EPTIPL Charity Stream to Support Amanda (PPSL) 11/14 - Page 22
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IMPORTANT: the flights are now covered, and Amanda should be fine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285511¤tpage=25#487 further donations will be for "paying event salaries (casters, talent, staff, etc.) and other event-related expenses" | ||
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Grimzzy
United Kingdom19 Posts
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:14 hXc Chris wrote: If I had a dollar for every time someone failed or lost out on trying to "support the esport community" id have more than enough money to get Amanda a get out of jail free card. Unfortunately I dont have that kind of money and i'm pretty much sick of all this panhandling nonsense that goes on around the SC2 scene. "I quit my job in the emergency room to support esports and esports fired me" someone hire me! "I'm a progamer that made bank in the GSL but I need the community to support me to MLG" uh...what? "I signed for 23k worth of debt for some guy and now I might go to jail or lose my business" no thanks I'll leave the stream on but thats it. Charitycraft is getting really old. Community bailout is getting old. Hey, if you guys think that doing a nice VOLUNTARY thing for someone is bad, then you are entitled to your opinion. However then, you should just keep your mouth shut in this thread, and leave your negativity somewhere else. | ||
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bibbaly
98 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:17 Assirra wrote: It takes ages It costs tons Those 2 reasons in a nutshell. If the case is won however Gus' name not only will be forever tarnished (it already is) but he will be forced to pay this debt and face possible jail time for FRAUD. This is not a community issue IMO this is a legal issue that should be pursued. Even if the community pays the debt what happens to Gus? | ||
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Buruguduy
Philippines238 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:17 Assirra wrote: It takes ages It costs tons Those 2 reasons in a nutshell. Also, you're not even sure you're going to win. Even if you win, you will have to pay a portion of the amount saved to your lawyers. Also, assuming you win, you don't automatically get money. You need a marshall to get Gus to pay.. If he can't, you have to get some of his belongings, blah blah blah just damn long and costly. You spend much more than you can recover | ||
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:17 Assirra wrote: It takes ages It costs tons Those 2 reasons in a nutshell. Use the money to track him down and sell his organs. 1. Pays off debt 2. 1 fewer cancer in society 3. Donate leftover organs to help the needy Everyone wins. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:12 Cartel wrote: I dont want to sound like a dick or anything, but Amanda is the one that owes this money. Not the community. She is the one that got suckered into fronting money. As a business, you never front money without guarantee in payment upfront. This is how business is run. Let's say this wasn't SC related, she would simply have to suffer the consequence of doing business in this way. Im sorry to say, its just the way it is. Sure, the community will help, because this is the SC community, one of the best in the world. Although I have sympathy for the situation because nobody really deserves to be scammed, it does in fact happen, but people in business should be diligent enough to prevent these things from happening. Im sorry this had to happen to Amanda, but she should have this settled in court and and have the police track Gus down, Sue gus, and then try her best to get her money back that way. GL I don't need some random guy to ruin my night so I'll make it short: People are different everywhere in the world. Bad things happen. You either feel good by eating a pizza tonight, or feel good by helping a person tonight, your choice. | ||
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hXc Chris
United States25 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:16 SniXSniPe wrote: That was the community wanting to see him at MLG. He never asked for the community to sponsor him to go, and he probably didn't want to go before that because it was expensive and had very little profit. I understand that. I dont hold anything against MKP. I just find it ridiculous either way that it happened. Not to mention the Disney world vacation that Milkis proposed. Actually I dont know how the whole thing happened other than the Milkis reddit thread but if he propsed the idea then i'm throwing him under the charity case bus. | ||
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:21 bibbaly wrote: If the case is won however Gus' name not only will be forever tarnished (it already is) but he will be forced to pay this debt and face possible jail time for FRAUD. This is not a community issue IMO this is a legal issue that should be pursued. Even if the community pays the debt what happens to Gus? his name is already tarnished in the community. winning a judgment is not the same as collecting on a judgment; people win all the time and never get paid (for example, oj simpson still hasnt paid his debt for the wrongful death suit). IPL cannot do anything to put him in jail; ipl can only bring a CIVIL suit for fraud, not a CRIMINAL suit for fraud. only the police and district attorney (or PI equivalent) can put people in jail. as for what happens to Gus, he gets shunned from this community, but likely nothing else unless the matter is referred to the police. however, mismanagement of funds does not equal criminal fraud. sucks, but that is how life works. | ||
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bibbaly
98 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:23 canikizu wrote: You either feel good by eating a pizza tonight, or feel good by helping a person tonight, your choice. What a loaded fucking statement. | ||
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NekoFlandre
United States497 Posts
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:23 hXc Chris wrote: I understand that. I dont hold anything against MKP. I just find it ridiculous either way that it happened. Not to mention the Disney world vacation that Milkis proposed. Actually I dont know how the whole thing happened other than the Milkis reddit thread but if he propsed the idea then i'm throwing him under the charity case bus. I I'm a little confused. What do you have an issue with? | ||
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hXc Chris
United States25 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:20 jsemmens wrote: Hey, if you guys think that doing a nice VOLUNTARY thing for someone is bad, then you are entitled to your opinion. However then, you should just keep your mouth shut in this thread, and leave your negativity somewhere else. Nice I know a lot of panhandlers in every large city in America that loves people like you. Why dont you just go handing out blank checks to do something nice for a bunch of strangers. Go do it or you're failing the esports community! I see no reason to keep my mouth shut. My opinion negative or not is still valid. | ||
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Supdude
244 Posts
I understand (and actually agree to some degree) that some people don't feel we need to help Amanda. Well, the short answer is: nobody asked you!!! Just f*ck off if you don't want to help her... | ||
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hXc Chris
United States25 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:25 Emporio wrote: I I'm a little confused. What do you have an issue with? The overwhelming amount of charity cases in the name of "esports" | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:27 hXc Chris wrote: The overwhelming amount of charity cases in the name of "esports" a world with more empathy and charity. yeah, thats a shitty place I don't want to go to in the name of esports. /sarcasm | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:24 dAPhREAk wrote: his name is already tarnished in the community. winning a judgment is not the same as collecting on a judgment; people win all the time and never get paid (for example, oj simpson still hasnt paid his debt for the wrongful death suit). IPL cannot do anything to put him in jail; ipl can only bring a CIVIL suit for fraud, not a CRIMINAL suit for fraud. only the police and district attorney (or PI equivalent) can put people in jail. as for what happens to Gus, he gets shunned from this community, but likely nothing else unless the matter is referred to the police. however, mismanagement of funds does not equal criminal fraud. sucks, but that is how life works. You're telling me that IGN, a company that sold for 650,000,000 dollars, can't afford to bail amanda out? You're telling me that IGN doesn't have any conventions for preventing employes from taking off with tens of thousands of dollars? I'll support the cause because an innocent person's livelihood is at stake but don't expect me to jump on the IGN bandwagon. To me it seems like they messed up hard and for some reason Amanda has to come to the community for help when IGN could have solved all this financial business the first minute... | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On November 15 2011 12:14 hXc Chris wrote: If I had a dollar for every time someone failed or lost out on trying to "support the esport community" id have more than enough money to get Amanda a get out of jail free card. Unfortunately I dont have that kind of money and i'm pretty much sick of all this panhandling nonsense that goes on around the SC2 scene. "I quit my job in the emergency room to support esports and esports fired me" someone hire me! "I'm a progamer that made bank in the GSL but I need the community to support me to MLG" uh...what? "I signed for 23k worth of debt for some guy and now I might go to jail or lose my business" no thanks I'll leave the stream on but thats it. Charitycraft is getting really old. Community bailout is getting old. I agree this. Granted IPL had no way of anticipating this shit was going to happen, it is ultimately their responsibility and those involved to resolve these problem. They are definitely risks involved in planning an event such as this and they made some mistakes/errors in judgement which is reasonable. But there need to be a backup plan, you can't just bailout on the community every time shit doesn't happen the way they were supposed to. Also I am curious. If IPL and PPSL are profiting from this (even if their revenues are already scaled back by this fiasco), wouldn't it make more sense to pay out of their own pockets and settle for a smaller paycheck instead of dumping this on the community? Of course I'm assuming IPL/PPSL didn't LOSE money from organizing this event. That being said I'll leave the stream on for tonight. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45365 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Whale tooootally tore MKP apart. Wasn't even close. Amazing game. | ||
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blitzace
Philippines3 Posts
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