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On December 21 2011 18:49 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 18:27 Lixo wrote:On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote:
Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there:
What will you do after progaming?
Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go....
How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game?
Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful?
Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when?
Up to what age do you think you can be successful?
Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising?
How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds?
Do you think Korea should be reunificated?
Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games?
What is your salary?
Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down?
If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ??? Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all? Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
It's the phrasing of your questions that is condescending.
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On December 21 2011 19:46 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:39 lisward wrote:
You insult the gaming community by insulting the hard work and achievements of all pro-gamers, you spit on the very act of playing games, on a portal for Starcraft 2. Also, in my opinion, you took a crap on all the esports content providers by calling interviews boring, which isn't surprising seeing that games are 'a waste of time'. No one needs to hear your opinions. You're either incredibly ignorant or a troll. You wish you were a journalist. Dude, take it easy. Teamliquid.net is my daily site to go to. I spit on no one. I LOVE the content people here bring us in their free time. I BUY Nasl and GomTV passes. I disable my AdBlocker for TL.net. I do lots of voluntary work, not here on TL, but in my life. If you don't want to hear my opinions, ignore them. JP asked for questions we find interesting, I wrote them down. And I AM a journalist.
Seriously? You must not get much information out of people.
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On December 21 2011 18:49 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 18:27 Lixo wrote:On December 21 2011 17:50 pampelmus wrote:
Well, I would like to hear some questions NOT about the game itself:
Nestea, as you are one of the oldest progamers out there:
What will you do after progaming?
Do you think about it? Does it worry you? You've got 30 years to go....
How do you explain to your children that you spent your best years playing a video game?
Did you never have the urge to do something meaningful?
Do you feel your mechanics to get worse with your age? Since when?
Up to what age do you think you can be successful?
Up to which supply do you plan your builds, when do you start improvising?
How do you prepare for your opponents and how do you adapt your builds?
Do you think Korea should be reunificated?
Why do you think Korea has this culture of playing video games?
What is your salary?
Do a lot of players drink and smoke? Do you need to smoke to calm you down?
If you had a child like 12 years old, would you teach him Starcraft and encourage him to choose a gaming career?
You realize most of your questions can be VERY hurtful and are for the most very aggressive. "You waste your life, do something meaningful (I don't even know what do you mean by that, work in an office ?), you are old, arn't you ashamed in front of your children...". And the question on north/south Korea... Why would you ask about that to Nestea ? I mean it's a very deep and complicated topic, what do you expect him to answer ??? Well, they are not hurtful or agressive, these are just some ideas for this "independant journalistic approach" people call for. Questions like these I ask swiss sportsmen and politictians all the time here in Switzerland. People can always say "I don't want to answer that". As for the Korea question: I wouldn't want him to explain me the situation, but to hear his thoughts on that. I mean, people are dying in the North and the South is playing video games. Does the North share interest in gaming? Do people in South Korea thing about this topic at all? Ok, well, most people would just want to know "omg u hate naniwa now or whut?"...
Why would you ask a Starcraft player on a Starcraft show to answer political questions? Why not ask him how many times he has sex a week, that's just as relevant as your questions
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On December 21 2011 19:41 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:28 Jeity wrote:
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in? Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:31 blackone wrote:
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"? Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society. But there area questions in this world (like: Is it worth wasting my time with playing a computer game or should I get good grades at the university?) that occupy myself. And therefore I'm wondering what people that I'm looking up to think about them. These were questions I would ask, don't claim that they would be interesting for everybody here. Aaaaand... I think it's the 21th century.
You are a fool to think that joining the army is 'not so useful' because you seem to have no immediate threats. Having an army is part and parcel of detering external threats from occurring. Getting grades has nothing to do with playing video games, if your game time affects your grades it's poor time management, not video games. Unless you're talkin about playing video games 'professionally'.
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On December 21 2011 19:41 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:28 Jeity wrote:
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in? Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:31 blackone wrote:
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"? Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society. But there area questions in this world (like: Is it worth wasting my time with playing a computer game or should I get good grades at the university?) that occupy myself. And therefore I'm wondering what people that I'm looking up to think about them. These were questions I would ask, don't claim that they would be interesting for everybody here. Aaaaand... I think it's the 21th century.
This is why I asked what century you live in. An athlete may not grow crops, but s/he will give the farmers a sense of unity with their peers as well as a venue for relaxation to balance their fatigue--increasing their work efficiency. A soldier may not need to always respond to an active military threat, but s/he gives the citizens peace of mind and facilitates the prevention of any need for military action, potentially reducing the occurrences of unforeseen costs/damages. There's a reason why organization/companies are competing on more qualitative fronts than quantitative in today's business environment.
That being said I'm going to stop responding to your posts since this doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
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Didn't you guys know that journalist are actually really bad at their jobs? You're questions are really inappropriate. You could just as well ask picasso why he wastes his time drawing shitty pictures anybody could make instead of working on a farm. Nestea and MVP have worked 10x as hard as you have and entertainment isn't waste of time. Sure you could live with in a black room with 21C temperature and potatoes, vitamins and water brought to you every 3 hours, but that life would be torture.
EDIT: MVP and Nestea have worked hard to make all of our lives better and give us heroes to look up to.
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On December 21 2011 19:44 Jeity wrote:
You completely ignored my point. North Korea is relevant to South Korea, but that's the case for every single person living there. Pro-gamers are no different from any other citizen in that regard because gaming is not a differentiating factor at all. You can ask a pro-gamer what they think and then any other person of a similar age and you'll likely get the same response. Nestea is no better equipped to answer such a question than any of my Korean friends are. Should I go ask them those questions for you?
I don't know all the other koreans of similar age. I do know who Nestea is, and I find it interesting what he has to say. About his life, About his career. About his goals on earth.
What you are saying, we should people ask about stuff they know, about topics where they are experts.
I say, if someone is of public interest, he can comment on everything that is of public (eg sc2-community-)interest.
And yeah, it would really interest me to hear what you and your friends think about it, I'm planning to go to South Korea somewhen next year and write about some topics, Starcraft included... To be fair, I realize that the question about the Korean Reunification was a bit over the edge to ask on a show that only caters to gamers, but I PERSONALLY would find it interesting nonetheless.
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On December 21 2011 19:49 Defacer wrote:
Seriously? You must not get much information out of people.
I do. If you understand german, I could send you some interviews.
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On December 21 2011 19:46 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:39 lisward wrote:
You insult the gaming community by insulting the hard work and achievements of all pro-gamers, you spit on the very act of playing games, on a portal for Starcraft 2. Also, in my opinion, you took a crap on all the esports content providers by calling interviews boring, which isn't surprising seeing that games are 'a waste of time'. No one needs to hear your opinions. You're either incredibly ignorant or a troll. You wish you were a journalist. Dude, take it easy. Teamliquid.net is my daily site to go to. I spit on no one. I LOVE the content people here bring us in their free time. I BUY Nasl and GomTV passes. I disable my AdBlocker for TL.net. I do lots of voluntary work, not here on TL, but in my life. If you don't want to hear my opinions, ignore them. JP asked for questions we find interesting, I wrote them down. And I AM a journalist.
You do realize that teamliquid is an esports website right? And you called esports a waste of time, you said that pro-gamers waste their time, compounding that with an assertion that following their passion makes them inferior to people who choose an academic path. That's a direct insult to pro-gamers, and perhaps an indirect insult to the people who invest their time and hard work into delivering quality esports content to us, because they believe in it. That's an insult to the fans of esports, because what you are basically saying is, our passion, is a waste of time.
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On December 21 2011 19:53 Jeity wrote:
This is why I asked what century you live in. An athlete may not grow crops, but s/he will give the farmers a sense of unity with their peers as well as a venue for relaxation to balance their fatigue--increasing their work efficiency. A soldier may not need to always respond to an active military threat, but s/he gives the citizens peace of mind and facilitates the prevention of any need for military action, potentially reducing the occurrences of unforeseen costs/damages. There's a reason why organization/companies are competing on more qualitative fronts than quantitative in today's business environment.
That being said I'm going to stop responding to your posts since this doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
I never said that soldiers and athletes are worthless or of no benefit for a modern society. I said, that they are LESS important. (yeah you could argue, but certain historical facts point towards that, like in the european middle ages, people focused on growing crops, and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs).
Let's stop altogether.
Post better and more questions!
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On December 21 2011 19:57 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:49 Defacer wrote:
Seriously? You must not get much information out of people. I do. If you understand german, I could send you some interviews.
please send me some, I`d be interested in that 
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On December 21 2011 19:57 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:49 Defacer wrote:
Seriously? You must not get much information out of people. I do. If you understand german, I could send you some interviews.
I work as a journalist in Sweden and I would never phrase the questions like you just did. The questions could be interesting, but asking them in a passive agressive form with your own subjective truths (meaningless job, wasting his best years) will never get good answers.
Also, could you imagine a world without sports, books, movies, art, games and music? Meaningful jobs would only be to serve the society? Maybe North-Korea would fit like a role model then. But I would surely hate it.
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On December 21 2011 20:04 lisward wrote:
You do realize that teamliquid is an esports website right? And you called esports a waste of time, you said that pro-gamers waste their time, compounding that with an assertion that following their passion makes them inferior to people who choose an academic path. That's a direct insult to pro-gamers, and perhaps an indirect insult to the people who invest their time and hard work into delivering quality esports content to us, because they believe in it. That's an insult to the fans of esports, because what you are basically saying is, our passion, is a waste of time.
I do, and I apologize for that. That's not the impression I wanted to create. I try to phrase my point better:
I think there are more important things on Earth than playing Starcraft 2. I do play Starcraft 2 a lot. I like it. But I struggle with it, because it is, in my opinion, less worthwile for the society than other things. I wonder if I could do it as a professional. I wonder if Nestea has the same thoughts and want to ask him, what he thinks about it.
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On December 21 2011 20:08 Loooui wrote:
I work as a journalist in Sweden and I would never phrase the questions like you just did. The questions could be interesting, but asking them in a passive agressive form with your own subjective truths (meaningless job, wasting his best years) will never get good answers.
Also, could you imagine a world without sports, books, movies, art, games and music? Meaningful jobs would only be to serve the society? Maybe North-Korea would fit like a role model then. But I would surely hate it.
Phrasing was bad, I know :-/ Yeah, I would hate it. But I live in Switzerland, one of the richest countries on Earth. I'm spoiled and wealthy.
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On December 21 2011 20:05 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:53 Jeity wrote:
This is why I asked what century you live in. An athlete may not grow crops, but s/he will give the farmers a sense of unity with their peers as well as a venue for relaxation to balance their fatigue--increasing their work efficiency. A soldier may not need to always respond to an active military threat, but s/he gives the citizens peace of mind and facilitates the prevention of any need for military action, potentially reducing the occurrences of unforeseen costs/damages. There's a reason why organization/companies are competing on more qualitative fronts than quantitative in today's business environment.
That being said I'm going to stop responding to your posts since this doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I never said that soldiers and athletes are worthless or of no benefit for a modern society. I said, that they are LESS important. (yeah you could argue, but certain historical facts point towards that, like in the european middle ages, people focused on growing crops, and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs). Let's stop altogether. Post better and more questions!
The Maslow's Hierachy of needs is a theory on psychology on the innate needs of a human being, most commonly taught in marketing courses. It's a model used by marketers to better understand and determine the needs of consumers and develop products that satisfy those needs. I don't even know why you posted that. But I'm going to stop feeding you.
On topic.
Ask Nestea about his love life!
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On December 21 2011 19:22 pampelmus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 18:56 Hardigan wrote:
where do you work? at "Blick am abend"??? You want to justify those hurtful questions with "independant journalism"? Those are at most paparazzi questions. No, I do not and I never will work at BaA. I don't like the colors and I don't like the content Folks, I do respect we are all gamers here, but gaming is nothing but amusement for the people. Like popmusic, like wrestling, like tv series, like comic books etc... You could kind of argue that it's a form of "art", but seriously? I really would like to know what the korean progamers think about their "jobs". How they justify choosing gaming over an academic career studying law or economics in front of their families? I mean, that's a serious question. I'm thinking about that every time I play the game instead of doing something else. What's it for? In short: It's a waste of time. And I truly think that all the eSports Interviews out there are simply frickin' boring. I stopped reading them a long time ago. But we're derailing here, let's gather more questions, JP can choose the ones I want. We can discuss over PMs or, maybe, I'll write a blog sometime and then let's discuss there...
Tiger Woods wants a word
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While there may be some merit to the content of your questions (I'd be genuinely interested to know why nestea decided to pursue sc2 over other life choices for example), they are incredibly rude and loaded with petty spite and innuendo.
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[B]On December 21 2011 19:41 pampelmus wrote Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:28 Jeity wrote:
Ask the question then, why do people play sports? Why do they film movies? Why do they compose music, and sing, and dance? I'm not even going to waste my time answering those questions for you--the benefit of the doubt I was giving was clearly misplaced. I realize my tone might be a bit offensive, but seriously...what century do you think we live in? Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 19:31 blackone wrote:
Ok, it seems like this is more about you, and the way you live your life and not about progamers. If Nestea plays the game, he's working on the skills necessary to earn him six figures a year. How would that be a waste of time? Do you really think everything but a 9-5 job in a bank is "meaningless"? Certain professions do have a bigger economic benefit than others. Simplified: Like a teacher or farmer is pretty important, they teach our children and they grow crops. But a sportsmen and a soldier (assuming no real threats, like here in Switzerland) is not that important. What do they do? Sure, my argumentation is a critique of the modern consumer society.
This argument is terrible.
So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society.
Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"?
Please lighten up before you agressively post ignorant opinions that even many centuries ago people already knew were wrong.
Nobody needs journalists who dont know what they talk about and only focus on catering to the baser human instincts. People will become dumber if the real information they learn has to compete with such bullcrap.
And your attempt at excusing your offensive questions is just sad. If you want to shit on people, then do it, but claiming at the same time that you really dont is just hilarious and not something that you can decide or argument anyways. If you think for yourself playing is a waste of time, then you should maybe write a blog about it, not confront people who earn a fortune from playing.
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Ask Nestea about his love life!
Good idea, but I would phrase it differently:
Is a guy being a progamer something girls are looking for in South Korea or not?
Do progamers have this "nerd"-stigma in South Korea too?
Is it difficult maintainig a relationship while living in one of these progamer houses?
Are woman allowed there? May they visit?
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On December 21 2011 20:22 perestain wrote:
This argument is terrible.
So you think sport is not "important" or relevant for society.
Remember Julius Caesar: "panem et circenses"?
Yeah... Now could discuss if this panem-et-circences-policy of the Roman emperors was "good" or "bad" or whatever.
More questions! I'm really looking forward to the Interview. Let's stop being butthurt about me saying all you guys care about is pointless and let's actually think about stuff that would be interesting to ask the greatest SC2-Zerg of all time!
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