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On August 31 2011 13:08 Bobgrimly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:03 Brethern wrote:On August 31 2011 12:54 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:51 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:42 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:36 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:28 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote:
If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong.
If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents. are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me. So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out. you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency. Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!! Why are you being condescending? No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage. Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage? Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness". It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation. You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm. You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child. Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping. Good try. It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status. I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids. If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe. This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson. I get it because I have the scars to prove it. Getting a smack across the backside is a whole lot better than setting fire to the house because of the pretty sticks.
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On August 31 2011 13:10 Nella wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:07 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:58 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote:
I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes... I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.  it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot I did say potentially. And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams. it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg. He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
On August 31 2011 13:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:07 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:58 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote:
I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes... I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder. it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot I did say potentially. And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams. no its not because when you take into account hte location the speed limit couldn't have been higher than 30 MPH and if the driver were speeding that would probably get a mention
Same above, 25mph is enough.
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On August 31 2011 13:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:08 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 13:03 Brethern wrote:On August 31 2011 12:54 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:51 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:42 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:36 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:28 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me. So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out. you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency. Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!! Why are you being condescending? No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage. Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage? Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness". It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation. You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm. You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child. Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping. Good try. It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status. I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids. If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe. This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson. every child psychologist pretty much disagrees
Pfft, what do they know, they only made a career out of it.
Also, 3/4 of people who were beaten, go on to beat their children, be the 1/4 and break the chain !
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On August 31 2011 13:12 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:10 Nella wrote:On August 31 2011 13:07 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:58 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote:
I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes... I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder. it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot I did say potentially. And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams. it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg. He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas. You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
Im just wondering if you've ever driven on the highway, because rocks are constantly jumping up from the wheels and hitting cars, it may crack the windshield, but it most certainly wouldn't be dangerous as long as the driver kept his composure and didnt crash.
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The kid needed to learn a lesson about respect and consequences. He did. His parents should consider getting his belly tattooed with a bull's eye so he doesn't forget anytime soon.
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On August 31 2011 13:00 sevencck wrote:
Hi everyone,
I have been reading over these forums now for some time, though I never bothered to sign up to post anything here. As a website for Starcraft enthusiasts it absolutely gets top marks, but I could never get past the reputation these forums have.
This will be my first post, and it wouldn't terribly surprise me if I discover that it's my last. I thought these forums were populated by intelligent people because of the nature of the often thought provoking content in the news that is posted and discussed here on a daily basis. I have to wonder though; I am utterly baffled at the overwhelming response either validating this reprehensible act, applauding the marksmanship, or making light of the situation. Firing a crossbow at a child from a car (moving or otherwise) for any reason is the height of callous negligent irresponsibility. What do you really know about the child? What if the child bled to death? What if the bolt missed and killed someone enjoying a morning stroll? Is this really the way we have been bred to respond to this type of behavior? Is it normal to suggest this is karma? What does it say about us when we look upon this as justice served or find it funny in any way?
DoctorHelvetica and Chargelot, I am thankful for people like you.
How about you take your negative "what if" blinders off. Had all those happened of course you'd be seeing a much different reaction from the forums, and more than likely outrage against the driver. However, none of that happened. I repeat, none of that happened. The boy is fine, his injuries are not life threatening, and therefore it's not unreasonable to believe he'll make a full recovery. Most people here do acknowledge that this was an overreaction, but the outrageousness of the act is pretty amusing due to the sheer unlikelihood it would ever happen. And then it remains funny after found to be non fatal and the kid hasn't been maimed for life.
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On August 31 2011 13:12 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 13:08 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 13:03 Brethern wrote:On August 31 2011 12:54 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:51 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:42 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:36 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:28 Bobgrimly wrote:
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Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency. Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!! Why are you being condescending? No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage. Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage? Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness". It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation. You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm. You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child. Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping. Good try. It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status. I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids. If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe. This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson. every child psychologist pretty much disagrees Pfft, what do they know, they only made a career out of it. Also, 3/4 of people who were beaten, go on to beat their children, be the 1/4 and break the chain !
Beating a child and giving them a smack on the butt are significantly different things.
On August 31 2011 13:14 Kaitlin wrote:
His parents should consider getting his belly tattooed with a bull's eye so he doesn't forget anytime soon.
Thank you, best post in the thread.
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On August 31 2011 13:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:07 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:58 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote:
I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes... I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder. it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot I did say potentially. And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams. no its not because when you take into account hte location the speed limit couldn't have been higher than 30 MPH and if the driver were speeding that would probably get a mention
I find it difficult to believe he was going faster than 30 or so just because he was able to stop, get the crossbow, get it through the window, line up a shot, and still have a shot before the kid had bolted out of range or gotten to cover.
You know if he'd had to back up the kid would have had time to get clear.
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Mythbusters keeping vigilant.
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In all seriousness, holy shit an overreaction of that magnitude really worries me about what this guy could do next...
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Somebody took Conan too seriously.
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I laughed. Then I actually thought about it. Then I laughed some more.
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On August 31 2011 13:12 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:10 Nella wrote:On August 31 2011 13:07 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:58 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote:
I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes... I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder. it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot I did say potentially. And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams. it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg. He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas. You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
Where exactly did i say i didn't think it was dangerous........
I was only pointing out your ridiculous assumptions on the speed of the car
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it's even more disturbing that people think it's funny tbh there is nothing funny about this
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On August 31 2011 13:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:08 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 13:03 Brethern wrote:On August 31 2011 12:54 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:51 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:42 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:36 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:28 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me. So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out. you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency. Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!! Why are you being condescending? No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage. Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage? Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness". It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation. You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm. You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child. Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping. Good try. It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status. I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids. If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe. This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson. every child psychologist pretty much disagrees
And how many child psychologists children throw rocks at cars? If they all do then I worry about future children and the adults they will turn into.
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On August 31 2011 13:12 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:10 Nella wrote:On August 31 2011 13:07 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:58 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote:
I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes... I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder. it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot I did say potentially. And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams. it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg. He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas. You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? ..... Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 13:07 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:58 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote:
I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes... I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder. it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot I did say potentially. And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams. no its not because when you take into account hte location the speed limit couldn't have been higher than 30 MPH and if the driver were speeding that would probably get a mention Same above, 25mph is enough.
It's dangerous and warrants arrest and probably a huge fine but not getting shot in the chest with a crossbow by a citizen
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On August 31 2011 13:18 Nella wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:12 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:10 Nella wrote:On August 31 2011 13:07 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:58 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote:
I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes... I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder. it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot I did say potentially. And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams. it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg. He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas. You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? ..... Where exactly did i say i didn't think it was dangerous........ I was only pointing out your ridiculous assumptions on the speed of the car
I didn't assume anything. I was simply stating that the article did not specify anything more than it was a moving vehicle so it doesn't matter if he was going 20mph or 20000mph, throwing rocks at moving cars can potentially kill people.
On August 31 2011 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:12 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:10 Nella wrote:On August 31 2011 13:07 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:58 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote:
I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes... I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder. it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot I did say potentially. And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams. it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg. He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas. You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? ..... On August 31 2011 13:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 13:07 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:58 Tektos wrote:On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote:
I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes... I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder. it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot I did say potentially. And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams. no its not because when you take into account hte location the speed limit couldn't have been higher than 30 MPH and if the driver were speeding that would probably get a mention Same above, 25mph is enough. It's dangerous and warrants arrest and probably a huge fine but not getting shot in the chest with a crossbow by a citizen
I didn't say he deserved being shot, simply that throwing rocks has the potential to kill people.
Hence the "I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder." - Please read what you're responding to.
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On August 31 2011 13:19 Bobgrimly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 13:08 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 13:03 Brethern wrote:On August 31 2011 12:54 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:51 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:42 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:36 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:28 Bobgrimly wrote:
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Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency. Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!! Why are you being condescending? No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage. Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage? Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness". It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation. You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm. You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child. Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping. Good try. It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status. I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids. If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe. This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson. every child psychologist pretty much disagrees And how many child psychologists children throw rocks at cars? If they all do then I worry about future children and the adults they will turn into.
that isn't relevant beating your kids is a pretty terrible way to raise them because it models aggressive behavior in fact those kids that get slapped/physically disciplined are probably the ones throwing the rocks
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On August 31 2011 13:08 Bobgrimly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2011 13:03 Brethern wrote:On August 31 2011 12:54 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:51 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:42 Torte de Lini wrote:On August 31 2011 12:36 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:28 Bobgrimly wrote:On August 31 2011 12:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote:
If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong.
If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents. are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me. So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out. you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency. Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!! Why are you being condescending? No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage. Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage? Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness". It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation. You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm. You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child. Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping. Good try. It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status. I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids. If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe. This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson.
ah, i see. so you're the result of bad parents compensating for their poor communication by beating you as a child, and since you lived in a perpetual state of fear of being beaten to the point where you never ever fucked with anyone ever, you think it's ok to take the preventative measure of just beating all of your children when you want to teach them a lesson, and you think that any parent who doesn't do that is some kind of poor parent. cool story bro
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After seeing many random frickin' stories like this over the past few weeks, all i can at this point is:
+ Show Spoiler +WHAT the FUCK is going ON in this world..........
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On August 31 2011 13:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
it's even more disturbing that people think it's funny tbh there is nothing funny about this
Never watched roadrunner and wile E coyote huh? You play with fire you are going to get burned. And its funny to a casual observer.
Get off your high horse. Learn to laugh. And enjoy life. And idiots being hurt doing idiotic things is one way to get a free laugh.
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