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wanghis
Profile Joined July 2011
United States320 Posts
December 12 2011 01:30 GMT
#501
On December 12 2011 10:21 IntoTheheart wrote:
JTF2? CSIS? C'mon Canadians. REPRESENT!

not to mention the mounties hurr durr
是那种想到他每天训练14个小时好辛苦就很心疼就想给他揉揉肩煲煲汤的那种爱
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
December 12 2011 01:44 GMT
#502
On November 29 2011 01:29 Hoon wrote:
For everyone saying that BOPE has balls to get into the favelas and shit, don't get trolled by the news and a fancy movie.

What happens here in Brazil is the following:
They warn everyone that they will get into the favelas and clean it up 1+ weeks beforehand
The important people (traffic bosses and stuff) go away to hide somewhere else, leaving only the regular citizens and drug users there.
They go up the hill with the support of the Army and Navy and a bunch of tanks against no resistance at all, collecting w/e they find.

Basically, it's the government advertising and trying to buy more votes, while keeping Brazil's good image out there.

There is absolutely NO RISK for the people involved in those operations.

BOPE is just a regular special force like any other with a cool movie to back its name, just like SWAT.


That only happened in the major occupations when they drove the drug dealers out of the favelas.

Usually BOPE just does smash and grab operations, or hostage rescues, or drug aprehensions, but the favelas were left alone and new drug dealers appeared, in these opperations bigtime bosses were executed, and the politicians didnt like it at all because they are all on the payroll

So now whenver theres an operation they announce it before hand so the bandits can run
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
arthurrr157
Profile Joined November 2010
United States118 Posts
December 12 2011 02:04 GMT
#503
The ones you don't know about
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
December 12 2011 02:10 GMT
#504
On December 12 2011 10:30 wanghis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 10:21 IntoTheheart wrote:
JTF2? CSIS? C'mon Canadians. REPRESENT!

not to mention the mounties hurr durr


I'd love to see YOU fight off a cavalry lance charge...
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gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
December 12 2011 02:32 GMT
#505
On December 12 2011 11:04 arthurrr157 wrote:
The ones you don't know about

this
Not even death can save you from me.
Trashie
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway131 Posts
December 12 2011 03:06 GMT
#506
On November 28 2011 02:16 Stress wrote:
As a person from the USA I'm inclined to lean towards Seal Team 6 because they use hand picked members from all the other Seal Teams. On the other hand, I have seen footage of how the Spetsnaz train and it is insane. I also like how they handle their business(see Moscow theater hostage crisis).

You mean the crisis where they managed to kill 120 out of the 800 hostages themselves?

Anyway, people are way to biased here. This thread is summed up by hearsay and propaganda.
Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
December 12 2011 03:49 GMT
#507
On December 12 2011 12:06 Trashie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 02:16 Stress wrote:
As a person from the USA I'm inclined to lean towards Seal Team 6 because they use hand picked members from all the other Seal Teams. On the other hand, I have seen footage of how the Spetsnaz train and it is insane. I also like how they handle their business(see Moscow theater hostage crisis).

You mean the crisis where they managed to kill 120 out of the 800 hostages themselves?

Anyway, people are way to biased here. This thread is summed up by hearsay and propaganda.


There's actually a lot of solid info in this thread that people can use as a jumping point for finding out more about certain groups. That's kinda why I made it - it says in the OP that it's going to be mostly about opinion; unless of course a SpecOps member has anything concrete to offer after finding this thread between cracking out on SC2 and TL


eccokk
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany38 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 21:23:47
December 12 2011 21:19 GMT
#508


On the numbers issue - I already listed four examples where, although the German army may have been outnumbered in absolute terms, they managed to achieve localized operational superiority in numbers. In the first two cases (France 1940 and Russia 1941), that superiority proved decisive; in the second two cases (Kursk 1943 and Ardennes 1944), despite achieving initial localized superiority, the Germans were unable to prevail. Just comparing total numbers of soldiers doesn't really tell you anything; you have to look more closely at how they were actually employed.

As for expert opinion, point me to them. You can't justify an argument by appealing to "experts" and then not naming any.


kind of off topic but i think you underestimate the fact that being in active war against almost the whole world is kind of suicide.

when the us actually engaded in fighting with the german army, most of its best soldiers already died on the east front vs the ussr ( they won the war vs nazi germany much more then the us did, and paid with over 20million casulties show them some more respect ), and the massive bombing of german cities and production left the army in shambles. the few and bad supplied tropps the us army fought indeed were no match for them.

here is a little link just to show you how ridicilous outnumberd the germans where:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_flying_aces

edit: it is a list for all nations, just scroll down a lot ( the first us pilot will pop up at 40 victorys ).

cnorris
Profile Joined March 2012
1 Post
March 23 2012 22:48 GMT
#509
Ever hear of South African special forces, extremely tough to get into, only 48 people out of every 1000000 actually pass,just the entry tests are ludicrous. For example selection involves 7 days in bush performing maneuvers and drills no eating, no sleeping, no water, officers using live ammo, live mines ect. And still have wild animals, eg lions an cheatas ect to worry about. Once they pass this there's still training ect. Operations are just as bad, my uncle lived about 15m outside an enemy base for 3months enemy never knew he was there. Because South Africa does not technology as advanced as rest of the world everything is up to the soldiers, the often just have to run, the get dropped at the boarder and for days they just run day after day to get to their destinations. And then have no support from the rest of the army until they out again. They also have a little competition, every person they kill they cut a ear off and they make necklaces with these ears. Heavy stuff, they called the Recce's
scaban84
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1080 Posts
March 23 2012 23:00 GMT
#510
No national armed force is the most elite. The most elite would have to be a private military company like Blackwater and DynCorp.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." — Friedrich von Hayek
TearsOfTheSun
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada995 Posts
March 23 2012 23:05 GMT
#511
jtf2?
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ozzy1346
Profile Joined November 2011
United States38 Posts
March 23 2012 23:15 GMT
#512
Mosad, SEALS, or SAS are my 3 choices currently, im thinking seals though as top. no way to really tell, guess im just bias :p
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Morale
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1010 Posts
March 23 2012 23:34 GMT
#513
On March 24 2012 07:48 cnorris wrote:
Ever hear of South African special forces, extremely tough to get into, only 48 people out of every 1000000 actually pass,just the entry tests are ludicrous. For example selection involves 7 days in bush performing maneuvers and drills no eating, no sleeping, no water, officers using live ammo, live mines ect. And still have wild animals, eg lions an cheatas ect to worry about. Once they pass this there's still training ect. Operations are just as bad, my uncle lived about 15m outside an enemy base for 3months enemy never knew he was there. Because South Africa does not technology as advanced as rest of the world everything is up to the soldiers, the often just have to run, the get dropped at the boarder and for days they just run day after day to get to their destinations. And then have no support from the rest of the army until they out again. They also have a little competition, every person they kill they cut a ear off and they make necklaces with these ears. Heavy stuff, they called the Recce's


If the cutting of an ear part is true, this is mos def the most bad ass squad in the world!
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
March 23 2012 23:34 GMT
#514
Whatever country you are from has the best unit apparently.
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Vorgrim
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (North)1601 Posts
March 23 2012 23:47 GMT
#515
The US should have the best due to being the most consistently active in modern warfare, the best of everything in kit/technology and if all else fails the most dangerous war machine in the world to back them up. Massive military to draw the best possible recruits from etc.

Even amongst the masses of McD munching fatasses I see in their uniform, there has to be some super bad ass rambo motherfuckers doing crazy shit behind the scenes.
DeekZ
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia235 Posts
March 23 2012 23:50 GMT
#516
On March 24 2012 08:34 Morale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 07:48 cnorris wrote:
Ever hear of South African special forces, extremely tough to get into, only 48 people out of every 1000000 actually pass,just the entry tests are ludicrous. For example selection involves 7 days in bush performing maneuvers and drills no eating, no sleeping, no water, officers using live ammo, live mines ect. And still have wild animals, eg lions an cheatas ect to worry about. Once they pass this there's still training ect. Operations are just as bad, my uncle lived about 15m outside an enemy base for 3months enemy never knew he was there. Because South Africa does not technology as advanced as rest of the world everything is up to the soldiers, the often just have to run, the get dropped at the boarder and for days they just run day after day to get to their destinations. And then have no support from the rest of the army until they out again. They also have a little competition, every person they kill they cut a ear off and they make necklaces with these ears. Heavy stuff, they called the Recce's


If the cutting of an ear part is true, this is mos def the most bad ass squad in the world!

Not really badass, more like sick in the head, isn't collecting 'trophies' from your enemy in battle a war crime? I was just reading about Tiger Force, a US task force that fought in Vietnam. They cut off their enemies ears and scalps during the war as well as a lot of other fucked up shit, wouldn't call it badass.

Also I'm pretty sure cnorris is exaggerating a bit.. esspecially if his uncle was in the SA special forces. 7 days of no eating, no sleeping and no water? I'm pretty sure you'd die and if not your body would be way too weak to do any kind of training.
Limelights
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-24 00:10:26
March 24 2012 00:05 GMT
#517
The JSDF. They kicked my ass in Chaos Theory.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 24 2012 00:09 GMT
#518
On March 24 2012 08:34 uSnAmplified wrote:
Whatever country you are from has the best unit apparently.


Not sure about that !
The french RAID who took 30h to get an alone man in a bathroom are probably not going to win that contest. :p
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
March 24 2012 00:10 GMT
#519
In this day and age, the one with the best equipment which is probably seals. Without eq, it's definitely the UFC
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
March 24 2012 00:23 GMT
#520
On December 12 2011 11:04 arthurrr157 wrote:
The ones you don't know about

^ This
On March 24 2012 08:00 scaban84 wrote:
No national armed force is the most elite. The most elite would have to be a private military company like Blackwater and DynCorp.

I've met someone from Blackwater... scary sob, but I don't think they're the most elite, but definitely the highest trained assassins.
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