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On November 15 2011 12:30 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 12:24 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 15 2011 12:21 bibbaly wrote:On November 15 2011 12:17 Assirra wrote:On November 15 2011 12:16 bibbaly wrote:
I'm sure it has been asked in the thread but what is wrong with pursuing him legally? It takes ages It costs tons Those 2 reasons in a nutshell. If the case is won however Gus' name not only will be forever tarnished (it already is) but he will be forced to pay this debt and face possible jail time for FRAUD. This is not a community issue IMO this is a legal issue that should be pursued. Even if the community pays the debt what happens to Gus? his name is already tarnished in the community. winning a judgment is not the same as collecting on a judgment; people win all the time and never get paid (for example, oj simpson still hasnt paid his debt for the wrongful death suit). IPL cannot do anything to put him in jail; ipl can only bring a CIVIL suit for fraud, not a CRIMINAL suit for fraud. only the police and district attorney (or PI equivalent) can put people in jail. as for what happens to Gus, he gets shunned from this community, but likely nothing else unless the matter is referred to the police. however, mismanagement of funds does not equal criminal fraud. sucks, but that is how life works. You're telling me that IGN, a company that sold for 650,000,000 dollars, can't afford to bail amanda out? You're telling me that IGN doesn't have any conventions for preventing employes from taking off with tens of thousands of dollars? I'll support the cause because an innocent person's livelihood is at stake but don't expect me to jump on the IGN bandwagon. To me it seems like they messed up hard and for some reason Amanda has to come to the community for help when IGN could have solved all this financial business the first minute...
IPL was just a sponsor. what exactly are you talking about?
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donated $5, first post for good cause
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I'd understand if it was some guy like thegunrun but Amanda owns a travel agency, and should have liability insurance. (The insurance company keeps you afloat while they use their extended dedicated resources to sue the asses of people like Gus)
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if she does have insurance (don't know a travel agent that doesnt - it'll be stupid to have one person kill your business) and she's pocketing all the donations.
I'm not donating a single cent for incompetence.
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On November 15 2011 12:27 hXc Chris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 12:25 Emporio wrote:On November 15 2011 12:23 hXc Chris wrote:On November 15 2011 12:16 SniXSniPe wrote:On November 15 2011 12:14 hXc Chris wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time someone failed or lost out on trying to "support the esport community" id have more than enough money to get Amanda a get out of jail free card.
Unfortunately I dont have that kind of money and i'm pretty much sick of all this panhandling nonsense that goes on around the SC2 scene.
"I quit my job in the emergency room to support esports and esports fired me" someone hire me!
"I'm a progamer that made bank in the GSL but I need the community to support me to MLG" uh...what?
"I signed for 23k worth of debt for some guy and now I might go to jail or lose my business" no thanks
I'll leave the stream on but thats it. Charitycraft is getting really old.
Community bailout is getting old. That was the community wanting to see him at MLG. He never asked for the community to sponsor him to go, and he probably didn't want to go before that because it was expensive and had very little profit. I understand that. I dont hold anything against MKP. I just find it ridiculous either way that it happened. Not to mention the Disney world vacation that Milkis proposed. Actually I dont know how the whole thing happened other than the Milkis reddit thread but if he propsed the idea then i'm throwing him under the charity case bus. I I'm a little confused. What do you have an issue with? The overwhelming amount of charity cases in the name of "esports"
I do agree with an increased amount of charity cases in the name of "esports" but few of them were legitimate in my opinion.
1. MKP's donation drive. It was community's idea so we won't list it as a charity.
2. Documentary charities: To be honest, I hated those. People asking for money to travel and do a filming. Tastosis one was cool but after that bunch of random ones popped up, which was a bit alarming. That's where I felt like people started using our community for their own good.
3. Amanda's drive. In my opinion, this one was more about a good person trusting someone, then getting ripped off. And that good person is in trouble. We can help and we will.
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shitttttt who is this whale guy
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We shud find this dude Gus and show him wat a scam to the face feels lik
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On November 15 2011 12:31 LesPhoques wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 12:27 hXc Chris wrote:On November 15 2011 12:25 Emporio wrote:On November 15 2011 12:23 hXc Chris wrote:On November 15 2011 12:16 SniXSniPe wrote:On November 15 2011 12:14 hXc Chris wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time someone failed or lost out on trying to "support the esport community" id have more than enough money to get Amanda a get out of jail free card.
Unfortunately I dont have that kind of money and i'm pretty much sick of all this panhandling nonsense that goes on around the SC2 scene.
"I quit my job in the emergency room to support esports and esports fired me" someone hire me!
"I'm a progamer that made bank in the GSL but I need the community to support me to MLG" uh...what?
"I signed for 23k worth of debt for some guy and now I might go to jail or lose my business" no thanks
I'll leave the stream on but thats it. Charitycraft is getting really old.
Community bailout is getting old. That was the community wanting to see him at MLG. He never asked for the community to sponsor him to go, and he probably didn't want to go before that because it was expensive and had very little profit. I understand that. I dont hold anything against MKP. I just find it ridiculous either way that it happened. Not to mention the Disney world vacation that Milkis proposed. Actually I dont know how the whole thing happened other than the Milkis reddit thread but if he propsed the idea then i'm throwing him under the charity case bus. I I'm a little confused. What do you have an issue with? The overwhelming amount of charity cases in the name of "esports" I do agree with an increased amount of charity cases in the name of "esports" but few of them were legitimate in my opinion. 1. MKP's donation drive. It was community's idea so we won't list it as a charity. 2. Documentary charities: To be honest, I hated those. People asking for money to travel and do a filming. Tastosis one was cool but after that bunch of random ones popped up, which was a bit alarming. That's where I felt like people started using our community for their own good. 3. Amanda's charity drive. In my opinion, this one was more about a good person trusting someone, then getting ripped off. And that good person is in trouble. We can help and we will.
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On November 15 2011 12:14 hXc Chris wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time someone failed or lost out on trying to "support the esport community" id have more than enough money to get Amanda a get out of jail free card.
Unfortunately I dont have that kind of money and i'm pretty much sick of all this panhandling nonsense that goes on around the SC2 scene.
"I quit my job in the emergency room to support esports and esports fired me" someone hire me!
"I'm a progamer that made bank in the GSL but I need the community to support me to MLG" uh...what?
"I signed for 23k worth of debt for some guy and now I might go to jail or lose my business" no thanks
I'll leave the stream on but thats it. Charitycraft is getting really old.
Community bailout is getting old.
He may have made a chunk of change in the GSL, but its not exactly a good idea financially to spend more than 5 grand for the potential prize pool of 5 grand. Even if you DO win, you are still losing money.
Amanda signed 23k worth of debt to some guy that she believed had the funds and backing of a corporation.
I dunno who that ER person is.
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On November 15 2011 12:27 hXc Chris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 12:25 Emporio wrote:On November 15 2011 12:23 hXc Chris wrote:On November 15 2011 12:16 SniXSniPe wrote:On November 15 2011 12:14 hXc Chris wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time someone failed or lost out on trying to "support the esport community" id have more than enough money to get Amanda a get out of jail free card.
Unfortunately I dont have that kind of money and i'm pretty much sick of all this panhandling nonsense that goes on around the SC2 scene.
"I quit my job in the emergency room to support esports and esports fired me" someone hire me!
"I'm a progamer that made bank in the GSL but I need the community to support me to MLG" uh...what?
"I signed for 23k worth of debt for some guy and now I might go to jail or lose my business" no thanks
I'll leave the stream on but thats it. Charitycraft is getting really old.
Community bailout is getting old. That was the community wanting to see him at MLG. He never asked for the community to sponsor him to go, and he probably didn't want to go before that because it was expensive and had very little profit. I understand that. I dont hold anything against MKP. I just find it ridiculous either way that it happened. Not to mention the Disney world vacation that Milkis proposed. Actually I dont know how the whole thing happened other than the Milkis reddit thread but if he propsed the idea then i'm throwing him under the charity case bus. I I'm a little confused. What do you have an issue with? The overwhelming amount of charity cases in the name of "esports"
I can only think of about 3 or 4 random charity acts like this with relation to esports. Are you going to pay Amandas debt with your $4? I don't think so buddy.
Unless you're also complaining about the Doctors without Borders type events as well?
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On November 15 2011 12:26 hXc Chris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 12:20 jsemmens wrote:On November 15 2011 12:14 hXc Chris wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time someone failed or lost out on trying to "support the esport community" id have more than enough money to get Amanda a get out of jail free card.
Unfortunately I dont have that kind of money and i'm pretty much sick of all this panhandling nonsense that goes on around the SC2 scene.
"I quit my job in the emergency room to support esports and esports fired me" someone hire me!
"I'm a progamer that made bank in the GSL but I need the community to support me to MLG" uh...what?
"I signed for 23k worth of debt for some guy and now I might go to jail or lose my business" no thanks
I'll leave the stream on but thats it. Charitycraft is getting really old.
Community bailout is getting old. Hey, if you guys think that doing a nice VOLUNTARY thing for someone is bad, then you are entitled to your opinion. However then, you should just keep your mouth shut in this thread, and leave your negativity somewhere else. Nice I know a lot of panhandlers in every large city in America that loves people like you. Why dont you just go handing out blank checks to do something nice for a bunch of strangers. Go do it or you're failing the esports community! I see no reason to keep my mouth shut. My opinion negative or not is still valid.
If is too old people will just stop supporting. Nobody forcing anyone to donate. It is a choice you can decide on your on. Like you leaving the stream is another way of support other then give money. You really don't have to be angry about it.
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On November 15 2011 12:30 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 12:24 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 15 2011 12:21 bibbaly wrote:On November 15 2011 12:17 Assirra wrote:On November 15 2011 12:16 bibbaly wrote:
I'm sure it has been asked in the thread but what is wrong with pursuing him legally? It takes ages It costs tons Those 2 reasons in a nutshell. If the case is won however Gus' name not only will be forever tarnished (it already is) but he will be forced to pay this debt and face possible jail time for FRAUD. This is not a community issue IMO this is a legal issue that should be pursued. Even if the community pays the debt what happens to Gus? his name is already tarnished in the community. winning a judgment is not the same as collecting on a judgment; people win all the time and never get paid (for example, oj simpson still hasnt paid his debt for the wrongful death suit). IPL cannot do anything to put him in jail; ipl can only bring a CIVIL suit for fraud, not a CRIMINAL suit for fraud. only the police and district attorney (or PI equivalent) can put people in jail. as for what happens to Gus, he gets shunned from this community, but likely nothing else unless the matter is referred to the police. however, mismanagement of funds does not equal criminal fraud. sucks, but that is how life works. You're telling me that IGN, a company that sold for 650,000,000 dollars, can't afford to bail amanda out? You're telling me that IGN doesn't have any conventions for preventing employes from taking off with tens of thousands of dollars? I'll support the cause because an innocent person's livelihood is at stake but don't expect me to jump on the IGN bandwagon. To me it seems like they messed up hard and for some reason Amanda has to come to the community for help when IGN could have solved all this financial business the first minute...
Well it is IPL in this case, not IGN. Just because IPL is a part of IGN doesn't mean IGN will just throw money at them. IPL needs to be self-sustaining for it to be a good business decision to even have in the first place.
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On November 15 2011 12:30 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 12:14 hXc Chris wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time someone failed or lost out on trying to "support the esport community" id have more than enough money to get Amanda a get out of jail free card.
Unfortunately I dont have that kind of money and i'm pretty much sick of all this panhandling nonsense that goes on around the SC2 scene.
"I quit my job in the emergency room to support esports and esports fired me" someone hire me!
"I'm a progamer that made bank in the GSL but I need the community to support me to MLG" uh...what?
"I signed for 23k worth of debt for some guy and now I might go to jail or lose my business" no thanks
I'll leave the stream on but thats it. Charitycraft is getting really old.
Community bailout is getting old. I agree this. Granted IPL had no way of anticipating this shit was going to happen, it is ultimately their responsibility and those involved to resolve these problem. They are definitely risks involved in planning an event such as this and they made some mistakes/errors in judgement which is reasonable. But there need to be a backup plan, you can't just bailout on the community every time shit doesn't happen the way they were supposed to. Also I am curious. If IPL and PPSL are profiting from this (even if their revenues are already scaled back by this fiasco), wouldn't it make more sense to pay out of their own pockets and settle for a smaller paycheck instead of dumping this on the community? Of course I'm assuming IPL/PPSL didn't LOSE money from organizing this event. That being said I'll leave the stream on for tonight.
It isn't *ultimately their responsibility*. They just owe $7K and that wouldn't cover the rest of Amanda's incurred debt.
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I hope if they go over their target that they pay back thegunrun and anyone else who was screwed over.
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Damn IPL, way to be effing champs.
I wish everyone involved in eSports could kick as much ass as you guys do.
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On November 15 2011 12:34 Devolved wrote:
I hope if they go over their target that they pay back thegunrun and anyone else who was screwed over.
They said that any extra they make will go towards paying the tournament staff that got shafted. Twitch has been super baller and promised to donate all of their portion of the ad revenue from the stream as well.
We're a kickass community. Everyone involved at every level can come together to focus on a goal. But then, that's what gaming has trained us to do 
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On November 15 2011 12:31 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 12:30 SupLilSon wrote:On November 15 2011 12:24 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 15 2011 12:21 bibbaly wrote:On November 15 2011 12:17 Assirra wrote:On November 15 2011 12:16 bibbaly wrote:
I'm sure it has been asked in the thread but what is wrong with pursuing him legally? It takes ages It costs tons Those 2 reasons in a nutshell. If the case is won however Gus' name not only will be forever tarnished (it already is) but he will be forced to pay this debt and face possible jail time for FRAUD. This is not a community issue IMO this is a legal issue that should be pursued. Even if the community pays the debt what happens to Gus? his name is already tarnished in the community. winning a judgment is not the same as collecting on a judgment; people win all the time and never get paid (for example, oj simpson still hasnt paid his debt for the wrongful death suit). IPL cannot do anything to put him in jail; ipl can only bring a CIVIL suit for fraud, not a CRIMINAL suit for fraud. only the police and district attorney (or PI equivalent) can put people in jail. as for what happens to Gus, he gets shunned from this community, but likely nothing else unless the matter is referred to the police. however, mismanagement of funds does not equal criminal fraud. sucks, but that is how life works. You're telling me that IGN, a company that sold for 650,000,000 dollars, can't afford to bail amanda out? You're telling me that IGN doesn't have any conventions for preventing employes from taking off with tens of thousands of dollars? I'll support the cause because an innocent person's livelihood is at stake but don't expect me to jump on the IGN bandwagon. To me it seems like they messed up hard and for some reason Amanda has to come to the community for help when IGN could have solved all this financial business the first minute... IPL was just a sponsor. what exactly are you talking about?
Yea, it was their money... and until they clarify more, I'll assume Amanda was their employee or was contracted by them to work for the event. Either way, I find it odd that IGN needs community help to produce these funds. Like I said, I'll support the cause but I'm not going to blindly praise IGN for simply fixing their own mistakes.
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On November 15 2011 12:26 hXc Chris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 12:20 jsemmens wrote:On November 15 2011 12:14 hXc Chris wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time someone failed or lost out on trying to "support the esport community" id have more than enough money to get Amanda a get out of jail free card.
Unfortunately I dont have that kind of money and i'm pretty much sick of all this panhandling nonsense that goes on around the SC2 scene.
"I quit my job in the emergency room to support esports and esports fired me" someone hire me!
"I'm a progamer that made bank in the GSL but I need the community to support me to MLG" uh...what?
"I signed for 23k worth of debt for some guy and now I might go to jail or lose my business" no thanks
I'll leave the stream on but thats it. Charitycraft is getting really old.
Community bailout is getting old. Hey, if you guys think that doing a nice VOLUNTARY thing for someone is bad, then you are entitled to your opinion. However then, you should just keep your mouth shut in this thread, and leave your negativity somewhere else. Nice I know a lot of panhandlers in every large city in America that loves people like you. Why dont you just go handing out blank checks to do something nice for a bunch of strangers. Go do it or you're failing the esports community! I see no reason to keep my mouth shut. My opinion negative or not is still valid.
So what if we want to give our money?
Is it hurting anyone?
If people want to give, that is great. There is no harm in it, people are being nice and are trying to help someone out in trouble.
And I do give money to beggars on the street if I have any to give.
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I'll leave this on the whole day. 
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I gave a dollar, good luck Amanda 
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We will be donating 200% of all sales for the next 24 hours to support Amanda. Check out the blog post here
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