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IMPORTANT: the flights are now covered, and Amanda should be fine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285511&currentpage=25#487

further donations will be for "paying event salaries (casters, talent, staff, etc.) and other event-related expenses"
Shohatto
Profile Joined October 2011
10 Posts
November 15 2011 03:09 GMT
#401
Leaving my machine tuned in to help. Will see about donating this is fucked up.
zalien
Profile Joined October 2010
United States216 Posts
November 15 2011 03:09 GMT
#402
Have to go to bed but will leave stream up to send in whatever revenue I can for Amanda, She doesn't deserve this!
Co Head organizer of HSL, a Highschool Team League affiliated with CSL and designed to change the way people see gamers
HitMonkie
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia518 Posts
November 15 2011 03:09 GMT
#403
On November 15 2011 12:06 Emporio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 12:01 Emnjay808 wrote:
On November 15 2011 11:59 MrBitter wrote:
Obviously this situation calls for the first ever e-sports hitman. Honestly, MC seems up to the task.


i would personally hire Naniwa.

dem cold blooded eyes full of murderous intent O_O

That would actually be BratOK


Wasn't he in the Army?

Probably the best option if so. lol
MileyCyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States285 Posts
November 15 2011 03:10 GMT
#404
Also, does anyone know if opening a dozen tabs on my computer will be anymore beneficial?
vvv-gaming.com
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 03:14:07
November 15 2011 03:11 GMT
#405
On November 15 2011 12:06 Redmark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 12:01 Supamang wrote:
On November 15 2011 08:05 Roxy wrote:
On November 15 2011 08:03 pPingu wrote:
I will let my computer on the whole night to get the highest amount of ads possible

Hope enough money will be collected


Your remedy for fraud is more fraud?

if you are not watching for a decent % of the time, that is stealing from companies that pay for ads on the stream

are you fucking serious?

Unless you are going against the rules laid out by the contract or the law laid out by our governments, its not fraud. Commercials, both for TV and for Streaming, are not bound by the requirement for the viewers to actually watch the advertisement. Most people will switch channels or not pay attention to the TV screen for TV ads, why should it be any different for streamers?

Stop being so dramatic.

What will happen though is if companies feel like they're not getting returns on their ads they'll stop funding them.

It doesn't work like that. Stream advertisers will simply incur a premium for this phenomenon, estimated by those that are providing the revenue.

Consider women and men. Firms would first charge women a premium for the risk that they'll become pregnant and waste company resources before simply firing them all! (This assumes unbiased management who are trying to maximize shareholder wealth, without legal constraints on discrimination).
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
November 15 2011 03:11 GMT
#406
On November 15 2011 11:59 MrBitter wrote:
Obviously this situation calls for the first ever e-sports hitman. Honestly, MC seems up to the task.

we just need Gus to steal his wallet lol
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
November 15 2011 03:12 GMT
#407
What's going to happen if there is excess money?
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
November 15 2011 03:12 GMT
#408
Obv white ra for his special ops.

But awesome, over 4k.
Cartel
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada255 Posts
November 15 2011 03:12 GMT
#409
I dont want to sound like a dick or anything, but Amanda is the one that owes this money. Not the community. She is the one that got suckered into fronting money. As a business, you never front money without guarantee in payment upfront. This is how business is run. Let's say this wasn't SC related, she would simply have to suffer the consequence of doing business in this way. Im sorry to say, its just the way it is. Sure, the community will help, because this is the SC community, one of the best in the world. Although I have sympathy for the situation because nobody really deserves to be scammed, it does in fact happen, but people in business should be diligent enough to prevent these things from happening. Im sorry this had to happen to Amanda, but she should have this settled in court and and have the police track Gus down, Sue gus, and then try her best to get her money back that way. GL
hXc Chris
Profile Joined February 2011
United States25 Posts
November 15 2011 03:14 GMT
#410
If I had a dollar for every time someone failed or lost out on trying to "support the esport community" id have more than enough money to get Amanda a get out of jail free card.

Unfortunately I dont have that kind of money and i'm pretty much sick of all this panhandling nonsense that goes on around the SC2 scene.

"I quit my job in the emergency room to support esports and esports fired me" someone hire me!

"I'm a progamer that made bank in the GSL but I need the community to support me to MLG" uh...what?

"I signed for 23k worth of debt for some guy and now I might go to jail or lose my business" no thanks

I'll leave the stream on but thats it. Charitycraft is getting really old.

Community bailout is getting old.

User was warned for this post
Strategos
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada132 Posts
November 15 2011 03:14 GMT
#411
great idea!

can we learn more about amanda? thanks
"Good news MLG fans, WE HAVE CHAIRS THIS YEAR!"
Buruguduy
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines238 Posts
November 15 2011 03:15 GMT
#412
On November 15 2011 12:12 Cartel wrote:
I dont want to sound like a dick or anything, but Amanda is the one that owes this money. Not the community. She is the one that got suckered into fronting money. As a business, you never front money without guarantee in payment upfront. This is how business is run. Let's say this wasn't SC related, she would simply have to suffer the consequence of doing business in this way. Im sorry to say, its just the way it is. Sure, the community will help, because this is the SC community, one of the best in the world. Although I have sympathy for the situation because nobody really deserves to be scammed, it does in fact happen, but people in business should be diligent enough to prevent these things from happening. Im sorry this had to happen to Amanda, but she should have this settled in court and and have the police track Gus down, Sue gus, and then try her best to get her money back that way. GL


You don't know really know how things work in third world countries work... Canada's way of handling things is very different from the Philippines man. :-S
NA: pon.838 // SEA: pon.451 // KR: pon.843
HitMonkie
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 03:16:43
November 15 2011 03:15 GMT
#413
On November 15 2011 12:12 theBALLS wrote:
What's going to happen if there is excess money?


IGN in Stream Chat said.

All Excess money will go to pay the staff for the event and the other bills too. Becuz the total amount as they stated was over 23k.

bibbaly
Profile Joined October 2010
98 Posts
November 15 2011 03:16 GMT
#414
I'm sure it has been asked in the thread but what is wrong with pursuing him legally?
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
November 15 2011 03:16 GMT
#415
On November 15 2011 12:12 Cartel wrote:
I dont want to sound like a dick or anything, but Amanda is the one that owes this money. Not the community. She is the one that got suckered into fronting money. As a business, you never front money without guarantee in payment upfront. This is how business is run. Let's say this wasn't SC related, she would simply have to suffer the consequence of doing business in this way. Im sorry to say, its just the way it is. Sure, the community will help, because this is the SC community, one of the best in the world. Although I have sympathy for the situation because nobody really deserves to be scammed, it does in fact happen, but people in business should be diligent enough to prevent these things from happening. Im sorry this had to happen to Amanda, but she should have this settled in court and and have the police track Gus down, Sue gus, and then try her best to get her money back that way. GL


No one ever said she didn't make a mistake.
...
But no one ever said the community OWES the money. It's a support stream and DONATION button. It's not so easy to just 'sue gas', especially considering the legal infrastructure in the region.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
November 15 2011 03:16 GMT
#416
On November 15 2011 12:14 hXc Chris wrote:
If I had a dollar for every time someone failed or lost out on trying to "support the esport community" id have more than enough money to get Amanda a get out of jail free card.

Unfortunately I dont have that kind of money and i'm pretty much sick of all this panhandling nonsense that goes on around the SC2 scene.

"I quit my job in the emergency room to support esports and esports fired me" someone hire me!

"I'm a progamer that made bank in the GSL but I need the community to support me to MLG" uh...what?

"I signed for 23k worth of debt for some guy and now I might go to jail or lose my business" no thanks

I'll leave the stream on but thats it. Charitycraft is getting really old.

Community bailout is getting old.


That was the community wanting to see him at MLG. He never asked for the community to sponsor him to go, and he probably didn't want to go before that because it was expensive and had very little profit.

Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
November 15 2011 03:17 GMT
#417
On November 15 2011 12:16 bibbaly wrote:
I'm sure it has been asked in the thread but what is wrong with pursuing him legally?

It takes ages
It costs tons
Those 2 reasons in a nutshell.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44992 Posts
November 15 2011 03:18 GMT
#418
It's a pity that Gus had to screw over Amanda (and others) like that.

Doing my best to support them and e-sports!

Good will prevail!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 15 2011 03:18 GMT
#419
On November 15 2011 12:17 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 12:16 bibbaly wrote:
I'm sure it has been asked in the thread but what is wrong with pursuing him legally?

It takes ages
It costs tons
Those 2 reasons in a nutshell.

and there is no reason to believe that he would be able to pay even if they won a judgment against him.
Automata
Profile Joined March 2011
393 Posts
November 15 2011 03:20 GMT
#420
Anyone know how much money has been raised so far?
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