well if you ask the right questions you won`t get that. Obviously if you ask generic stuff like "how do you feel about winning this tournament?" or "what will you do with the money?" or "what do you feel your chances are?"..you will get those kinds of answers.
Awesome! It's a shame the chilltoss won't be there for the interview, but such is life.
1. I agree with the earlier post about asking NesTea what changed for him from BW, great question from Keone. 2. Also, I'd like to know about the growth of players in the IM house, for instance, what has allowed Happy and LosirA to become code S players while under Mvp/NesTea's tutelage (or at least living in the house with them after they were established as elite) and what has set them apart from other up-and-comers on IM or other teams that haven't seen success. 3. What's the deal with Koreans in America and wearing hats? BoxeR, NesTea, MMA, Mvp, they all like to wear baseball caps at MLGs. At first I thought it was just more elaborate team/sponsor plugging, but then MMA wore an Oakland A's hat to Blizzcon. I don't get it.
SC2 isn't as invisible in SK as people think it is. Living here has shown me there are plenty of fans of both games, and the recent gaming expo event had tons of people checking out SC2. PC Bangs are full of people playing sc2 and sc1 here in my town.
I'm still doubtful. I've read probably a hundred interviews or more, of which a good portion were the 50 Q@A or more indepth type, and ive still seen essentially nothing that was insightful or personal from a korean. Maybe a handful of times theres been an interview which actually didnt waste everyones time in reading it.
When do YOU think flash jaedong bisu and the likes will transfer to sc2 and will anybody stand a chance against them ? should we all just run in circles and die(metaphorically speaking)?
I'll definitely watch this, thanks for doing this sotg!
questions to mvp: 1) like everyone else said, his thoughts on Mech vs protoss in late game scenario (you have to ask since artosis will be there too should be awesome ) / or does he think standard MMM/ghost/viking late game is the end all build for tvp? 2) best and worst match ups, and please explain each one in depth why he ranked them that way. 3) since he played hots briefly which units is he most interested in and how does he see it changing up the matchups for terran
questions to nestea: 1) why doesn't he experiment more mass ling/ upgrades /infestor style like stephano... in blizzcon he won convincingly against MVP and then never used it again why is that? (wondering if he thinks its just a gimmicky build like idra implies and that ppl that use like stephano will be figured out) 2) best and worst matchups and why 3) does he know that artosis is his greatest fan? =]
On December 12 2011 14:01 LeFroMaGe wrote: Ask MVP his thoughts on Mech in TvP!
This x100000 and if MVP says it's not good, I dare artosis to tell him that mech is too hard for him, so he doesn't bother to try it in tvp. I know incontrol would like to see that.
On December 12 2011 14:01 LeFroMaGe wrote: Ask MVP his thoughts on Mech in TvP!
oh god this.
also Ask Nestea what he thinks his biggest problems are in the current meta-game with each of the match-ups in ZvX and what he's been working on to fight against it.
For MVP - Does MVP think MECH is the best b way to go in T v T and why is he not using it in T v P? Is it because it is hard or is it because it does not work??
I don't usually get excited about anything other than big games/matches, but wow I must say that the (arguably) two best players in the world are going to be on a foreigner podcast and I am damn excited. I hope we can get a big audience for SotG =D
Ask Nestea if he's ever heard/will listen to an Artosis cast of his games. No really, I want someone to translate this and relay it back to Nestea with Artosis on the show:
Q to MVP: You are dominating in all of the major tournaments you play. How do you stay motivated to become better than what you are at the current level? To build on that question, is ladder practice random enough to keep you playing or do you have a specific practice regimen?
Q to Nestea: I believe you have some unfinished business with Naniwa. What is the first word that comes to mind when you hear his name?
I'd like to know if we'll see them in foreign tournaments in 2012. I'm curious because if I remember correctly HuK said on some episode of SotG that NesTea isn't a big fan of them and it seemed like his trip to MLG wasn't a wholly positive experience to him either.
My most interesting question: Question 1: The last couple of months Protoss players results have been improving a lot. Could you tell us a little bit about what has changed from your races' point of view, and what are the new challenges in your match-up vs Protoss?
A more specific question: Question 2: Currently there are very few foreign Terrans showing good results, while Korean Terrans are still doing very well. Is this a matter of foreign players of other races simply being better than foreign Terrans, or is there something that sets Korean and foreign Terrans apart more than for other races?
And if they're willing to answer this (I doubt it), it's a must ask for everyone who loves drama : Question 3: From your perspective, how did you view the way Naniwa acted towards you (especially Nestea) after the games in the MLG Global Invitational and MLG Providence, and how do you feel about him now that some time has passed?
Great news, Looking forward to it! I'm glad you didn't invite them to today/tomorrows episode to be honest. (the drunken(?) episode)
Question to MVP: Does he have any plans on treating his hand(s) (surgery/other treatment) soon? According to interviews, he has had a long-lasting pain in his right hand (if not the left one also), since Broodwar times. Really curious about this, since it is pretty big deal.
Sweeeet! Remember seeing JP saying the chance of them coming on was almost non-existing, when he announced they were trying to set it up, haha. ^^
My questions would be regarding how the relationships between IM members are outside of practice, if they do stuff together etc., and to MVP and Nestea on the subject of if they have any rituals, you know listen to a specific song, think of a happy memory, sacrifice a lamb to Beelzebub or anything like that before matches in order to get rid of nerves etc.
Dear MVP: when you made your ID, did you ever think it would become an appropriate title for you as it is now? (or: why did you make your id?) Dear Nestea: Do you think you are better than Naniwa? Dear MVP, Nestea: what is your favorite unit in SC2?
Question to both of them. As both of them have came from the broodwar scene, do they believe that the BW titans like Jaedong and Flash will dominate if they switch.
This is a pretty big controversy and I think that their input would be interesting considering how they are both dominating the scene at the moment.
On December 12 2011 17:18 Noxie wrote: Question to both of them. As both of them have came from the broodwar scene, do they believe that the BW titans like Jaedong and Flash will dominate if they switch.
This is a pretty big controversy and I think that their input would be interesting considering how they are both dominating the scene at the moment.
Its not really a question that should be asked as the reason Jaedong at least in particular is so good at broodwar is not only does he play a lot but he doesn't complain.
I remember reading interviews with the coach of jaedong who said Jaedong was different then other players because you could tell him to play 30 games in a row doing something and he didn't complain at all while from what he made it sound, a lot of players complain.
Jaedong and I imagine Flash as well both play a lot and don't slack off at all which is why they dominate so much (and talent ). But I doubt nestea/mvp could say really but assume yes just because of how talented those 2 are.
On December 12 2011 17:18 Noxie wrote: Question to both of them. As both of them have came from the broodwar scene, do they believe that the BW titans like Jaedong and Flash will dominate if they switch.
This is a pretty big controversy and I think that their input would be interesting considering how they are both dominating the scene at the moment.
Expanding on this, I'd love to know what they think about other active BW pros switching -- Jaedong and Flash are almost inhuman, so yeah, they'd almost certainly be gods in SC2 too; but what about people like Jangbi, Fantasy, Stork, etc.? If a large amount of current A-team BW pros switched over to SC2, how well could they do, how quickly could they adapt?
Up until now that kind of discussion on the forums has generally just turned into flaming and arguments, so I'd be love to hear what Nestea and MVP actually think.
Do you think Sc2 needs more non-starcraft related content with progamers to grow as an esports? Which players would be open to those kind of events do you think?
On December 12 2011 13:53 itmeJP wrote:This heavily revolves around when or if Nestea and MVP are eliminated from the upcoming Blizzard Cup. Details will be posted as soon as I know.
LOL you may have to delay this episode until the conclusion of Blizzard Cup.
Question to both MVP and Nestea: Since both were programers for SC:BW, are there any differences in the practice and social atmosphere among SC2 programers?
PLEASE ask MVP and Nestea if they can consider streaming on TL.
I see many top koreans streaming lately like ForGG, July, Bomber, MC, Sage, Jakji, etc. and I think MVP and Nestea can attract many viewers on TL if they decide to stream.
Can you ask what their actual schedules every day are? and like what their lives are like living in starcraft, what they do in their free time, stuff like that?
Not sure how best to word certain questions, but things I would basically like to know:
- What players are they both most wary of? Whether they are good on ladder, in practice, real games or reputation alone? What players would you rather avoid until finals, or close enough to?
- What players are great to practice with, outside of the team? I know Koreans typically contact players from other teams for practice (as shown in interviews), but who works best for both of you in certain matchups?
- What is your greatest highlight of the year?
- What is your greatest disappointment of the year?
On December 12 2011 13:53 itmeJP wrote: Artosis has always been our entry-point to the Korean scene on State of the Game, but coming up this week we are incredibly happy to announce the Incredible Miracle's very own Nestea and MVP (with translation by Hwanni) will be joining myself, iNcontroL, and Artosis for a Q&A session.
The date and time are still being ironed out, but it will be a live production on the MLG.tv stream. This heavily revolves around when or if Nestea and MVP are eliminated from the upcoming Blizzard Cup. Details will be posted as soon as I know.
Please remember that because Nestea and MVP are our guests, we will have to stick with whatever time they are comfortable and available. This means that it might be very late at night for the U.S. audience. Don't worry, I'll have it posted very quickly after going off air.
The reason I wanted to get the information out there so early is because we're going to be taking community questions from TeamLiquid.net and /r/Starcraft. Please post your questions in this thread and we'll go through and choose a handful from each site.
Thanks everyone!
Slightly off topic, but why isn't Day[9] there? Did he leave from SotG? Couldn't find any announcement in regards to this.
Let's do something typically sport-ish. Ask them who is longest in the shower! (i kid i kid) I'd like to know who they think has the most potential in the SC2 scene who isn't yet well known. (Either from ladder in korea or what they have heard from others) example - AriA etc
Can you please ask them how much further they think the level of sc2 competition can progress. It's always hard for me to imagine better play than I see (even though it keeps happening)
Having been lurking on TL over a year, but gotta make an account for this opportunity...
So here are my list of questions for you to choose from , JP ~ ~ By the way, really hope Day[9] would be there to ask great questions and have in-depth discussions with them (making the translation job real hard XD)
Starcraft related questions
Game Design related
(To both) How much do mind games contribute to your current success ?
(To both) Do you think SC2 should be more rewarding to players who play better mind games ? (players who can read their opponent's build / mislead opponents should get more advantages)
(To both) What direction should map makers take in developing new competitive maps ?
(To both) Do you think "Mid-fields" of maps in the current map pools is not dynamic enough ? either wide open area :-------------Tal'darim, Shatter Temple, Dual sight etc or multi-pathways :-------------Daybreak, Crossfire, Shakuras Plateau etc
Players / Team related
(To both) At your current level, which players' play can inspire you the most?
(To both) How did the Team IM coach affect your play style?
(To both) According to your understandings, which team has the best attitude and learning environment ?
Tournaments related
(To both) What tournament format do you enjoy the most ? ( MLG : double elimination with extend series Blizzcon : double elimination without extend series etc.)
(To both) Do you wish all tournaments use a universal map pool or do you prefer tournaments use different maps to distinguish themselves from each other ?
BW pros
(To both) As far as you know, how many & how hard are the BW pros practising SC2 ?
(To both) Would you prepare differently for future matches against BW pros compared to SC2 pros ? If so, why & how?
E-sports related
(To both) What should be done to further grow the SC2 / E-sport scene in Souther Korea?
(To both) What should be done to further grow the SC2 / E-sport international scene ? ( what is the biggest obstacles in the growth of SC2 / E-sport in S.K & the whole world?)
(To both) What is the role of SC2Con ? How does it function & does it affect you ?
(To both) Do you think the scene can benefit from a player union ? (To help dealing with health, tournament payment issues, promote teams to sponsors, setting guide on players salary etc)
Community
(To both) Do you wish more community show like StoG exist ?
(To both) Do you wish more players are involved in community shows ?
(To both) Are you going to learn better English to reach out to your foreign fans ?
Health
(To both) How do you keep yourselves from "occupational diseases" such as carpel tunnel ?
(To MVP) How did you manage to stay away from short-sighted while being a pro-gamer ?
(To both) What advice would you give to players practising for long hours to stay healthy?
Blizzard
(To both) What is your impression on Blizzard ?
(To both) What advice would you give Blizzard when developing Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void?
Others
(To both) What is the most important thing in developing one's play besides practising ?
(To both) How much will you charge MC / Idra / Naniwa if they want an hour of Zerg / Terran lesson from you ?
(To both) Do you think the long break between Dec 2011 and Jan 2012 will allow you for huge improvement ?
(To both) What will you do to have fun with SC2 ?
Non- gaming questions
Personal
(To both) What are your girl friends' opinions on SC2 and the career of a SC2 pro?
(To Nestea) Would you teach your kids to play SC2 in the future? And would you get angry if they turn out to be noobs XD?
(To both) Can you sing as well as MC & Select ? MC : starts at 01:00
Select : starts at 20:55
(To both) How often do you meet friends outside of the Starcraft circle ? (friends from college and army)
(To both) What hobby do you excel at other than SC2 ?
South Korea
(To both) What do you love / hate the most for South Korea as a country ?
(To both) Does the tension between North & South Korea worry you at all ?
Other countries
(To both) Which country do you want to visit the most ?
(To both) Disregarding SC factors, which country do you wish to live in the most ?
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Naniwa has a tatoo...waooooo. very nice first post btw.
One thing I would like to ask is:
The games in the blizzard cup have been very all-in and low base centric. Is that a metagame shift or just a symptom of Best of one, or just a coincidence?
i hate interviews with a translator. there is no way around that sadly since koreans english is poor. anyways it will be awesome. the biggest nerdballer nestea and the best terran around
To MVP: Do you even know how much money you made this year? Do you think you'll earn more next year? Do you watch esports/sports other than starcraft? >what¿< What are the differences between top koreans and chineese players like Xigua? When will you change your id to GOD?
There have been several notable foreign zerg and protoss who have demonstrated ability up there with their korean counterparts (idra, huk, stephano, naniwa, etc, etc). Do you think there is any reason that foreign terrans struggle so much in comparison, or is it just that we haven't found the next wonderkid yet?
What are your views on koreans leaving korea to play SC2 in the foreign scene? (eg puma, inori, violet, hero) Are they just weak players hoping for easy money/fame by being in a relatively weak field?
I'd also like to know their thoughts on IM's brief partnership with quantic.
MVP, You're recent results against Zerg (losing to leenock, DRG, curious and having a game taken by ANNyeong) have been less than fantastic. To what do you attribute these zergs successes against you. Do you ever have Nestea help you with things that these zergs do that have beaten you?
Nestea, What do you attribute to your recent losses in the GSL and MLG. In comparison to previous results you are in a slump (what most others would consider a highlight though). Do you plan on changing anything practice or playstyle wise?
zOmg I hope we get Artosis to ask MVP about mech in TvT and TvP, because sometimes Artosis just infuriates me This is a seriously awesome event, will most definitely tune in :D
I'd like to know how MVP plans to deal with his carpal tunnel, if he wants to play until he can't take it anymore, or if he plans to get surgical treatment.
Do you believe mech TvT to be inherently superior to bio play on the majority of maps? If so, why do you think is it that so few pros play mech in TvT?
Is mech viable as a standard strategy in TvP ( as in: not only one-time gimmicks but as a go-to build)?
These questions need to be asked so my favorite caster can get rid of some prejudices Also: thanks JP and Artosis to make this possible, you guys are awesome!
1)What are the biggest flaws that you think starcraft 2 has? Is there a solution to them? How would you fix it?
2)What do you think about the expansion HotS? What do you look forward to the most and which implementations made by blizzard do you completly disagree with (conceptwise, not the actual numbers)?
3) Do you think the punishment that Naniwa got was reasonable? The game meant nothing and if it were played out it would have been still halfhearted since nothings on the line anymore. Most of the foreigners blame the format for this and I would like to hear the opinion of nestea especially since for him the game also meant nothing and if he can sympathize with naniwas decision.
I want to get to know the players better, personally. The biggest problem I have with Korean interviews is that they're just so bland and overly nice about everything. "Oh, this will be a good match, I think I'll win, but it will be hard. I need to practice more to beat him" or "Oh foreign fans are great, I love going to foreign tournaments, they make me feel so welcomed". I'm sure none of this is staged, just how they feel, but I mean, really, how often can we ask the same questions? I'd like SotG to have fun with it.
I'd like to know what their favorite foreign foods are, who they idolize (home life, historical figure, other pro), what their opinions are on foreign hair styles. Do they drink? Do they know any languages other than Korean? How is their home life? Would they suggest an eSports career to their children? Do they plan on coaching/managing after they retire? If they weren't terran/zerg, what would they have chosen?
I'd love to hear a legitimate concern they have for foreign eSports events. I'm not trying to villainize them, or put them in a bad spot, but I'd truly like to know what they would say are our biggest failures in eSports. I'd like to truly know Hwanni's take on that as well. I don't believe we as a community truly know what the Korean side of eSports thinks of our efforts.
Regardless, thanks JP and the rest of the pillars. Looking forward to it, and you guys rawk.
On December 13 2011 01:29 isleyofthenorth wrote: i hate interviews with a translator. there is no way around that sadly since koreans english is poor. anyways it will be awesome. the biggest nerdballer nestea and the best terran around
Do you kill roaches at your apartment or you let them go? Can you describe your hot-key setup? If you ever switch races (please don't !) which one would you pick? (same question for MVP)
MVP: Could you take a picture of your trophy collection and show us? Is there any aspect of SC2 that you find lacking when compared to BW and would like to see implemented? What is your most memorable game / opponent from sc2 ?
Best game you have played this year? What made it so good?
What do you prefer the most, playing in a lan tournament like MLG where you play lots of matches on one day, or GSL style tournament where you get to prepare for your opponent?
MVP:
Bio or mech in TvT?
What do you think is your strongest and weakest part of your gameplay?
Should we call you a Bonjwa?
When you go mech in TvZ, are you more afraid of early mutalisk or heavy roach play?
Can you please upload some ladder replays so I can have the best Christmas of my life?
Question: Were do you get your patience from? Is it your coach who teach you it? Both NesTea and Mvp are the worlds most patient players in game, how come?
Would be cool to have more of a conversation (collaborative) rather than standard Korean interviews (adversarial) where the goal is to say as little as possible.
For instance, recently MVP said he thinks Mech is going to be weaker as the maps might become larger, yet Artosis doesn't really feel that way(?), so it would be awesome to hear them discuss it with each other.
To MVP: People say that your weakest match up is TvP, do you feel that this is true or you think people are looking too far back for when you dropped down to Code-A?
I'd like to know what separates them from every other player in the game. How much do they practice? What is the ratio of ladder to custom games that they play? How much does their coach help and what does he help with in particular? Try to figure out the secret to their success for foreigners!
To Nestea: What did you think about the game against Naniwa @ GSL Blizzard Cup, where he 7 probe rushed you and gg'd out of the game before the 2 minutes mark?
On December 13 2011 21:31 Clow wrote: To Nestea: What did you think about the game against Naniwa @ GSL Blizzard Cup, where he simply sent his probes and left the game before the 1 minute mark?
On December 12 2011 13:59 Loki57 wrote: Ask MVP to finally settle the mech debate for Artosis!
He did. IIRC, he said he disagrees with Artosis that mech is the only way to play, and that mech and bio are both fine because they both transition to sky-terran.
I echo the 'question' someone posted above - we need to let NesTea know how much Artosis loves him. XD
To MVP : Does he know that EVERY tournament he enters he is named as the likely winner by the majority of foreigners and foreign casters? How does he feel about being favored so much by the foreign community/casters? Is the pressure good for him or bad?
P.S. I am a huge MVP fan I love the way you play sc2 and I respect the hours/training/effort he puts into providing us, the fans, the greatest games he can play. Thank you MVP for being the best terran player(maybe the best player in the world) in 2011 and good luck in 2012 I'll wait for your awesome strategies and games next year as well :D
Were you surprised by Naniwa's decision to throw his match against you? Did you find it disrespectful to you/the fans/ GOMTV? Even though you both were eliminated at the time of your match, were you nevertheless excited to beat Naniwa and give the fans an entertaining game?
On December 14 2011 03:27 Hakanfrog wrote: Q: You two are undoubtedly the king of zerg and terran, but who do you think is the current king of protoss?
Q: What are your opinions on Naniwas actions in the last game you two played at blizzard cup (preferably to Nestea)?
If Nestea is still undoubtedly the king of zerg despite poor performance recently, how is MC not undoubtedly the king of protoss? It's not like another Protoss even won a GSL or anything.
Please don't fuel the drama flames with useless questions. Ask them about game and strategy since this is a rare opportunity to see how they see the game, not about drama please. Don't waste their time. I would like to see an interview done by State of the Game, not State of the Drama, please.
For example they could discuss the TvZ lategame. Zergs (also NesTea) seem to be unable to consistently break a turtling 3+ base Terran. What options he thinks there are for Zerg (builds, timings, unit compositions). MVP on the other hand could give comments which of those options are hardest for Terran to deal with.
On December 14 2011 03:27 Hakanfrog wrote: Q: You two are undoubtedly the king of zerg and terran, but who do you think is the current king of protoss?
Q: What are your opinions on Naniwas actions in the last game you two played at blizzard cup (preferably to Nestea)?
If Nestea is still undoubtedly the king of zerg despite poor performance recently, how is MC not undoubtedly the king of protoss? It's not like another Protoss even won a GSL or anything.
if Hero could get his head in order under pressure I think he has the potential to easily be the best. He certainly has the skill.
Nestea, what do you think protoss should do against the map control afforded by Mutas and mutas in general? And do you think hidden expansions should be taken by zerg when going mutas?
MVP, in which situations should you spend a scan in the early-game against protoss as opposed to using scvs?
On December 14 2011 03:27 Hakanfrog wrote: Q: You two are undoubtedly the king of zerg and terran, but who do you think is the current king of protoss?
Q: What are your opinions on Naniwas actions in the last game you two played at blizzard cup (preferably to Nestea)?
You essentially asked the two questions I wanted them to ask (look like 4 posts above yours) lol. I wanted them to ask if Nestea would choose Naniwa during group selection, but I was trying to get at what you were asking.
On December 14 2011 03:27 Hakanfrog wrote: Q: You two are undoubtedly the king of zerg and terran, but who do you think is the current king of protoss?
Q: What are your opinions on Naniwas actions in the last game you two played at blizzard cup (preferably to Nestea)?
You essentially asked the two questions I wanted them to ask (look like 4 posts above yours) lol. I wanted them to ask if Nestea would choose Naniwa during group selection, but I was trying to get at what you were asking.
Might aswell be honest, and I don´t think it hurts to show that a lot of people want to know about it.
On December 14 2011 03:27 Hakanfrog wrote: Q: You two are undoubtedly the king of zerg and terran, but who do you think is the current king of protoss?
Q: What are your opinions on Naniwas actions in the last game you two played at blizzard cup (preferably to Nestea)?
If Nestea is still undoubtedly the king of zerg despite poor performance recently, how is MC not undoubtedly the king of protoss? It's not like another Protoss even won a GSL or anything.
if Hero could get his head in order under pressure I think he has the potential to easily be the best. He certainly has the skill.
Yeah yeah nerves excuse again. The fact is Hero has shown Mid code a level results, lost early in the last 2 seasons of Code A, and was HUMILIATED in Blizzard Cup. He also still hasn't been a top Korean. I don't see the skill that gives the potential to "easily" be the best.
I think that putting the videos on, in which Tastosis describes Neastea in GSL and translating them live(hwanni) for him to see his reaction would be pure gold! Please make it happen! I think he would actually have fun knowing about that!
Has there ever been a situation where either player has been in Naniwa's shoes, where they tried their hardest, lost completely, and had to play another game where the results were irrelevant (well, Nestea of course was 0-3 as well, but more asking if their mindset ever reached the point of Nani's where they just kinda mentally broke down and couldn't try their best, much less having the game mean nothing)? If so, what did they do in that situation, either to motivate themselves to play, or to resign themselves to not have their best game?
On December 14 2011 03:27 Hakanfrog wrote: Q: You two are undoubtedly the king of zerg and terran, but who do you think is the current king of protoss?
Q: What are your opinions on Naniwas actions in the last game you two played at blizzard cup (preferably to Nestea)?
If Nestea is still undoubtedly the king of zerg despite poor performance recently, how is MC not undoubtedly the king of protoss? It's not like another Protoss even won a GSL or anything.
if Hero could get his head in order under pressure I think he has the potential to easily be the best. He certainly has the skill.
Yeah yeah nerves excuse again. The fact is Hero has shown Mid code a level results, lost early in the last 2 seasons of Code A, and was HUMILIATED in Blizzard Cup. He also still hasn't been a top Korean. I don't see the skill that gives the potential to "easily" be the best.
What you're saying is that you have not seen the _results_ in korea that would make him a contender to be one of the "best". When people talk about potential and skill they're clearly not talking about results (although you could make the argument that he's performed very well outside of korea vs top koreans). If you've ever watched his stream you'd know he's easily one of the top koreans when it comes down to skill.. His builds however are very lean imho which, in a game that is as volitile as SC2, can cause you to loose alot of games when you make minor mistakes which can easily happen when you are nervous.
Anyway, potential and skill | = results, all I wanted to say. In many cases it translates into results, but they're not the same thing. (MBCs Sea anyone?)
On December 15 2011 17:31 Tppz! wrote: Talk about TvP Mech! Ask if its viable. Remind MVP of his Game in a GSTL when he meched versus a protoss and got rolled.
(maybe also talk about the game MKP vs Grubby in that SEA ipl event where MKP went mech and got rolled hard even though he won ezpz with bio)
What are their thoughts about the HOTS units.
Should snipe get nerfed?
i didn't see the second game you mentioned but that first mentioned game was obviously going to lose meching because he transitioned into mech way late into the game and wasn't upgraded nor did he have a reasonably sized army at all and also was caught horribly our of position. hardly an example of decent mech play.
maybe on top of it you should mention that pretty much every time mech is used besides that one game in gsl it has won.
Jinro vs MC, Byun vs some toss i cant remember, asd vs hero with mass thor. Mech is so rarely used in GSL vs protoss but pretty much every time it is used it wins so maybe you should mention that instead of just being negative.
Why does artosis believe that, You, MvP as a broodwar Terran who used Mech... did not try it vs Protoss. Why is Mech so terrible against Protoss. Is is because of Immortals Chargelots Blink Collosis Mobillity or All the above.
Why does artosis believe that, You, MvP as a broodwar Terran who used Mech... did not try it vs Protoss. Why is Mech so terrible against Protoss. Is is because of Immortals Chargelots Blink Collosis Mobillity or All the above.
Why does artosis believe that, You, MvP as a broodwar Terran who used Mech... did not try it vs Protoss. Why is Mech so terrible against Protoss. Is is because of Immortals Chargelots Blink Collosis Mobillity or All the above.
Don't forget shitty damage that tanks do.
don't forget no spider mines and helions aren't as strong as vultures
Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
@Nestea : Do you feel uncomfortable playing outside of Korea? Your performance in the GSL has been better than elsewhere. @MVP : Where do you rate your ability for macro play among other terrans? Who do you think is better at macro than you at the moment (if there's anyone) ?
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
you can turn it how you want, your questions are hurtful and disrespectful. I mean just a question like "How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? " Wtf? It's his damned job
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
where do you work? at "Blick am abend"??? You want to justify those hurtful questions with "independant journalism"? Those are at most paparazzi questions.
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
"Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful?" What kind of a question is that? What do you even expect him to reply to that question with? That is such an unsubtly veiled insult, try to emphasise a little with the person you're interrogating.
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
Lol dude. a few of these questionsare EXTREMELY hurtful and aggressive, AND show no research behind them. And admittedly, when u look at them again, the rest aren't too bad, but they are very blunt, and not very informative, or well put forward (language barrier possibly). It almost seems like the type of article that you are wanting to write from these questions would be intentionally misleading, and would make you get insta-blocked for any other korean gamer article.
Also, on the aspect of North South, he might have an opinion on it, but I don't think gamers are quite at the level necessary to be able to show support for individual causes and still maintain their support base. If he answers that "I think NK is very huggable and conscription is useless" there could be serious repercussions.
Questions like the ones you are asking are the type of questions designed to aggravate responses and to be honest are sensationalist journalism. Take your tabloid stuff elsewhere.
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
I think the problem is less of the questions being hurtful, but that half of the ones you've listed are to put it gently--retarded. If you want to talk about good journalism, then the asking of provocative questions should be meaningful. A question like, "How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game?" is not only highly unlikely to garner a good response, but also showcases a narrow-mindedness on the part of the interviewer bordering on ignorance. A smarter way to phrase it would be, "Professional gaming is gaining ground as a career, but it's still far from being as accepted by society as a traditional office job. How fast do you think e-sports will gain ground in that regard, and what would be your reasoning behind why you decided to spend your youth pursuing such a risky endeavour?"
What you've listed may touch on deep and complicated topics, but they are not deep and complicated questions. The questions about Korean reunification just make me want to slam my head into a table because A. Nestea is a progamer not a politician and B. 99% chance he'll give the generic response that he hopes for reunification but there are a lot of challenges to clear in order to achieve it. I mean really now, take a moment and consider how nonsensical a question about what he thinks of South Korea playing video games while North Korea starves really is. While you're at it you should arbitrarily ask him what he feels about North Korea dying while South Koreans eat kimchi. Don't stop there either, ask him how he feels about playing SC2 while your neighbor just kicked your dog. Just because both countries are "Korea" doesn't mean every single topic can be sensibly linked together. As for an interest in gaming, I think North Korea might have it once they have any games to play and don't have to worry about where to get their next meal.
On December 21 2011 18:56 Hardigan wrote: where do you work? at "Blick am abend"??? You want to justify those hurtful questions with "independant journalism"? Those are at most paparazzi questions.
No, I do not and I never will work at BaA. I don't like the colors and I don't like the content
Folks, I do respect we are all gamers here, but gaming is nothing but amusement for the people. Like popmusic, like wrestling, like tv series, like comic books etc... You could kind of argue that it's a form of "art", but seriously? I really would like to know what the korean progamers think about their "jobs". How they justify choosing gaming over an academic career studying law or economics in front of their families? I mean, that's a serious question. I'm thinking about that every time I play the game instead of doing something else. What's it for? In short: It's a waste of time.
And I truly think that all the eSports Interviews out there are simply frickin' boring. I stopped reading them a long time ago.
But we're derailing here, let's gather more questions, JP can choose the ones I want. We can discuss over PMs or, maybe, I'll write a blog sometime and then let's discuss there...
On December 21 2011 18:56 Hardigan wrote: where do you work? at "Blick am abend"??? You want to justify those hurtful questions with "independant journalism"? Those are at most paparazzi questions.
No, I do not and I never will work at BaA. I don't like the colors and I don't like the content
Folks, I do respect we are all gamers here, but gaming is nothing but amusement for the people. Like popmusic, like wrestling, like tv series, like comic books etc... You could kind of argue that it's a form of "art", but seriously? I really would like to know what the korean progamers think about their "jobs". How they justify choosing gaming over an academic career studying law or economics in front of their families? I mean, that's a serious question. I'm thinking about that every time I play the game instead of doing something else. What's it for? In short: It's a waste of time.
And I truly think that all the eSports Interviews out there are simply frickin' boring. I stopped reading them a long time ago.
But we're derailing here, let's gather more questions, JP can choose the ones I want. We can discuss over PMs or, maybe, I'll write a blog sometime and then let's discuss there...
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in?
On December 21 2011 19:22 pampelmus wrote: Folks, I do respect we are all gamers here, but gaming is nothing but amusement for the people. Like popmusic, like wrestling, like tv series, like comic books etc...
Like tourism, like fine restaurants, like pretty much half of jobs in the modern world, yes. How does that make a job less meaningful?
On December 21 2011 19:22 pampelmus wrote: You could kind of argue that it's a form of "art", but seriously? I really would like to know what the korean progamers think about their "jobs". How they justify choosing gaming over an academic career studying law or economics in front of their families? I mean, that's a serious question. I'm thinking about that every time I play the game instead of doing something else. What's it for? In short: It's a waste of time.
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"?
I think the problem is less of the questions being hurtful, but that half of the ones you've listed are to put it gently--retarded. If you want to talk about good journalism, then the asking of provocative questions should be meaningful. A question like, "How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game?" is not only highly unlikely to garner a good response, but also showcases a narrow-mindedness on the part of the interviewer bordering on ignorance. A smarter way to phrase it would be, "Professional gaming is gaining ground as a career, but it's still far from being as accepted by society as a traditional office job. How fast do you think e-sports will gain ground in that regard, and what would be your reasoning behind why you decided to spend your youth pursuing such a risky endeavour?"
Well, I didn't phrase them out perfectly. My english is pretty bad, and if I would do the Interview, I would prepare myself accordingly, investing like 2-3 hours to think about the question catalogue. I'm not doing the Interview. But your proposal for the question ist just public-relations-blah-blah.
What you've listed may touch on deep and complicated topics, but they are not deep and complicated questions. The questions about Korean reunification just make me want to slam my head into a table because A. Nestea is a progamer not a politician and B. 99% chance he'll give the generic response that he hopes for reunification but there are a lot of challenges to clear in order to achieve it. I mean really now, take a moment and consider how nonsensical a question about what he thinks of South Korea playing video games while North Korea starves really is. While you're at it you should arbitrarily ask him what he feels about North Korea dying while South Koreans eat kimchi. Don't stop there either, ask him how he feels about playing SC2 while your neighbor just kicked your dog. Just because both countries are "Korea" doesn't mean every single topic can be sensibly linked together. As for an interest in gaming, I think North Korea might have it once they have any games to play and don't have to worry about where to get their next meal.
Well, I have another opinion. I do think that think that a lot of topics can be linked together. And I am interested about what games think about the North. I mean, it affects their daily life. Seoul is not far from the border. The Army is a central part in every progamers life. etc....
On December 21 2011 18:56 Hardigan wrote: where do you work? at "Blick am abend"??? You want to justify those hurtful questions with "independant journalism"? Those are at most paparazzi questions.
No, I do not and I never will work at BaA. I don't like the colors and I don't like the content
Folks, I do respect we are all gamers here, but gaming is nothing but amusement for the people. Like popmusic, like wrestling, like tv series, like comic books etc... You could kind of argue that it's a form of "art", but seriously? I really would like to know what the korean progamers think about their "jobs". How they justify choosing gaming over an academic career studying law or economics in front of their families? I mean, that's a serious question. I'm thinking about that every time I play the game instead of doing something else. What's it for? In short: It's a waste of time.
And I truly think that all the eSports Interviews out there are simply frickin' boring. I stopped reading them a long time ago.
But we're derailing here, let's gather more questions, JP can choose the ones I want. We can discuss over PMs or, maybe, I'll write a blog sometime and then let's discuss there...
You insult the gaming community by insulting the hard work and achievements of all pro-gamers, you spit on the very act of playing games, on a portal for Starcraft 2. Also, in my opinion, you took a crap on all the esports content providers by calling interviews boring, which isn't surprising seeing that games are 'a waste of time'. No one needs to hear your opinions. You're either incredibly ignorant or a troll. You wish you were a journalist.
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in?
On December 21 2011 19:31 blackone wrote:
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"?
Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society.
But there area questions in this world (like: Is it worth wasting my time with playing a computer game or should I get good grades at the university?) that occupy myself. And therefore I'm wondering what people that I'm looking up to think about them. These were questions I would ask, don't claim that they would be interesting for everybody here.
I think the problem is less of the questions being hurtful, but that half of the ones you've listed are to put it gently--retarded. If you want to talk about good journalism, then the asking of provocative questions should be meaningful. A question like, "How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game?" is not only highly unlikely to garner a good response, but also showcases a narrow-mindedness on the part of the interviewer bordering on ignorance. A smarter way to phrase it would be, "Professional gaming is gaining ground as a career, but it's still far from being as accepted by society as a traditional office job. How fast do you think e-sports will gain ground in that regard, and what would be your reasoning behind why you decided to spend your youth pursuing such a risky endeavour?"
Well, I didn't phrase them out perfectly. My english is pretty bad, and if I would do the Interview, I would prepare myself accordingly, investing like 2-3 hours to think about the question catalogue. I'm not doing the Interview. But your proposal for the question ist just public-relations-blah-blah.
What you've listed may touch on deep and complicated topics, but they are not deep and complicated questions. The questions about Korean reunification just make me want to slam my head into a table because A. Nestea is a progamer not a politician and B. 99% chance he'll give the generic response that he hopes for reunification but there are a lot of challenges to clear in order to achieve it. I mean really now, take a moment and consider how nonsensical a question about what he thinks of South Korea playing video games while North Korea starves really is. While you're at it you should arbitrarily ask him what he feels about North Korea dying while South Koreans eat kimchi. Don't stop there either, ask him how he feels about playing SC2 while your neighbor just kicked your dog. Just because both countries are "Korea" doesn't mean every single topic can be sensibly linked together. As for an interest in gaming, I think North Korea might have it once they have any games to play and don't have to worry about where to get their next meal.
Well, I have another opinion. I do think that think that a lot of topics can be linked together. And I am interested about what games think about the North. I mean, it affects their daily life. Seoul is not far from the border. The Army is a central part in every progamers life. etc....
You completely ignored my point. North Korea is relevant to South Korea, but that's the case for every single person living there. Pro-gamers are no different from any other citizen in that regard because gaming is not a differentiating factor at all. You can ask a pro-gamer what they think and then any other person of a similar age and you'll likely get the same response. Nestea is no better equipped to answer such a question than any of my Korean friends are. Should I go ask them those questions for you?
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Similarly, you are on an internet forum when there's starving children in Africa... that's pretty much what you're saying... kind of...
On December 21 2011 19:39 lisward wrote: You insult the gaming community by insulting the hard work and achievements of all pro-gamers, you spit on the very act of playing games, on a portal for Starcraft 2. Also, in my opinion, you took a crap on all the esports content providers by calling interviews boring, which isn't surprising seeing that games are 'a waste of time'. No one needs to hear your opinions. You're either incredibly ignorant or a troll. You wish you were a journalist.
Dude, take it easy. Teamliquid.net is my daily site to go to. I spit on no one. I LOVE the content people here bring us in their free time. I BUY Nasl and GomTV passes. I disable my AdBlocker for TL.net. I do lots of voluntary work, not here on TL, but in my life.
If you don't want to hear my opinions, ignore them. JP asked for questions we find interesting, I wrote them down.
On December 21 2011 19:46 nalgene wrote: Similarly, you are on an internet forum when there's starving children in Africa... that's pretty much what you're saying... kind of...
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
It's the phrasing of your questions that is condescending.
On December 21 2011 19:39 lisward wrote: You insult the gaming community by insulting the hard work and achievements of all pro-gamers, you spit on the very act of playing games, on a portal for Starcraft 2. Also, in my opinion, you took a crap on all the esports content providers by calling interviews boring, which isn't surprising seeing that games are 'a waste of time'. No one needs to hear your opinions. You're either incredibly ignorant or a troll. You wish you were a journalist.
Dude, take it easy. Teamliquid.net is my daily site to go to. I spit on no one. I LOVE the content people here bring us in their free time. I BUY Nasl and GomTV passes. I disable my AdBlocker for TL.net. I do lots of voluntary work, not here on TL, but in my life.
If you don't want to hear my opinions, ignore them. JP asked for questions we find interesting, I wrote them down.
And I AM a journalist.
Seriously? You must not get much information out of people.
On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote: Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there: What will you do after progaming? Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go.... How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game? Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful? Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when? Up to what age do you think you can be successful? Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising? How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds? Do you think Korea should be reunificated? Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games? What is your salary? Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down? If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ???
Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all?
Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
Why would you ask a Starcraft player on a Starcraft show to answer political questions? Why not ask him how many times he has sex a week, that's just as relevant as your questions
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in?
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"?
Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society.
But there area questions in this world (like: Is it worth wasting my time with playing a computer game or should I get good grades at the university?) that occupy myself. And therefore I'm wondering what people that I'm looking up to think about them. These were questions I would ask, don't claim that they would be interesting for everybody here.
Aaaaand... I think it's the 21th century.
You are a fool to think that joining the army is 'not so useful' because you seem to have no immediate threats. Having an army is part and parcel of detering external threats from occurring. Getting grades has nothing to do with playing video games, if your game time affects your grades it's poor time management, not video games. Unless you're talkin about playing video games 'professionally'.
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in?
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"?
Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society.
But there area questions in this world (like: Is it worth wasting my time with playing a computer game or should I get good grades at the university?) that occupy myself. And therefore I'm wondering what people that I'm looking up to think about them. These were questions I would ask, don't claim that they would be interesting for everybody here.
Aaaaand... I think it's the 21th century.
This is why I asked what century you live in. An athlete may not grow crops, but s/he will give the farmers a sense of unity with their peers as well as a venue for relaxation to balance their fatigue--increasing their work efficiency. A soldier may not need to always respond to an active military threat, but s/he gives the citizens peace of mind and facilitates the prevention of any need for military action, potentially reducing the occurrences of unforeseen costs/damages. There's a reason why organization/companies are competing on more qualitative fronts than quantitative in today's business environment.
That being said I'm going to stop responding to your posts since this doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
Didn't you guys know that journalist are actually really bad at their jobs? You're questions are really inappropriate. You could just as well ask picasso why he wastes his time drawing shitty pictures anybody could make instead of working on a farm. Nestea and MVP have worked 10x as hard as you have and entertainment isn't waste of time. Sure you could live with in a black room with 21C temperature and potatoes, vitamins and water brought to you every 3 hours, but that life would be torture.
EDIT: MVP and Nestea have worked hard to make all of our lives better and give us heroes to look up to.
On December 21 2011 19:44 Jeity wrote: You completely ignored my point. North Korea is relevant to South Korea, but that's the case for every single person living there. Pro-gamers are no different from any other citizen in that regard because gaming is not a differentiating factor at all. You can ask a pro-gamer what they think and then any other person of a similar age and you'll likely get the same response. Nestea is no better equipped to answer such a question than any of my Korean friends are. Should I go ask them those questions for you?
I don't know all the other koreans of similar age. I do know who Nestea is, and I find it interesting what he has to say. About his life, About his career. About his goals on earth. What you are saying, we should people ask about stuff they know, about topics where they are experts. I say, if someone is of public interest, he can comment on everything that is of public (eg sc2-community-)interest.
And yeah, it would really interest me to hear what you and your friends think about it, I'm planning to go to South Korea somewhen next year and write about some topics, Starcraft included... To be fair, I realize that the question about the Korean Reunification was a bit over the edge to ask on a show that only caters to gamers, but I PERSONALLY would find it interesting nonetheless.
On December 21 2011 19:39 lisward wrote: You insult the gaming community by insulting the hard work and achievements of all pro-gamers, you spit on the very act of playing games, on a portal for Starcraft 2. Also, in my opinion, you took a crap on all the esports content providers by calling interviews boring, which isn't surprising seeing that games are 'a waste of time'. No one needs to hear your opinions. You're either incredibly ignorant or a troll. You wish you were a journalist.
Dude, take it easy. Teamliquid.net is my daily site to go to. I spit on no one. I LOVE the content people here bring us in their free time. I BUY Nasl and GomTV passes. I disable my AdBlocker for TL.net. I do lots of voluntary work, not here on TL, but in my life.
If you don't want to hear my opinions, ignore them. JP asked for questions we find interesting, I wrote them down.
And I AM a journalist.
You do realize that teamliquid is an esports website right? And you called esports a waste of time, you said that pro-gamers waste their time, compounding that with an assertion that following their passion makes them inferior to people who choose an academic path. That's a direct insult to pro-gamers, and perhaps an indirect insult to the people who invest their time and hard work into delivering quality esports content to us, because they believe in it. That's an insult to the fans of esports, because what you are basically saying is, our passion, is a waste of time.
On December 21 2011 19:53 Jeity wrote: This is why I asked what century you live in. An athlete may not grow crops, but s/he will give the farmers a sense of unity with their peers as well as a venue for relaxation to balance their fatigue--increasing their work efficiency. A soldier may not need to always respond to an active military threat, but s/he gives the citizens peace of mind and facilitates the prevention of any need for military action, potentially reducing the occurrences of unforeseen costs/damages. There's a reason why organization/companies are competing on more qualitative fronts than quantitative in today's business environment.
That being said I'm going to stop responding to your posts since this doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
I never said that soldiers and athletes are worthless or of no benefit for a modern society. I said, that they are LESS important. (yeah you could argue, but certain historical facts point towards that, like in the european middle ages, people focused on growing crops, and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs).
On December 21 2011 19:49 Defacer wrote: Seriously? You must not get much information out of people.
I do. If you understand german, I could send you some interviews.
I work as a journalist in Sweden and I would never phrase the questions like you just did. The questions could be interesting, but asking them in a passive agressive form with your own subjective truths (meaningless job, wasting his best years) will never get good answers.
Also, could you imagine a world without sports, books, movies, art, games and music? Meaningful jobs would only be to serve the society? Maybe North-Korea would fit like a role model then. But I would surely hate it.
You do realize that teamliquid is an esports website right? And you called esports a waste of time, you said that pro-gamers waste their time, compounding that with an assertion that following their passion makes them inferior to people who choose an academic path. That's a direct insult to pro-gamers, and perhaps an indirect insult to the people who invest their time and hard work into delivering quality esports content to us, because they believe in it. That's an insult to the fans of esports, because what you are basically saying is, our passion, is a waste of time.
I do, and I apologize for that. That's not the impression I wanted to create. I try to phrase my point better:
I think there are more important things on Earth than playing Starcraft 2. I do play Starcraft 2 a lot. I like it. But I struggle with it, because it is, in my opinion, less worthwile for the society than other things. I wonder if I could do it as a professional. I wonder if Nestea has the same thoughts and want to ask him, what he thinks about it.
On December 21 2011 20:08 Loooui wrote: I work as a journalist in Sweden and I would never phrase the questions like you just did. The questions could be interesting, but asking them in a passive agressive form with your own subjective truths (meaningless job, wasting his best years) will never get good answers.
Also, could you imagine a world without sports, books, movies, art, games and music? Meaningful jobs would only be to serve the society? Maybe North-Korea would fit like a role model then. But I would surely hate it.
Phrasing was bad, I know :-/ Yeah, I would hate it. But I live in Switzerland, one of the richest countries on Earth. I'm spoiled and wealthy.
On December 21 2011 19:53 Jeity wrote: This is why I asked what century you live in. An athlete may not grow crops, but s/he will give the farmers a sense of unity with their peers as well as a venue for relaxation to balance their fatigue--increasing their work efficiency. A soldier may not need to always respond to an active military threat, but s/he gives the citizens peace of mind and facilitates the prevention of any need for military action, potentially reducing the occurrences of unforeseen costs/damages. There's a reason why organization/companies are competing on more qualitative fronts than quantitative in today's business environment.
That being said I'm going to stop responding to your posts since this doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
I never said that soldiers and athletes are worthless or of no benefit for a modern society. I said, that they are LESS important. (yeah you could argue, but certain historical facts point towards that, like in the european middle ages, people focused on growing crops, and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs).
Let's stop altogether.
Post better and more questions!
The Maslow's Hierachy of needs is a theory on psychology on the innate needs of a human being, most commonly taught in marketing courses. It's a model used by marketers to better understand and determine the needs of consumers and develop products that satisfy those needs. I don't even know why you posted that. But I'm going to stop feeding you.
On December 21 2011 18:56 Hardigan wrote: where do you work? at "Blick am abend"??? You want to justify those hurtful questions with "independant journalism"? Those are at most paparazzi questions.
No, I do not and I never will work at BaA. I don't like the colors and I don't like the content
Folks, I do respect we are all gamers here, but gaming is nothing but amusement for the people. Like popmusic, like wrestling, like tv series, like comic books etc... You could kind of argue that it's a form of "art", but seriously? I really would like to know what the korean progamers think about their "jobs". How they justify choosing gaming over an academic career studying law or economics in front of their families? I mean, that's a serious question. I'm thinking about that every time I play the game instead of doing something else. What's it for? In short: It's a waste of time.
And I truly think that all the eSports Interviews out there are simply frickin' boring. I stopped reading them a long time ago.
But we're derailing here, let's gather more questions, JP can choose the ones I want. We can discuss over PMs or, maybe, I'll write a blog sometime and then let's discuss there...
While there may be some merit to the content of your questions (I'd be genuinely interested to know why nestea decided to pursue sc2 over other life choices for example), they are incredibly rude and loaded with petty spite and innuendo.
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in?
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"?
Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society.
This argument is terrible.
So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society. Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"? Please lighten up before you agressively post ignorant opinions that even many centuries ago people already knew were wrong.
Nobody needs journalists who dont know what they talk about and only focus on catering to the baser human instincts. People will become dumber if the real information they learn has to compete with such bullcrap.
And your attempt at excusing your offensive questions is just sad. If you want to shit on people, then do it, but claiming at the same time that you really dont is just hilarious and not something that you can decide or argument anyways. If you think for yourself playing is a waste of time, then you should maybe write a blog about it, not confront people who earn a fortune from playing.
Is a guy being a progamer something girls are looking for in South Korea or not? Do progamers have this "nerd"-stigma in South Korea too? Is it difficult maintainig a relationship while living in one of these progamer houses? Are woman allowed there? May they visit? ... ...
On December 21 2011 20:22 perestain wrote: This argument is terrible. So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society. Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"?
Yeah... Now could discuss if this panem-et-circences-policy of the Roman emperors was "good" or "bad" or whatever.
More questions! I'm really looking forward to the Interview. Let's stop being butthurt about me saying all you guys care about is pointless and let's actually think about stuff that would be interesting to ask the greatest SC2-Zerg of all time!
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in?
On December 21 2011 19:31 blackone wrote:
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"?
Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society.
This argument is terrible.
So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society. Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"? Please lighten up before you agressively post ignorant opinions that even many centuries ago people already knew were wrong.
Nobody needs journalists who dont know what they talk about and only focus on catering to the baser human instincts. People will become dumber if the real information they learn has to compete with such bullcrap.
And your attempt at excusing your offensive questions is just sad. If you want to shit on people, then do it, but claiming at the same time that you really dont is just hilarious and not something that you can decide or argument anyways. If you think for yourself playing is a waste of time, then you should maybe write a blog about it, not confront people who earn a fortune from playing.
Sports entertainment industry is a huge industry that rakes in big dollars every year, which means more money, more money means more jobs, which means big economic impact. The same can be said to a smaller extent to esports.
Did you ever play Poker or Chess? How'd you like it? Did you try 2v2 in SC2? Do you like it or not and why? Should there be 2v2 in SC2? Couldn't you try to convince Reach to pick up SC2? Where do you see Starcraft 2 in 5 years? Do your skills as a progamer help to get a job in the private economy? If you would describe your fellow progamers Nestea, MVP, Losira, Yoda, Fenix as an animal, which would you choose and why?
On December 21 2011 20:22 perestain wrote: This argument is terrible. So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society. Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"?
Yeah... Now could discuss if this panem-et-circences-policy of the Roman emperors was "good" or "bad" or whatever.
It is not a matter of good or bad., and I doubt many people are interested in roman emperors.
The profound thing that can be learned is that society needs entertainment to be satisfied and stable. Otherwise people will have too much time on their hands to discover how much they are getting betrayed by the political/economical system and eventually rise up. No continuation of the status quo without entertainment.
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in?
On December 21 2011 19:31 blackone wrote:
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"?
Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society.
This argument is terrible.
So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society. Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"? Please lighten up before you agressively post ignorant opinions that even many centuries ago people already knew were wrong.
Nobody needs journalists who dont know what they talk about and only focus on catering to the baser human instincts. People will become dumber if the real information they learn has to compete with such bullcrap.
And your attempt at excusing your offensive questions is just sad. If you want to shit on people, then do it, but claiming at the same time that you really dont is just hilarious and not something that you can decide or argument anyways. If you think for yourself playing is a waste of time, then you should maybe write a blog about it, not confront people who earn a fortune from playing.
Juvenal is not Julius Caesar.
Aside from that correction i actually agree with you. The relative worth and meaning of an occupation is something you can only decide for yourselve. I will spend my life teaching people (most likely) even if i could make far more money working as a lawyer, but for myself the lower income job is definitly the one where i am happier.
Could a pro gamer make more money, or spend his time better on another job? Certainly, but they seem to be happy with their decision.
If the poster you were quoting truly is a Journalist then i am appaled at the way he phrases his questions. They definitly are not phrased properly for a "friendly" interview.
On December 21 2011 20:22 perestain wrote: This argument is terrible. So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society. Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"?
Yeah... Now could discuss if this panem-et-circences-policy of the Roman emperors was "good" or "bad" or whatever.
More questions! I'm really looking forward to the Interview. Let's stop being butthurt about me saying all you guys care about is pointless and let's actually think about stuff that would be interesting to ask the greatest SC2-Zerg of all time!
You seem to denigrate the pro-gamers as a profession and hold up other things as more honorable; I ask you to consider that pursuing your goals in life despite the negative perception (by people with your worldview) is in fact an honorable thing to do. We should all be pursuing our dreams. Be wary of giving your dreams a higher value than another person's.
As a journalist you should understand how important tone is in addition to the content of the question. Your tone on many of your posts in this thread is to denigrate a man's life work, something he is widely acclaimed for. It is understandable posters have reacted negatively to you. Your inability to see that is perplexing. If you had posed the question, "Do you think you'll ever have any regrets about becoming a pro-gamer?", that would have received less negative feedback, while getting at one of the same issues you were asking about. Instead you used inflammatory and negative phrasing.
I think asking NesTea about his non-SC2 life is also interesting, but I also believe your choice of questions was poorly worded. Just because your questions were not received well does not mean I only care about pointless things.
On December 21 2011 20:08 Loooui wrote: I work as a journalist in Sweden and I would never phrase the questions like you just did. The questions could be interesting, but asking them in a passive agressive form with your own subjective truths (meaningless job, wasting his best years) will never get good answers.
Also, could you imagine a world without sports, books, movies, art, games and music? Meaningful jobs would only be to serve the society? Maybe North-Korea would fit like a role model then. But I would surely hate it.
Phrasing was bad, I know :-/ Yeah, I would hate it. But I live in Switzerland, one of the richest countries on Earth. I'm spoiled and wealthy.
Sounds like you're just an arrogant ass to be frank, I'll probably be warned for this post but whatever. If you really want to know about the North and South Korean conflicts just read up on the history of them and then more recent events.
1) Please ask MVP: Why do Terran players not build Ravens in TvZ that often to more easily kill creep and protect against burrowed banelings? Do they just get sniped by mutalisks too easily, or is there no place in most build orders for it?
2) To both: In interviews with Korean programers (especially MC), many of them talk talk about practicing with players from other teams for match ups in the GSL, and how they buy food for each other. MC has noted a few times that he is friends with many programers, and MVP usually lists 5-10 other players that have helped him practice for his latest GSL game. It seems like Korean progaming culture is a very close knit community among the players beyond their teams. First, is this accurate, or do players naturally tend to be closer friends with their teams? Second, if it is, why do you think that is?
This question might seem pointless, but in some other threads there has been discussion about how the financial value seems to be a great motivator for a lot of players (deservedly so), but just having a financial or competitive motivator does not necessarily create friends outside of a team. The Korean programers seem to all be very friendly with each other regardless of whether they win or lose against each other.
3) To both: Despite not using it often, it seems like many Koreans are able to understand and speak some English. Is English more/less/neutral popular for programers compared to the general Korean population? Do teams push players to learn English to make them more marketable towards foreign fans?
4) To both: Among the foreign community, a lot of figures have come out saying that changing your gamer tag too often is not good for your marketability among fans since they may have more difficulty rooting for players or getting to know their styles. Korean gamers seem to change their gaming tags quite often. Why is that the case? Do Korean fans care less about the gaming tag? Have Korean players considered that foreign fans are more familiar with the gaming tag rather than the players' actual names, or is that not a factor?
5) To Nestea: Is he aware that he is Artosis's favorite player, and does he know about all of the feats that Artosis attributes to him (including apparently all of us just being part of his dream)?
6) To MVP: What does he think of his nickname, "The Game Genie Terran"?
7) To MVP: This isn't really a question, but I remember reading an interview with MVP where he says that he does not have many fans (I assume because he wins too much and people like underdogs), but I wanted to let him know that he has a lot of foreign fans, and despite my affinity for Protoss he is my favorite player. MVP fighting! ^_^
On December 24 2011 15:56 flowSthead wrote: Thank you for doing this interview JP.
1) Please ask MVP: Why do Terran players not build Ravens in TvZ that often to more easily kill creep and protect against burrowed banelings? Do they just get sniped by mutalisks too easily, or is there no place in most build orders for it?
It drives me crazy every time casters complain about this.
Most people don't know that the Raven only has a detection radius of 9 (despite its vision of 11). Observers and Overseers have detection range 11, which makes superior as mobile detectors.
So even if you put your Raven at the front of your army, the area it detects is only (1/2) Pi*9^2 = 40.5*pi squares. In reality you will want to keep your Raven further back so it doesn't get sniped, which reduces its effective detection radius even further.
Scan has a radius of 13. It can't be killed or denied like a Raven, and by not using MULEs you extend the life of your mineral patches. And because you can plop it anywhere on the map, you get detection of the full diameter. Pi*13^2 = 169*pi squares.
So scan covers 4x the amount of area compared to the Raven. Another thing is that if you have good reason to fear baneling landmines, chances are pretty high that the Zerg army is nearby. Its pretty rare for a Zerg to send 2 Banelings alone cross map. But it is common to burrow 2 banelings from a massive Ling/Bling ball while roaming about the map. In that scenario you want to scan ahead to spot the army anyway; catching the baneling landmines is just a nice bonus.
The infastructure costs (Starport+tech lab) are not that big of a deal. The problem is with the Raven is itself as a unit: in large numbers they are extremely powerful, but in small numbers they get sniped too easily. Unlike in TvT and TvP, PDD is not very useful in TvZ, you can only use it on Mutas. Autoturret slow pushing is great vs Zerg, but you can't do that with just 1 Raven.
On December 24 2011 15:56 flowSthead wrote: Thank you for doing this interview JP.
1) Please ask MVP: Why do Terran players not build Ravens in TvZ that often to more easily kill creep and protect against burrowed banelings? Do they just get sniped by mutalisks too easily, or is there no place in most build orders for it?
It drives me crazy every time casters complain about this.
Most people don't know that the Raven only has a detection radius of 9 (despite its vision of 11). Observers and Overseers have detection range 11, which makes superior as mobile detectors.
I just tested this. It isn't true and I have no idea where you would have got this notion.
On December 21 2011 20:22 perestain wrote: This argument is terrible. So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society. Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"?
Yeah... Now could discuss if this panem-et-circences-policy of the Roman emperors was "good" or "bad" or whatever.
More questions! I'm really looking forward to the Interview. Let's stop being butthurt about me saying all you guys care about is pointless and let's actually think about stuff that would be interesting to ask the greatest SC2-Zerg of all time!
You seem to denigrate the pro-gamers as a profession and hold up other things as more honorable; I ask you to consider that pursuing your goals in life despite the negative perception (by people with your worldview) is in fact an honorable thing to do. We should all be pursuing our dreams. Be wary of giving your dreams a higher value than another person's.
As a journalist you should understand how important tone is in addition to the content of the question. Your tone on many of your posts in this thread is to denigrate a man's life work, something he is widely acclaimed for. It is understandable posters have reacted negatively to you. Your inability to see that is perplexing. If you had posed the question, "Do you think you'll ever have any regrets about becoming a pro-gamer?", that would have received less negative feedback, while getting at one of the same issues you were asking about. Instead you used inflammatory and negative phrasing.
I think asking NesTea about his non-SC2 life is also interesting, but I also believe your choice of questions was poorly worded. Just because your questions were not received well does not mean I only care about pointless things.
I think that suggestion was practically trolling. What I got out of it was "Hey let's invite the best SC2 progamers to date on our show about progaming and then tell them that progaming is a waste of time!" I thought it was kind of funny
Thing is though, even if you wanted to turn it into a real question that would be appropriate for the interview, it's kind of a cliche. I wouldn't be surprised if you could already find an interview where they respond to stereotypes about gamers/parents reaction to gaming etc. etc.
On December 24 2011 15:56 flowSthead wrote: Thank you for doing this interview JP.
1) Please ask MVP: Why do Terran players not build Ravens in TvZ that often to more easily kill creep and protect against burrowed banelings? Do they just get sniped by mutalisks too easily, or is there no place in most build orders for it?
It drives me crazy every time casters complain about this.
Most people don't know that the Raven only has a detection radius of 9 (despite its vision of 11). Observers and Overseers have detection range 11, which makes superior as mobile detectors.
I just tested this. It isn't true and I have no idea where you would have got this notion.
Huh. You're right, thanks. I wonder when they fixed that, I don't remember seeing a patch note.
In North America it would be considered a folly to sacrifice your schooling to pursue professional gaming. (ie: Leenock) Do you have any opinion on this and do you think there are any long term effects from a choice like this?
On December 24 2011 22:10 Toastmold wrote: In North America it would be considered a folly to sacrifice your schooling to pursue professional gaming. (ie: Leenock) Do you have any opinion on this and do you think there are any long term effects from a choice like this?
On December 24 2011 22:10 Toastmold wrote: In North America it would be considered a folly to sacrifice your schooling to pursue professional gaming. (ie: Leenock) Do you have any opinion on this and do you think there are any long term effects from a choice like this?
Leenock attends school tho.
At the last MLG ( Providence ) in an interview a question was asked whether Leenock finds it hard to practice and attend school and the translator Hwanni said he doesnt go to school. It would be pretty hard to be that good without being able to dedicate yourself 100%.
On December 24 2011 22:10 Toastmold wrote: In North America it would be considered a folly to sacrifice your schooling to pursue professional gaming. (ie: Leenock) Do you have any opinion on this and do you think there are any long term effects from a choice like this?
Leenock attends school tho.
At the last MLG ( Providence ) in an interview a question was asked whether Leenock finds it hard to practice and attend school and the translator Hwanni said he doesnt go to school. It would be pretty hard to be that good without being able to dedicate yourself 100%.
TLDR: He Doesn't
Polt is pretty amazing and goes to an elite university. Nada does well too.
On December 24 2011 22:10 Toastmold wrote: In North America it would be considered a folly to sacrifice your schooling to pursue professional gaming. (ie: Leenock) Do you have any opinion on this and do you think there are any long term effects from a choice like this?
Leenock attends school tho.
At the last MLG ( Providence ) in an interview a question was asked whether Leenock finds it hard to practice and attend school and the translator Hwanni said he doesnt go to school. It would be pretty hard to be that good without being able to dedicate yourself 100%.
TLDR: He Doesn't
Polt is pretty amazing and goes to an elite university. Nada does well too.
That has nothing to do with my post. The question was whether Leenock goes to school and the answer is he doesn't.
On December 24 2011 22:10 Toastmold wrote: In North America it would be considered a folly to sacrifice your schooling to pursue professional gaming. (ie: Leenock) Do you have any opinion on this and do you think there are any long term effects from a choice like this?
Leenock attends school tho.
At the last MLG ( Providence ) in an interview a question was asked whether Leenock finds it hard to practice and attend school and the translator Hwanni said he doesnt go to school. It would be pretty hard to be that good without being able to dedicate yourself 100%.
TLDR: He Doesn't
Polt is pretty amazing and goes to an elite university. Nada does well too.
That has nothing to do with my post. The question was whether Leenock goes to school and the answer is he doesn't.
On December 24 2011 22:10 Toastmold wrote: In North America it would be considered a folly to sacrifice your schooling to pursue professional gaming. (ie: Leenock) Do you have any opinion on this and do you think there are any long term effects from a choice like this?
Leenock attends school tho.
At the last MLG ( Providence ) in an interview a question was asked whether Leenock finds it hard to practice and attend school and the translator Hwanni said he doesnt go to school. It would be pretty hard to be that good without being able to dedicate yourself 100%.
TLDR: He Doesn't
Polt is pretty amazing and goes to an elite university. Nada does well too.
That has nothing to do with my post. The question was whether Leenock goes to school and the answer is he doesn't.
did this ever actually happen? if so- what episode (link plz) Im pretty sure ive watched every state of the game recently and i dont remember mvp or nestea coming on.
On December 12 2011 13:59 Loki57 wrote: Ask MVP to finally settle the mech debate for Artosis!
He did. IIRC, he said he disagrees with Artosis that mech is the only way to play, and that mech and bio are both fine because they both transition to sky-terran.
I echo the 'question' someone posted above - we need to let NesTea know how much Artosis loves him. XD
On December 24 2011 22:10 Toastmold wrote: In North America it would be considered a folly to sacrifice your schooling to pursue professional gaming. (ie: Leenock) Do you have any opinion on this and do you think there are any long term effects from a choice like this?
Leenock attends school tho.
At the last MLG ( Providence ) in an interview a question was asked whether Leenock finds it hard to practice and attend school and the translator Hwanni said he doesnt go to school. It would be pretty hard to be that good without being able to dedicate yourself 100%.
TLDR: He Doesn't
Polt is pretty amazing and goes to an elite university. Nada does well too.
The thing is Nada doesnt go to university to study, he did that for a way different reason ^^
EPT
Can't wait for this.
This is a seriously awesome event, will most definitely tune in :D
