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What is the Most Elite Special Forces Unit? - Page 15
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
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adiga
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On November 28 2011 17:57 Robinsa wrote: I think that if you know the name of them, its not them. Probably true. I wish I could mock you with a tinfoil hat joke, but it's seriously likely that there are multiple wet works groups from many powerful nations that we haven't heard of, and won't hear of til they're disbanded. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17255 Posts
On November 28 2011 17:46 Plague1503 wrote: Jack Bauer. /thread no, srsly, I believe that Spetznatz takes the cake. Excerpts from a book written by a Spetznatz defector: Your average training exercise: Why? That's just how they roll. http://www.kampfkunst-board.info/forum/f65/spetsnaz-the-inside-story-of-the-soviet-special-forces-21169/ http://www.amazon.com/Spetsnaz-Inside-Soviet-Special-Forces/dp/0393026140 And wading through chest-deep pools of blood makes you better in combat situations? How exactly? Also, your first quote is true for other SF units too as they have plenty to do during times of peace. Checking out some actions that aren't classified that various SF units were involved in clearly shows that Spetsnaz is probably at the bottom of the pack. | ||
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zdra
Canada26 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
...well, maybe not that far, but it's probably close. However, judging from GDP and defense spending, I'd say that the United States almost certainly has the best-equipped special forces in the world. Whether or not this technological advantage pushes them ahead or behind some other country's special forces is an open question. If I was looking for the country that could produce the best soldiers, I'd look for a country with a reasonably large population that's in a state of total war for a decade or two or three or four, preferably with itself; there's pretty much no amount of training that can teach the real thing as effectively as the real thing. This country would probably be in Africa or something. Of course, best soldiers isn't best special forces. It's not like any African soldier could emulate the intelligence services or technology of a first world nation, both essential for special forces work. | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
On November 28 2011 18:33 Manit0u wrote: And wading through chest-deep pools of blood makes you better in combat situations? How exactly? Also, your first quote is true for other SF units too as they have plenty to do during times of peace. Checking out some actions that aren't classified that various SF units were involved in clearly shows that Spetsnaz is probably at the bottom of the pack. I've seen your posts around, you're definitely biased against Russia in general, not just their troops. The Alpha group is very powerful just as other units of the ex-Spetsnaz. Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm-333 I can talk about the Beschlan school massacre and the theater holding of hostages. I agree that the Beschlan school massacre storm was an idiotic tactic and was a big fail no matter how you take it.... operatives killed, too many innocent deaths etc. You need to take into account it's not only their fault. No SF acts alone, they respond to demands, if the political power says storm, they'll make plan and storm no matter how idiotic it may seem to them. However, i will disagree on the theater case being a failure. Their assault was a success. The fail came from using experimental gases which they haven't sufficiently tested and the dose was too much (killed dozens of innocents)... beside they didn't alert medical personnel about the gas that's been used so they could treat the victims. It's impossible to say who's the best SF. There are dozens, each with it's own specific. Most SF's have been turned into real myths by popular culture. When we think of Spetsnaz for example we think of concrete tough russian no-brainers that all can do is flex muscles. Some groups are more trained and used for urban combat situations, other for commando style actions on enemy territory, some for front breaking, some are intel sf etc. You can't expect urban guerilla specialized SF to do as good in jungle or mountains. You can't put them face to face say fight and pick a winner, they are part of an integrated system. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10700 Posts
“Ten years ago, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum-security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-Team.” | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
They're a great propaganda force to make enemies think twice about attacking, and give moral support to a population at war. Ofcourse identeties of the individuals and whatnot needs to be kept a secret, but the existance of the unit does not. For instance Mossad kidnapping people from all over the world to bring them to 'justice' in Israel is a fairly popular theme in movies, right? Everyone knows of BOPE, the SEALs, SAS etc. It's good publicity. When it comes to spies and whatnot, then it's a whole different story. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
The only way of meassurement mentioned in the op is "most trained". What does most trained mean? Also, is the most elite team the team that could beat the other teams or the one best fit for their job? Aditionally, only because you have the craziest training doesn't mean you are the best team. I think for any serious discussion everyone making a post would have to say how he defines "most elite team". | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
Otherwise, a bunch of guys in a darkened room in a trailer, on a boat, or on a plane, controlling UAVs that shoot missiles and drop bombs out of the sky without warning that can be launched anywhere on earth at any time, whether to do surgical strikes or take out entire blocks at a time. | ||
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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
What happens here in Brazil is the following: They warn everyone that they will get into the favelas and clean it up 1+ weeks beforehand The important people (traffic bosses and stuff) go away to hide somewhere else, leaving only the regular citizens and drug users there. They go up the hill with the support of the Army and Navy and a bunch of tanks against no resistance at all, collecting w/e they find. Basically, it's the government advertising and trying to buy more votes, while keeping Brazil's good image out there. There is absolutely NO RISK for the people involved in those operations. BOPE is just a regular special force like any other with a cool movie to back its name, just like SWAT. | ||
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MiyaviTeddy
Canada697 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
Most famous ones Delta Force (US army) Seal Teams (US Marines) KSK Kommando Spezialkräfte (German Special forces) Groupe d'intervention de la Gendarmerie nationale (GIGN) (French special forces) SAS - Special Air servicesBritish Army Special forces) Special Boat services (SBS - British Navy special forces) United Kingdom Special Forces (UKSF - UK combination of air, army, navy) Joint Task force 2 (Canadian Army/Navy Special forces) Spetnaz (Russian Army special forces) BOPE (Special Police Operations Battalion ) - More of a police Unit akin to SWAT than a military unit COMSUBIN (Italian navy special forces) Those are the big ones that I can think of right now, although every country would most likely have some sort of military based unit. Im sure the Chinese have a big one, but I cant remember its name atm. | ||
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RabidSeagull
United States220 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 28 2011 06:49 feanor1 wrote: Um Russia has an 2,000,000 armed forces members including reserves. The US has about 3,000,000 including reserves. Also Defense Spending by Country in Billions ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/0b7ea9b398bc3d1defb7852c62eb50e3.png) The US spends almost as much as the rest of the world COMBINED Pretty clear that if any country has a technological at advantage it is going to be the US. They spend that much money on their military, and still the swedish submarine HMS Gotland humiliated the US Navy during their war games in 2006.  | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On November 29 2011 02:05 Holgerius wrote: They spend that much money on their military, and still the swedish submarine HMS Gotland humiliated the US Navy during their war games in 2006. Sweden have crazy tech when it comes to war machines though  On an infantry level though I dont think there's much disputing that America is leaps and bounds ahead of pretty much everyone.As far as best trained or what was it "most elite"? special forces though, i dont see how you can go with anything other than the SAS :3 | ||
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mrafaeldie12
Brazil537 Posts
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
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