San Diego police say a boy throwing rocks at vehicles was struck in the abdomen by a crossbow bolt fired by a passenger in small sport utility vehicle.
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I kind of don't know what to say from this. On one hand, I was kind of amused, and on the other I was wondering whether or not it was okay. But I'm not here to start any of that. I just thought it was an interesting story that I'd just share with you guys.
I just want to know if the car was moving or not. If it was moving that was a sick shot. Nice to know the injury is not life-threatening. Lesson learned I'm sure.
Am I a bad person for laughing pretty hard at this story?
I mean sure, shooting someone with a potentially lethal weapon when they throw rocks at your car is an overreaction. But at the same time, I love to see little shits get what is coming to them.
Seriously though, I do hope they find the driver. And it's quite sickening to see people who think that the proper response to rocks thrown at a car... is the use of deadly force.
ive often wanted to take a crossbow to children to, they can be brats sometimes. Ive always had the self control not to but i can see why someone would. All in all he shouldn't of shot a kid though.
I started laughing as soon as I saw the thread title.
However, the actual content of the article is terrible, and shooting a crossbow bolt at someone, for a stupid act is still inexcusable. It really is a serious issue, and although the premise seems like a bad joke, the content of the matter is the man did something bad and illegal.
That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
should be a lesson to why parents should bring up their kids properly, and not let them do stupid shit like this. When i was a kid, i used to play games, on a computer, inside, and not doing stupid shit like this. Lesson learned kid.
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
I would've done the same thing if that asshole kid was throwing at my car and actually hit and dented my car.
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
Nerds like RPG-esque violence.
If the story was about a kid who was throwing rocks, and was consequently brutally murdered with a large battle axe, you'd get the same result.
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
I would've done the same thing if that asshole kid was throwing at my car and actually hit and dented my car.
Then you'd go to jail for assault with a lethal weapon, or even attempted murder if the injury was serious enough.
On August 31 2011 11:48 rebuffering wrote: should be a lesson to why parents should up their kids properly, and not let them do stupid shit like this. When i was a kid, i used to play games, on a computer, inside, and not doing stupid shit like this. Lesson learned kid.
great lesson
would you like to join me in forming an educational association that drives by shooting children with potentially lethal weapons for committing misdemeanors or acting like delinquents? i think society could really benefit from this
if some kid was throwing rocks at my car i would be mad too. i mean if i had a crossbow that happened to be in the car with me it would be very tempting... and get me on a bad day then that trigger would look AWFULLY friendly.
really though i would probably just park the car and run the little prick down
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
I would've done the same thing if that asshole kid was throwing at my car and actually hit and dented my car.
That's great you'd shoot a kid with a deadly weapon possibly killing him for damaging your property against his better judgment. I can see your priorities are well in order.
On August 31 2011 11:45 Kamais_Ookin wrote: The crossbow shot was well-deserved, hope the kid squirmed on the ground like a fucking worm pinned with a rusty fork.
I take it you're trolling here too, right?
Throwing rocks should be punished with torturous impaling, and cheating in marriage should be punishable by death? You're a swell guy.
On August 31 2011 11:51 Looms wrote: was DoctorHelvetica the kid who got shot?
yeah that's the only reason i would think it's not okay to shoot a kid with a deadly weapon for damaging your property that man deserves to be in prison
The driver clearly had the aim stabilization augmentation or the target leading weapon mod. Kid should have asked for candy.
But seriously, isn't the proper response to get out and yell at the kid and go tell his mother? I should know, as I was throwing rocks at cars one day when I was like nine and got the ultimate punishment: a spanking from the divorced father who wasn't even living in the same building. Anticipating a spanking is worse than the thing itself.
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
I would've done the same thing if that asshole kid was throwing at my car and actually hit and dented my car.
So basically you would risk murdering a child simply because he threw a stone at your car? maybe it would be a good idea to remind your friends never to piss you off accidently...
On August 31 2011 11:51 Looms wrote: was DoctorHelvetica the kid who got shot?
yeah that's the only reason i would think it's not okay to shoot a kid with a deadly weapon for damaging your property that man deserves to be in prison
You're too close to this case. I'm taking you off it.
Working in Auto Body Knowing a tiny little scrape on your bumper can cost 800 to sand it and paint it here in Canada having a big fat dent put into your car by some little shit that can cost you over a thousand dollars I would be pretty pissed. Maybe not shoot a child with a crossbow pissed but I would probably beat his ass...
On August 31 2011 11:54 tokicheese wrote: Working in Auto Body Knowing a tiny little scrape on your bumper can cost 800 to sand it and paint it here in Canada having a big fat dent put into your car by some little shit that can cost you over a thousand dollars I would be pretty pissed. Maybe not shoot a child with a crossbow pissed but I would probably beat his ass...
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
Nerds like RPG-esque violence.
If the story was about a kid who was throwing rocks, and was consequently brutally murdered with a large battle axe, you'd get the same result.
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
I would've done the same thing if that asshole kid was throwing at my car and actually hit and dented my car.
Then you'd go to jail for assault with a lethal weapon, or even attempted murder if the injury was serious enough.
Except for that the kid didn't die, so nice try but you're not as cute as you think you are.
On August 31 2011 11:45 Kamais_Ookin wrote: The crossbow shot was well-deserved, hope the kid squirmed on the ground like a fucking worm pinned with a rusty fork.
I take it you're trolling here too, right?
Throwing rocks should be punished with torturous impaling, and cheating in marriage should be punishable by death? You're a swell guy.
You should look at my recent posting history, there's also the soldiers as well. It's up to you to decide if I'm trolling or not.
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
Nerds like RPG-esque violence.
If the story was about a kid who was throwing rocks, and was consequently brutally murdered with a large battle axe, you'd get the same result.
On August 31 2011 11:49 kaisen wrote:
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
I would've done the same thing if that asshole kid was throwing at my car and actually hit and dented my car.
Then you'd go to jail for assault with a lethal weapon, or even attempted murder if the injury was serious enough.
Except for that the kid didn't die, so nice try but you're not as cute as you think you are.
it's ok cause he didn't die as long as people don't die it's to shoot them with crossbows
On August 31 2011 11:45 Kamais_Ookin wrote: The crossbow shot was well-deserved, hope the kid squirmed on the ground like a fucking worm pinned with a rusty fork.
I take it you're trolling here too, right?
Throwing rocks should be punished with torturous impaling, and cheating in marriage should be punishable by death? You're a swell guy.
You should look at my recent posting history, there's also the soldiers as well. It's up to you to decide if I'm trolling or not.
are you a sociopath or a eugenicist that's a serious question
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
Nerds like RPG-esque violence.
If the story was about a kid who was throwing rocks, and was consequently brutally murdered with a large battle axe, you'd get the same result.
On August 31 2011 11:49 kaisen wrote:
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not heroic, shooting a kid with a crossbow is fucking reprehensible, he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks. What the fuck has everyone gone crazy do you all really think this is okay?
I would've done the same thing if that asshole kid was throwing at my car and actually hit and dented my car.
Then you'd go to jail for assault with a lethal weapon, or even attempted murder if the injury was serious enough.
Except for that the kid didn't die, so nice try but you're not as cute as you think you are.
Read: attemped. It is implied that the act of murder failed.
But you're pretty cute, with your vastly superior intellect.
It's like the story of the guy that goes on the rampage in his workplace....WITH A GODDAMNED CLAY-MOOR. Doesn't matter how gratuitously violent the act was, it's still fucking badass.
What i wouldnt give... to have witnessed this first hand.
I would love to know how fast the car was moving when the bolt was shot.
Imagine the shock on your face sitting their being a piece of shit, thinking you are a badass.. suddenly.. "HOLY SHIT! WTF!!! AN ARROW?!?!? "
It seriously... would have made my lifetime. Talk about a lifestory. "One time i was 9 yrs old... throwing rocks at cars like a retard... and BAM!!! Crossbow bolt to the stomach!"
seriously...who can top this shit?
"You got shot in a drive by? WAS IT BY A FUCKING CROSSBOW? I didnt think so."
Imagine even being the guy with the crossbow.. **BOOOOOOOOMMMM** "WTF WAS THAT?!?! That little fucker..." *anxiously searched car for something for revenge...crossbow **angels sing** **Shoots crossbow** "EAT THIS SUCKER" "HOLY SHIT!! I HIT HIM!!!!!" *realizes he will be famous on the internet* "I KNEW carrying a loaded crossbow in my car at all times was a good idea!"
On August 31 2011 11:35 Nightfall.589 wrote: I think we found Tyrion.
Seriously though, I do hope they find the driver. And it's quite sickening to see people who think that the proper response to rocks thrown at a car... is the use of deadly force.
On August 31 2011 11:59 MaestroSC wrote: What i wouldnt give... to have witnessed this first hand.
I would love to know how fast the car was moving when the bolt was shot.
Imagine the shock on your face sitting their being a piece of shit, thinking you are a badass.. suddenly.. "HOLY SHIT! WTF!!! AN ARROW?!?!? "
It seriously... would have made my lifetime. Talk about a lifestory. "One time i was 9 yrs old... throwing rocks at cars like a retard... and BAM!!! Crossbow bolt to the stomach!"
seriously...who can top this shit?
"You got shot in a drive by? WAS IT BY A FUCKING CROSSBOW? I didnt think so."
I don't recall the article saying that the car was far away, or that the car was moving. As a matter of fact, it provided about as little detail as possible.
On August 31 2011 12:00 kOre wrote: So the question is ... why does he have a crossbow in his car? and an even bigger question is why was the crossbow ready to fire ... lol
Read thread and article.
I've said more than once hunters use crossbows EVERYDAY. No one ever said it was loaded and cocked, they said he shot it from inside a car. For all we know he prepared it, had the driver stop 3 feet away, shot the kid when they braked, and then they drove off.
On August 31 2011 11:35 Nightfall.589 wrote: I think we found Tyrion.
Seriously though, I do hope they find the driver. And it's quite sickening to see people who think that the proper response to rocks thrown at a car... is the use of deadly force.
He probably didn't have any rocks to throw back.
it's not shocking considering a huge population of TL posters are extreme right-wingers/anarcho capitalists or socially outcast narcissists
The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
I think I'm with Dr. H and Haemonculus on this one. I laughed at the idea of it at first, but when I thought of it in reality, it's actually pretty brutal. =/
I find it hard to believe that this was just one instance. For someone to get a crossbow and know where the boy was and actually hit him with the crossbow makes me think this was a reoccurring incident.
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
So you're trying to pass off shooting a kid with a weapon used to hunt bucks, male deer much larger and stronger than children, as "meh, just property protection"?
On August 31 2011 11:35 Nightfall.589 wrote: I think we found Tyrion.
Seriously though, I do hope they find the driver. And it's quite sickening to see people who think that the proper response to rocks thrown at a car... is the use of deadly force.
He probably didn't have any rocks to throw back.
it's not shocking considering a huge population of TL posters are extreme right-wingers/anarcho capitalists or socially outcast narcissists
When I think TL, the first thing that comes to mind is extreme right-wingers.
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
So you're trying to pass off shooting a kid with a weapon used to hunt bucks, male deer much larger and stronger than children, as "meh, just property protection"?
No, did you even read what I wrote?
Unless you consider my life as "property" then re-read my post or ask for clarification.
My point was that this kid wasn't just damaging property, he was ENDANGERING INNOCENT LIVES.
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
First paragraph...ok I can understand that. But come on, you can't honestly think shooting a dumbass kid with a crossbow is an appropriate response.
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
=.=
either way shooting arrows at people is barbaric.
yes, throwing rocks is too but he's a kid so give him a fucking break we've all done stupid shit in our lives.
How can you side with the crossbow guy? The kid could have been seriously hurt or killed. Wtf is wrong with you people?
I'm not saying it's not funny (because of how unexpected it is), but when people are seriously suggesting the kid deserved to get shot or when people applaud this guy, that's just really bad.
I didn't laugh once. I do think what the kid was doing was wrong and the crossbow shooter also. Kids do a lot of stupid things. edit* and in no way is this justice. The kid should have just been pulled aside and brought to some authority.
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
People who speed endanger the lives of others on the road. People die from people who speed and/or run red lights in their vehicles.
So, if I see someone speeding and am stopped at the same red light as them, I should be able to pull a gun, hop out of my car, and shoot them?
"If they're going to endanger my life and the lives of other innocent people, they deserve to be shot in the stomach with a gun"
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
=.=
either way shooting arrows at people is barbaric.
yes, throwing rocks is too but he's a kid so give him a fucking break we've all done stupid shit in our lives.
ive never endangered lifes by throwing rocks at moving cars, same with most kids
I'm going to guess that the guy's car got hit by rocks and he got mad and made a second pass with the crossbow. If you are dumb enough to stick around after throwing rocks at moving cars, then you deserve what you get (obviously this story would be terrible if the kid were killed). I bet this kid doesn't even get grounded after doing this because his parents feel sorry for him.
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
=.=
either way shooting arrows at people is barbaric.
yes, throwing rocks is too but he's a kid so give him a fucking break we've all done stupid shit in our lives.
True shooting arrows is barbaric, but the stupid shit I've done in my life didn't have the risk of killing innocent people.
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
First paragraph...ok I can understand that. But come on, you can't honestly think shooting a dumbass kid with a crossbow is an appropriate response.
No it isn't appropriate, I was being a little too dramatic. The kid deserves sever punishment and so does the driver.
On August 31 2011 12:07 Enervate wrote: How can you side with the crossbow guy? The kid could have been seriously hurt or killed. Wtf is wrong with you people?
I'm not saying it's not funny (because of how unexpected it is), but when people are seriously suggesting the kid deserved to get shot or when people applaud this guy, that's just really bad.
They're trying to justify a cool action or have an entirely unrealistic sense of punishment.
True shooting arrows is barbaric, but the stupid shit I've done in my life didn't have the risk of killing innocent people.
Well that's fan-fucking-tastic that you never did anything seriously harmful, but the fact remains that this was a child who got shot by a fucking crossbow. I doubt he realized how serious his actions were, but seriously no one should be condoning this type of response.
On August 31 2011 12:04 dangots0ul wrote: I find it hard to believe that this was just one instance. For someone to get a crossbow and know where the boy was and actually hit him with the crossbow makes me think this was a reoccurring incident.
If he owned the car is that defense of property?
No, because the act occurred after the act damaging property occurred, so unless the actor was under the belief that the boy was going to throw another rock at his car (unlikely, given the fact that cars travel pretty fast compared to the speed that a boy can run and/or throw a rock), defense of property is a laughable defense.
Even if the actor was under the belief the boy was going to throw another rock at his car, shooting him with a deadly weapon is not an appropriate defense. Not a single US jurisdiction allows for the use of deadly force to protect property as defense to a criminal charge.
As hilarious as this is, things could have been a lot worse. I remember 4 years ago, someone threw a rock onto a highway in Kiama, south of Sydney, in Australia, and the rock happened to smash through a window and break open a girl's skull, giving her brain damage and weeks in ICU. Because of that incident, in NSW they created a specific offence for rock throwing which carries a maximum five years in jail.
On August 31 2011 12:05 MaestroSC wrote: Who else thinks it should be mandatory for all drivers to carry crossbows in their cars from now on for self-defense?
I hope the guy makes a youtube video and dresses up as a masked robin hood "To vandals, all I have to say, is I'm watching and always ready!"
Glad the kid didnt die. but im glad he learned his lesson in probably the COOLEST way i have ever heard about.
the lesson he learned is that it's ok to use deadly force to protect your property against children like with most cases when adults are violent with children they aren't learning not to perform the behavior that caused the violent reaction but they are internalizing the idea that using violence is acceptable in the first place
On August 31 2011 12:10 TheLOLas wrote: .....what the hell......I mean yea the kid shouldn't be throwing rocks but you shouldn't shoot him. just beat him up once or twice.
call the police and get in contact with the parents to pay for the damages to your vehicle it's not okay to beat up children or anyone
On August 31 2011 12:07 Enervate wrote: How can you side with the crossbow guy? The kid could have been seriously hurt or killed. Wtf is wrong with you people?
The driver could have been seriously hurt or killed by the kid throwing rocks. Wtf is wrong with you?
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
People who speed endanger the lives of others on the road. People die from people who speed and/or run red lights in their vehicles.
So, if I see someone speeding and am stopped at the same red light as them, I should be able to pull a gun, hop out of my car, and shoot them?
"If they're going to endanger my life and the lives of other innocent people, they deserve to be shot in the stomach with a gun"
That sound about right?
I was being dramatic, get over it. The kid deserves sever punishment but obviously not getting shot.
On August 31 2011 11:52 MrMotionPicture wrote: Who has a crossbow just chilling in their car? What?
Hunters. People hunt with crossbows. :| How do nerds not know this? I feel like we should have a TL annual crossbow hunting party.
Judging by the majority of responses that actually sounds like a really bad idea haha. We would potentially end up with a bunch of dead children and a bunch of nerds in prison, nobody wants that.
On August 31 2011 12:07 Enervate wrote: How can you side with the crossbow guy? The kid could have been seriously hurt or killed. Wtf is wrong with you people?
The driver could have been seriously hurt or killed by the kid throwing rocks. Wtf is wrong with you?
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
People who speed endanger the lives of others on the road. People die from people who speed and/or run red lights in their vehicles.
So, if I see someone speeding and am stopped at the same red light as them, I should be able to pull a gun, hop out of my car, and shoot them?
"If they're going to endanger my life and the lives of other innocent people, they deserve to be shot in the stomach with a gun"
That sound about right?
I was being dramatic, get over it. The kid deserves sever punishment but obviously not getting shot.
I posted that before you said you were being dramatic. If you aren't serious about what you're saying, then don't say it in the first place, because it makes you look silly.
Also, people aren't saying that the actions of the child aren't reprehensible, just that shooting him with a deadly and potentially lethal weapon is in no way a suitable response.
"You mean you're saying the guy shouldn't have shot the kid in the stomach with a deadly weapon? So obviously you think it's okay to throw rocks at moving cars....."
On August 31 2011 11:52 MrMotionPicture wrote: Who has a crossbow just chilling in their car? What?
Hunters. People hunt with crossbows. :| How do nerds not know this? I feel like we should have a TL annual crossbow hunting party.
Judging by the majority of responses that actually sounds like a really bad idea haha. We would potentially end up with a bunch of dead children and a bunch of nerds in prison, nobody wants that.
Judging by the majority of responses, most people here do in fact want that.
On August 31 2011 12:14 GypsyBeast wrote: this is some old school justice, im sure that kid will be a super mannerd kid now
or traumatized.
Pretty sickening that people are actually defending the kid who endangered people's lives by throwing rocks at moving vehicles. -.-
HE'S A KID. HOLY SHIT. We all know throwing rocks at people is a bad thing! We're not saying it's okay! We're saying don't do it but if you see someone doing it IT'S NOT FUCKING OKAY TO GET A CROSSBOW AND SHOOT THEM CAUSE IT'S NOT A GOOD THING (and you'll probably miss anyways)!
Stop deluding yourself! I'm fairly certain the majority of the posters don't think that AT ALL.
I must say, once I found out that the kid is fine, this was one of the funniest things I've read on TL in a while. Kid shouldn't be throwing rocks at cars, guy shouldn't go around doing crossbow drive-bys. Hopefully the kid learned a lesson.
On August 31 2011 12:04 dangots0ul wrote: I find it hard to believe that this was just one instance. For someone to get a crossbow and know where the boy was and actually hit him with the crossbow makes me think this was a reoccurring incident.
If he owned the car is that defense of property?
No, because the act occurred after the act damaging property occurred, so unless the actor was under the belief that the boy was going to throw another rock at his car (unlikely, given the fact that cars travel pretty fast compared to the speed that a boy can run and/or throw a rock), defense of property is a laughable defense.
Even if the actor was under the belief the boy was going to throw another rock at his car, shooting him with a deadly weapon is not an appropriate defense. Not a single US jurisdiction allows for the use of deadly force to protect property as defense to a criminal charge.
Even when I was in Iraq, when the rocks could be followed by Molotov cocktails or grenades, we weren't authorized to even threaten deadly force for mere rocks. The fact that it was a crossbow certainly adds some WTF factor, but it's definitely over the top. I know if my kid was throwing rocks at cars, he'd get his ass in trouble, but if he got even threatened with a serious weapon, I'd be going after the person in the car...
In just this case, I support the guy who shot the crossbow. Normally shooting a potentially lethal weapon at people isn't a good thing, but this kid needs to learn what karma is. In this case since the kid didn't sustain life-threatening injuries, I hope the crossbow guy gets away.
In no way do I support using crossbows on miscreants though.
On August 31 2011 12:13 Shorty90 wrote: Pretty sickening that people are actually defending the shooter. -.-
A few months ago in Sacramento, three high school football players threw rocks at cars from an overpass and caused a major car accident and scarred a man's face from the rock striking him.
A lucky strike with a rock can be just as deadly as any other lethal weapon, I don't know why people are comparing the lethal-ness of either weapon and making justifications on who was right or wrong based on it.
If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
If the kid was throwing rocks on a highway, then the rock would break through the windshield and kill whoever it hits. A lot of people have died from this. To the guy in the car, it would be a choice between a rock flying through his skull, or braking hard and getting smashed in from the car behind him. Even though the kid does not deserve to be shot with the crossbow one bit, I would have done the same thing.
However the article says that it was in a neighborhood. So the car was driving 50km/h max. You see a kid throwing rocks at cars in front of you, you slow down and honk at the kid. There was no danger at all. Maybe the guy felt like doing a drive by shooting and would have shot the kid regardless.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
On August 31 2011 12:12 Haemonculus wrote: No one is defending the child's actions. Throwing rocks at cars is a shitty thing to do.
Retaliating with a deadly weapon is a far shittier thing to do.
No one is really "defending" the crossbow guy either as far as I can tell, other than saying the situation is hilarious to think about.
Actually, there are numerous people in this thread saying that the response was proper, and that the child "deserved" it, even going so far as to say they'd take the same action if placed into a similar situation.
On August 31 2011 12:07 Enervate wrote: How can you side with the crossbow guy? The kid could have been seriously hurt or killed. Wtf is wrong with you people?
The driver could have been seriously hurt or killed by the kid throwing rocks. Wtf is wrong with you?
On August 31 2011 12:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
I'm sure if the story was "Boy throws rocks at car, driver dies" your reactions would be a whole lot different, wouldn't they? If a kid is going to endanger my life and the life of other innocent people, he deserves to be shot in the stomach with a crossbow.
People who speed endanger the lives of others on the road. People die from people who speed and/or run red lights in their vehicles.
So, if I see someone speeding and am stopped at the same red light as them, I should be able to pull a gun, hop out of my car, and shoot them?
"If they're going to endanger my life and the lives of other innocent people, they deserve to be shot in the stomach with a gun"
That sound about right?
I was being dramatic, get over it. The kid deserves sever punishment but obviously not getting shot.
I posted that before you said you were being dramatic. If you aren't serious about what you're saying, then don't say it in the first place, because it makes you look silly.
Also, people aren't saying that the actions of the child aren't reprehensible, just that shooting him with a deadly and potentially lethal weapon is in no way a suitable response.
Tone doesn't transfer too well through text. I didn't think anyone would honestly believe I thought it was justifiable to shoot someone with a crossbow over it and hence would understand the tone with which I said that.
On August 31 2011 12:04 dangots0ul wrote: I find it hard to believe that this was just one instance. For someone to get a crossbow and know where the boy was and actually hit him with the crossbow makes me think this was a reoccurring incident.
If he owned the car is that defense of property?
No, because the act occurred after the act damaging property occurred, so unless the actor was under the belief that the boy was going to throw another rock at his car (unlikely, given the fact that cars travel pretty fast compared to the speed that a boy can run and/or throw a rock), defense of property is a laughable defense.
Even if the actor was under the belief the boy was going to throw another rock at his car, shooting him with a deadly weapon is not an appropriate defense. Not a single US jurisdiction allows for the use of deadly force to protect property as defense to a criminal charge.
Even when I was in Iraq, when the rocks could be followed by Molotov cocktails or grenades, we weren't authorized to even threaten deadly force for mere rocks. The fact that it was a crossbow certainly adds some WTF factor, but it's definitely over the top. I know if my kid was throwing rocks at cars, he'd get his ass in trouble, but if he got even threatened with a serious weapon, I'd be going after the person in the car...
You would go after the person in the car, but surely you would punish your kid afterwards...Right?
What the fuck teamliquid? Do you not realize how easily that kid could have been killed if the shot was off by a little? You guys really think that shooting a deadly weapon at someone because they threw a rock at a car is ok? Really; the fuck guys....
Pretty sickening that people are actually defending the kid who endangered people's lives by throwing rocks at moving vehicles. -.-
HE'S A KID. HOLY SHIT. We all know throwing rocks at people is a bad thing! We're not saying it's okay! We're saying don't do it but if you see someone doing it IT'S NOT FUCKING OKAY TO GET A CROSSBOW AND SHOOT THEM CAUSE IT'S NOT A GOOD THING (and you'll probably miss anyways)!
Stop deluding yourself! I'm fairly certain the majority of the posters don't think that AT ALL.
At any distance a kid could throw a rock, you can be pegged spot on by a crossbow. Honestly, i much rather see it as a sling-shot, not something so impactfull. In any case the kid could easily take off and what a pain in the ass would it be to have a car full of scratches and dents without justice.
Ill pat on the back any "lil shit got what he deserved" posts, but dont go seriously pegging jerks, ok guys?
On August 31 2011 12:18 Amui wrote: In just this case, I support the guy who shot the crossbow. Normally shooting a potentially lethal weapon at people isn't a good thing, but this kid needs to learn what karma is. In this case since the kid didn't sustain life-threatening injuries, I hope the crossbow guy gets away.
In no way do I support using crossbows on miscreants though.
Shooting a intentionally lethal weapon at a kid is okay if you're trying to teach a lesson?
WTF?! holy shit?! what?!
That's most certainly NOT OKAY. AT ALL. omg. What kind of lesson does that teach?
"Oh yeah you shouldn't throw rocks but if you see some other kid throwing a rock start aiming potentially lethal projectiles at him and hope you don't kill him!"
You fucking get out of the car, calmly go up to the kid and tell him that it is wrong to do such a thing and tell his parents. I don't know something a little more mature than just sh-
I read the entire thread, and could not believe that people like DocH and Haemonculus were the minority. It's appalling that the crossbow user is actually getting support from anyone; firing a quarrel at a child is fucked up, and is up there with the biggest overreactions ever.
That said, I also thought the story itself was fucking hilariously random and bizarre, and I gut-laughed for about two minutes. But despite the grotesque humor of the incident, at the end of the day, the fact remains that a child (remember, children are not yet fully capable of sound judgment) throwing rocks was shot by an adult using a potentially lethal weapon. That can NEVER be condoned, no matter how "awesome" the shot was.
On August 31 2011 12:05 MaestroSC wrote: Who else thinks it should be mandatory for all drivers to carry crossbows in their cars from now on for self-defense?
I hope the guy makes a youtube video and dresses up as a masked robin hood "To vandals, all I have to say, is I'm watching and always ready!"
Glad the kid didnt die. but im glad he learned his lesson in probably the COOLEST way i have ever heard about.
the lesson he learned is that it's ok to use deadly force to protect your property against children like with most cases when adults are violent with children they aren't learning not to perform the behavior that caused the violent reaction but they are internalizing the idea that using violence is acceptable in the first place
If you wanna throw down life lessons like this and actually be taken seriously, maybe you should use some punctuation and sentance structure. Also seems like you are taking the responses in this thread way too seriously.
The side of me that's tired from seeing so many kids get away with shit like this is laughing and celebrating but the other rational side is telling me that it's quite a disproportionate response to something like that.
I suppose that the kid won't ever throw rocks at cars again given what happened though.
I'm leaning towards the attitude of thanking the driver for doing it but wishing that he did it some other way such as grabbing the kid and getting his parents to pay for whatever hundreds or thousands of dollars in damages that the kid caused. The punishment that his parents'll dish out will impact the kid almost as much without causing possible death.
I just can't help but laugh every time I look at TeamLiquid and I see this headline.
I have friends who, while in highschool, engaged in shooting a BB gun at moving vehicles, and they cracked several windshields. I would have been upset had they been shot with a crossbow, naturally. However, I was disappointed to hear about them vandalizing property, so... I really don't know. Both are clearly incredibly dumb. Shooting a crossbow at kids is over the top though.
Well, this is just... special. I mean, kids who throw rocks at cars are assholes and deserve punishment, but I imagine crossbows are not what people think about when they think of such a punishment.
A little overboard. Still, a bit funny of a situation and one kid that will never throw rocks at a car again (probably).
On August 31 2011 12:01 Tektos wrote: The kid was throwing rocks at PASSING CARS. People have died from rocks throw by shithead little kids hitting their car.
The people trying to pass this kid's actions off as "meh, just damaging property no big deal" need to seriously re-evaluate the risks involved at throwing rocks at moving vehicles.
Pretty much what I was coming to say.
No, it wasn't OK to shoot him, but maybe the shooter felt it was justified self defense..? Bit hard to make a judgement without knowing the exact circumstances. Someone also said in the comments on the article that the 'kid' was 16, so not exactly a child.
On August 31 2011 12:05 MaestroSC wrote: Who else thinks it should be mandatory for all drivers to carry crossbows in their cars from now on for self-defense?
I hope the guy makes a youtube video and dresses up as a masked robin hood "To vandals, all I have to say, is I'm watching and always ready!"
Glad the kid didnt die. but im glad he learned his lesson in probably the COOLEST way i have ever heard about.
the lesson he learned is that it's ok to use deadly force to protect your property against children like with most cases when adults are violent with children they aren't learning not to perform the behavior that caused the violent reaction but they are internalizing the idea that using violence is acceptable in the first place
If you wanna throw down life lessons like this and actually be taken seriously, maybe you should use some punctuation and sentance structure. Also seems like you are taking the responses in this thread way too seriously.
you could also respond to my point instead of being upset that i don't use conventional "sentance structure" i tend to write in a stream of consciousness style? it's become a habit over the last few months i'm perfectly capable of writing formally but i choose not to
it's pretty serious the implication that people so readily believe violence (particularly against a minor) is an acceptable solution in pretty much any case is disturbing to me
On August 31 2011 12:04 dangots0ul wrote: I find it hard to believe that this was just one instance. For someone to get a crossbow and know where the boy was and actually hit him with the crossbow makes me think this was a reoccurring incident.
If he owned the car is that defense of property?
No, because the act occurred after the act damaging property occurred, so unless the actor was under the belief that the boy was going to throw another rock at his car (unlikely, given the fact that cars travel pretty fast compared to the speed that a boy can run and/or throw a rock), defense of property is a laughable defense.
Even if the actor was under the belief the boy was going to throw another rock at his car, shooting him with a deadly weapon is not an appropriate defense. Not a single US jurisdiction allows for the use of deadly force to protect property as defense to a criminal charge.
Even when I was in Iraq, when the rocks could be followed by Molotov cocktails or grenades, we weren't authorized to even threaten deadly force for mere rocks. The fact that it was a crossbow certainly adds some WTF factor, but it's definitely over the top. I know if my kid was throwing rocks at cars, he'd get his ass in trouble, but if he got even threatened with a serious weapon, I'd be going after the person in the car...
You would go after the person in the car, but surely you would punish your kid afterwards...Right?
Obviously. Someone else's stupid actions and decisions won't take away his responsibility for his.
On August 31 2011 12:22 Gamegene wrote: "Oh yeah you shouldn't throw rocks but if you see some other kid throwing a rock start aiming potentially lethal projectiles at him and hope you don't kill him!"
If you see another kid throwing a rock start aiming potentially lethal projectiles at him?
Shooting a kid, or anybody, with a weapon is unacceptable if it isn't justifiable self defense but honestly I'm not surprised just like most everybody here. The child was endangering the lives of the drivers he was assaulting and he put himself in a bad position and suffered consequences for it. I feel no sympathy for the kid.
Being "just a kid" is no excuse for being a total idiot.
At first I kind of thought it was funny, but no, its just sick. How many of us did this sort of shit when your kids? Not necessarily stoning a car [I did that though] but just general shenanigans? Boys are rough, you adventure about and screw around and get in trouble. Disgusting to think that that kind of "trouble" can involve someone attempting to murder them...
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
In a sense, stories like these would spread to thousands of would-be tyrants that may decide to hurl a rock may choose not to. That rock would've smote that guy...and possibly cause another accident upon being struck...
It'd be a different story if the child was doing something else before being shot.
On August 31 2011 12:22 Gamegene wrote: "Oh yeah you shouldn't throw rocks but if you see some other kid throwing a rock start aiming potentially lethal projectiles at him and hope you don't kill him!"
If you see another kid throwing a rock start aiming potentially lethal projectiles at him?
Potentially lethal projects, as in rocks?
You're cute. But I wouldn't consider rocks to be "projects".
But if you're fine with the idea, I'm sure I could find someone willing to shoot you with a crossbow the first time you do something that endangers a life, like speeding, smoking in public, having the flu and going outside.. etc.
On August 31 2011 12:31 SpectralFremen wrote: If some kids was chucking rocks at my car whilst I was driving, being shot by a crossbow would be pleasant compared to what I'd do to him.
On August 31 2011 12:22 Gamegene wrote: "Oh yeah you shouldn't throw rocks but if you see some other kid throwing a rock start aiming potentially lethal projectiles at him and hope you don't kill him!"
If you see another kid throwing a rock start aiming potentially lethal projectiles at him?
Potentially lethal projects, as in rocks?
You're cute. But I wouldn't consider rocks to be "projects".
But if you're fine with the idea, I'm sure I could find someone willing to shoot you with a crossbow the first time you do something that endangers a life, like speeding, smoking in public, having the flu and going outside.. etc.
I meant projectiles obviously.
I've clearly stated three times now that shooting him with a crossbow was a bit far but the kid definitely deserved to be punished. Get off my nuts.
And as for your examples of endangering other's lives: I've never sped, I don't smoke and I stay at home when I have the flu so more examples please.
I think if he killed him that should be excessive use of force and murder or man slaughter, given that the kid would most likely be easily disabled by non-lethal force, but that every citizen should have the authority to attempt to use rational due force to subdue anyone who is a lethal threat to others, taking what someone else posted that throwing rocks at moving cars can be lethal, though I suppose that would depend on the trajectory relative to the velocity of the car. I suspect there are many people who let their emotions take over whenever something happens to a little kid, but general rules need to apply in law and every citizen deserves the right to self defense, as well as the right to defend others rationally and with witnesses present.
God how do you shoot someone in a car with a crossbow. Better yet what the fuck are you doing driving around with a crossbow. Poor kid though, his parents probably never taught him right.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
On August 31 2011 11:32 brain_ wrote: Am I a bad person for laughing pretty hard at this story?
I mean sure, shooting someone with a potentially lethal weapon when they throw rocks at your car is an overreaction. But at the same time, I love to see little shits get what is coming to them.
I believe you underestimate the weight of the kid's actions. A rock hitting someone in a fast moving vehicle can do VERY serious damage. I vaguely remember a case in Hungary where some kids were throwing rocks at a train, killing a passenger. Considering this is the United States, it might fit the definition of self defense.
On August 31 2011 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he should have called the cops and reported that the kid was shooting rocks
i don't get the story. how can you hit a kid with a crossbow which wants to throw rocks on your car while driving? assumed you go by 90mph? what am i missing? when you have your crosscbow charged you can't even assume a revenge shot...
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
i disagree that his parents are solely to blame or that he deserved to be shot therefore i am a troll and a 2 year old.
On August 31 2011 11:53 EMIYA wrote: Honestly, the kid is lucky he didn't have a catapult strapped into the truck bed
Went through the entire thread and thought this was by far the funniest post. Imagine the headline for that story! LOL
On August 31 2011 12:21 Nothingtosay wrote: What the fuck teamliquid? Do you not realize how easily that kid could have been killed if the shot was off by a little? You guys really think that shooting a deadly weapon at someone because they threw a rock at a car is ok? Really; the fuck guys....
Sorry, but we've got to stick to our "right-winger" mentality...
I've got to admit i found this rather amusing. I used to do this kind of punk ass shit when i was that age and never really suffered any direct consequences for it. Ironically at my current age i've been a mechanic for quite some time and an avid car enthusiast knowing now of the love, cost, and necessity of a car and having to repair it. So while i do view the retaliation as quite over the top, in the end everyone is fine so there is no tragedy.
On August 31 2011 11:32 brain_ wrote: Am I a bad person for laughing pretty hard at this story?
I mean sure, shooting someone with a potentially lethal weapon when they throw rocks at your car is an overreaction. But at the same time, I love to see little shits get what is coming to them.
I believe you underestimate the weight of the kid's actions. A rock hitting someone in a fast moving vehicle can do VERY serious damage. I vaguely remember a case in Hungary where some kids were throwing rocks at a train, killing a passenger. Considering this is the United States, it might fit the definition of self defense.
On August 31 2011 12:34 Tektos wrote: I meant projectiles obviously.
I've clearly stated three times now that shooting him with a crossbow was a bit far but the kid definitely deserved to be punished. Get off my nuts.
And as for your examples of endangering other's lives: I've never sped, I don't smoke and I stay at home when I have the flu so more examples please.
Quit making shitty posts in this thread that just encourage people to call you an idiot. Seriously if you don't want to have people on your nuts then stop egging people on.
If you've never seen a crossbow in action then you probably have no way of conceiving exactly how deadly a loosed bolt is. I have watched deer take one through the heart/lungs and be dead before their legs even gave out, and I can tell you that what the guy in the car did was just as bad as any attempted murder with a firearm. If that bolt had landed six inches higher the kid would be IN THE GROUND right now.
You all just think it's funny because you don't connote a crossbow with dramatic death like you do a gun.
sometimes the reactions to circumstances people have remind me that we have actually not progressed as a species morally in the last few centuries. thanks OP.
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You all just think it's funny because you don't connote a crossbow with dramatic death like you do a gun
that's actually probably it. i can't imagine you guys all being some kind of twisted fucks, you probably just think it's funny in your head cuz your concept of crossbows come from movies and video games and you don't realize that crossbows are basically primitive guns. it wouldn't be funny to anyone if the title was "boy throws rock at car, passenger shoots him"
On August 31 2011 12:40 nemo14 wrote: If you've never seen a crossbow in action then you probably have no way of conceiving exactly how deadly a loosed bolt is. I have watched deer take one through the heart/lungs and be dead before their legs even gave out, and I can tell you that what the guy in the car did was just as bad as any attempted murder with a firearm. If that bolt had landed six inches higher the kid would be IN THE GROUND right now.
You all just think it's funny because you don't connote a crossbow with dramatic death like you do a gun.
no some people actually think the best way to have a society is to let people learn right/wrong by being beaten severely or injured/kill when they make mistakes i'm sure if it was a gun there would be quite a few people saying the same thing "his parents should have taught him better" "well he won't be throwing rocks ever again, he learned his lesson"
Funny as hell at first, but it's really not cool of the guy. The punishment doesn't exactly fit the crime here and the guy should definitely go to jail. Yeah the rock couldv'e dented the car and cost the man a few hundred bucks, but the crossbow bolt also could have killed the kid. Not cool.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
On August 31 2011 12:34 muse5187 wrote: God how do you shoot someone in a car with a crossbow. Better yet what the fuck are you doing driving around with a crossbow. Poor kid though, his parents probably never taught him right.
The child was terrorizing him... He had to protect himself with some use of force... It's very much possible for someone to cause sufficient damage to the driver, resulting in a big car accident...
"We cannot stand by and do nothing while dangers gather. " "As a matter of common sense and self-defense, will act against such emerging threats before they are fully formed." "If you want to keep the peace, you’ve got to have the authorization to use force." -George W. Bush
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
i disagree that his parents are solely to blame or that he deserved to be shot therefore i am a troll and a 2 year old.
As long as you inform your children of the potential consequences of throwing rocks and do your utmost to ensure they never do then you aren't a troll. You are right though... the kid is also to blame for his actions. 50/50
Makes me wonder if the shooter just happened to have a crossbow on hand or was the bastard throwing rocks earlier and he went home and got the crossbow then came back
On August 31 2011 12:40 nemo14 wrote: If you've never seen a crossbow in action then you probably have no way of conceiving exactly how deadly a loosed bolt is. I have watched deer take one through the heart/lungs and be dead before their legs even gave out, and I can tell you that what the guy in the car did was just as bad as any attempted murder with a firearm. If that bolt had landed six inches higher the kid would be IN THE GROUND right now.
You all just think it's funny because you don't connote a crossbow with dramatic death like you do a gun.
How about getting hit in the head with a rock while you're driving 40mph?
On August 31 2011 12:40 nemo14 wrote: If you've never seen a crossbow in action then you probably have no way of conceiving exactly how deadly a loosed bolt is. I have watched deer take one through the heart/lungs and be dead before their legs even gave out, and I can tell you that what the guy in the car did was just as bad as any attempted murder with a firearm. If that bolt had landed six inches higher the kid would be IN THE GROUND right now.
You all just think it's funny because you don't connote a crossbow with dramatic death like you do a gun.
How about getting hit in the head with a rock while you're driving 40mph?
It was never stated whether or not the car was moving or how fast it was going.
On August 31 2011 12:34 Tektos wrote: I meant projectiles obviously.
I've clearly stated three times now that shooting him with a crossbow was a bit far but the kid definitely deserved to be punished. Get off my nuts.
And as for your examples of endangering other's lives: I've never sped, I don't smoke and I stay at home when I have the flu so more examples please.
Quit making shitty posts in this thread that just encourage people to call you an idiot. Seriously if you don't want to have people on your nuts then stop egging people on.
Fail to see how I've been egging people on when the tl;dr of my posts = Throwing rocks is dangerous, kid deserved to be punished.
I'm not going to lie, this is really really cool. I'd be on the other side if someone had been arrested or the kid had died, but for now the story is just plain awesome.
On August 31 2011 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: why are people assuming it was a fast moving car on a highway he was throwing it in a neighborhood i doubt it was going over 25
If a car swerved into the other lane cause they see this big rock coming at their person, and caused a car accident, and multiple people died, what would you say.
Being hit with a rock at any speed is dangerous.
Being in a car accident can cause severe injury at very low speeds.
On August 31 2011 12:40 nemo14 wrote: If you've never seen a crossbow in action then you probably have no way of conceiving exactly how deadly a loosed bolt is. I have watched deer take one through the heart/lungs and be dead before their legs even gave out, and I can tell you that what the guy in the car did was just as bad as any attempted murder with a firearm. If that bolt had landed six inches higher the kid would be IN THE GROUND right now.
You all just think it's funny because you don't connote a crossbow with dramatic death like you do a gun.
no some people actually think the best way to have a society is to let people learn right/wrong by being beaten severely or injured/kill when they make mistakes i'm sure if it was a gun there would be quite a few people saying the same thing "his parents should have taught him better" "well he won't be throwing rocks ever again, he learned his lesson"
LOL Are you serious? Bumping into a stand and breaking a vase is a mistake, eating somebody else's pudding without knowing is a mistake but throwing rocks at moving cars is NOT a mistake. He didn't deserve getting shot or getting beat by a stranger, he deserved to be drug to a court and told the severity of his actions and made to see what could happen and do fucking community service. But just because he's the victim of a far greater crime DOES NOT pardon him of his reckless idiocy.
are they kids or not (justice wise; sry i lack proper wording) you can teach kids right from wrong, but they still do not know how severly (?) their acting will be...
sry for spelling and grammar, please correct at will
so kids have no consequences these days but a crossbow bolt is a little harsh. If it was a hunting crossbow with a spring loaded broad head i have to disagree but if it was one of the compact jobs with a target blunt on it id say good job. this story should be told to all grade-school students maybe it would affect hooliganism stats.
oh man this is hilarious. You gotta have some pure evil to be able to point a weapon at a kid, but you've also got to have pure aim to hit your target from a moving car. AND he didn't get arrested. This guy and the whole story is awesome LOL.
You think this is the only case a kid got severily injured/murdered for doing stupid shit? The sad thing it's not even his fault. It's parenting failure, Which is pretty much the cause for all the cimes in the world. They don't know better.
On August 31 2011 12:40 nemo14 wrote: If you've never seen a crossbow in action then you probably have no way of conceiving exactly how deadly a loosed bolt is. I have watched deer take one through the heart/lungs and be dead before their legs even gave out, and I can tell you that what the guy in the car did was just as bad as any attempted murder with a firearm. If that bolt had landed six inches higher the kid would be IN THE GROUND right now.
You all just think it's funny because you don't connote a crossbow with dramatic death like you do a gun.
How about getting hit in the head with a rock while you're driving 40mph?
It was never stated whether or not the car was moving or how fast it was going.
"A boy was shot in the abdomen by a crossbow bolt Monday after he and another boy were throwing rocks at a passing car in Linda Vista, San Diego police said."
Car was moving.
How fast? That we do not know, but if the car is moving even at a reasonably slow pace it is still quite dangerous.
It also didn't say how hard they were throwing the rocks, how large the rocks were, etc.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
On August 31 2011 12:40 nemo14 wrote: If you've never seen a crossbow in action then you probably have no way of conceiving exactly how deadly a loosed bolt is. I have watched deer take one through the heart/lungs and be dead before their legs even gave out, and I can tell you that what the guy in the car did was just as bad as any attempted murder with a firearm. If that bolt had landed six inches higher the kid would be IN THE GROUND right now.
You all just think it's funny because you don't connote a crossbow with dramatic death like you do a gun.
no some people actually think the best way to have a society is to let people learn right/wrong by being beaten severely or injured/kill when they make mistakes i'm sure if it was a gun there would be quite a few people saying the same thing "his parents should have taught him better" "well he won't be throwing rocks ever again, he learned his lesson"
LOL Are you serious? Bumping into a stand and breaking a vase is a mistake, eating somebody else's pudding without knowing is a mistake but throwing rocks at moving cars is NOT a mistake. He didn't deserve getting shot or getting beat by a stranger, he deserved to be drug to a court and told the severity of his actions and made to see what could happen and do fucking community service. But just because he's the victim of a far greater crime DOES NOT pardon him of his reckless idiocy.
Yeah I agree. It's a mistake of choice but by mistake I really mean bad decision, not an accidental mishap. By no means am I saying the kid wasn't terribly wrong or that he should be pardoned. I never said that. He by all means should have been arrested. All I'm saying is the actions of the driver were reprehensible.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I'd have to support the crossbow shooter. Seriously, the kid was absolutely callous in thinking that throwing rocks at cars is fun. At the very least, he should have learned that karma's a bitch that's willing to kick you right back in the ass if you decide to mess with it. If you're willing to potentially kill a driver, you better expect that something's gonna happen to you, either by the law or, in this case, someone with a crossbow ready to shoot you.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
you don't know anything about this kids parents
I know they couldn't teach one of their kids not to throw rocks at cars. And that is a very basic concept..... therefore they probably won't win mother and father of the year.
On August 31 2011 12:04 dangots0ul wrote: I find it hard to believe that this was just one instance. For someone to get a crossbow and know where the boy was and actually hit him with the crossbow makes me think this was a reoccurring incident.
If he owned the car is that defense of property?
No, because the act occurred after the act damaging property occurred, so unless the actor was under the belief that the boy was going to throw another rock at his car (unlikely, given the fact that cars travel pretty fast compared to the speed that a boy can run and/or throw a rock), defense of property is a laughable defense.
Even if the actor was under the belief the boy was going to throw another rock at his car, shooting him with a deadly weapon is not an appropriate defense. Not a single US jurisdiction allows for the use of deadly force to protect property as defense to a criminal charge.
Even when I was in Iraq, when the rocks could be followed by Molotov cocktails or grenades, we weren't authorized to even threaten deadly force for mere rocks. The fact that it was a crossbow certainly adds some WTF factor, but it's definitely over the top. I know if my kid was throwing rocks at cars, he'd get his ass in trouble, but if he got even threatened with a serious weapon, I'd be going after the person in the car...
You would go after the person in the car, but surely you would punish your kid afterwards...Right?
Obviously. Someone else's stupid actions and decisions won't take away his responsibility for his.
Its disturbing how many people think this is funny.....
Apparently just because it is a crossbow its hilarious. Crossbows are actually quite common for hunting, so it is not surprising to me at all.
The shooter shot the kid knowing that he might actually kill him, how the hell can anyone be rooting for him? Sure the kid is a hooligan for throwing rocks, but he doesn't deserve to be shot by anything.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
you don't know anything about this kids parents
I know they couldn't teach one of their kids not to throw rocks at cars. And that is a very basic concept..... therefore they probably won't win mother and father of the year.
Unfortunately, not every 16 year old kid is going to abide by everything his/her parents tell them. Just letting you know
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
you don't know anything about this kids parents
I know they couldn't teach one of their kids not to throw rocks at cars. And that is a very basic concept..... therefore they probably won't win mother and father of the year.
my parents taught me a lot of thing that i disobeyed as a teenager because i was influenced by alternative peer groups or whatever
society is pretty complex when it comes to forming value systems it's not just a top down Parent->Child system, there are more things involved. the whole method by which people can get groomed into crime despite what their parents may or may not believe has a few explanations. look up differential association
On August 31 2011 12:40 nemo14 wrote: If you've never seen a crossbow in action then you probably have no way of conceiving exactly how deadly a loosed bolt is. I have watched deer take one through the heart/lungs and be dead before their legs even gave out, and I can tell you that what the guy in the car did was just as bad as any attempted murder with a firearm. If that bolt had landed six inches higher the kid would be IN THE GROUND right now.
You all just think it's funny because you don't connote a crossbow with dramatic death like you do a gun.
How about getting hit in the head with a rock while you're driving 40mph?
What about it? Are you defending the shooter?
I'd understand your sentiment if the person in the car had pulled over, bent the kid over his knee, and given him a sound spanking, but that is worlds away from assault with a deadly weapon. Anyone who thinks that shooting a child is a justifiable method of disciplining him needs to step back and reassess their ideas about how to teach proper judgement.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
It was.... self defense.
I think maybe the medic from TF2 was there, you never know what his Crusader's Crossbow can do.
I have been reading over these forums now for some time, though I never bothered to sign up to post anything here. As a website for Starcraft enthusiasts it absolutely gets top marks, but I could never get past the reputation these forums have.
This will be my first post, and it wouldn't terribly surprise me if I discover that it's my last. I thought these forums were populated by intelligent people because of the nature of the often thought provoking content in the news that is posted and discussed here on a daily basis. I have to wonder though; I am utterly baffled at the overwhelming response either validating this reprehensible act, applauding the marksmanship, or making light of the situation. Firing a crossbow at a child from a car (moving or otherwise) for any reason is the height of callous negligent irresponsibility. What do you really know about the child? What if the child bled to death? What if the bolt missed and killed someone enjoying a morning stroll? Is this really the way we have been bred to respond to this type of behavior? Is it normal to suggest this is karma? What does it say about us when we look upon this as justice served or find it funny in any way?
DoctorHelvetica and Chargelot, I am thankful for people like you.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
The amount of money you make or the culture you are brought up in might mean life is hard. It doesn't mean you have to be stupid. It doesn't mean you HAVE to be a criminal. Those are choices.
Maybe the kid runs with the wrong crowd. Maybe the parents aren't to blame and tried vigorously to teach him the potential repercussions of throwing rocks at cars and how he could cause an accident or someone might shoot him with a gun. Maybe now he understands what they tried to teach him. Odds are its a lesson he was never taught and now has to learn it for himself. And if he was never taught they are to blame for his current situation.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
Good point, but overdone in my opinion.
Kids will be kids regardless of the parenting. Parents cannot continuously babysit their children.
A more normal response to a kid throwing a rock at your car would be to go to the child's parents, and then that behavior would be corrected.
I doubt even the best socioeconomic status would stop a kid from being a kid as well.
On August 31 2011 12:05 MaestroSC wrote: Who else thinks it should be mandatory for all drivers to carry crossbows in their cars from now on for self-defense?
I hope the guy makes a youtube video and dresses up as a masked robin hood "To vandals, all I have to say, is I'm watching and always ready!"
Glad the kid didnt die. but im glad he learned his lesson in probably the COOLEST way i have ever heard about.
the lesson he learned is that it's ok to use deadly force to protect your property against children like with most cases when adults are violent with children they aren't learning not to perform the behavior that caused the violent reaction but they are internalizing the idea that using violence is acceptable in the first place
If you wanna throw down life lessons like this and actually be taken seriously, maybe you should use some punctuation and sentance structure. Also seems like you are taking the responses in this thread way too seriously.
you could also respond to my point instead of being upset that i don't use conventional "sentance structure" i tend to write in a stream of consciousness style? it's become a habit over the last few months i'm perfectly capable of writing formally but i choose not to
it's pretty serious the implication that people so readily believe violence (particularly against a minor) is an acceptable solution in pretty much any case is disturbing to me
I never said I was upset, I just think that people would take you more seriously, if that is what you are after.
Also I don't really see the point in responding to your actual point in this case since you were responding to a comment that was clearly a joke.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
The amount of money you make or the culture you are brought up in might mean life is hard. It doesn't mean you have to be stupid. It doesn't mean you HAVE to be a criminal. Those are choices.
Maybe the kid runs with the wrong crowd. Maybe the parents aren't to blame and tried vigorously to teach him the potential repercussions of throwing rocks at cars and how he could cause an accident or someone might shoot him with a gun. Maybe now he understands what they tried to teach him. Odds are its a lesson he was never taught and now has to learn it for himself. And if he was never taught they are to blame for his current situation.
Okay, yeah. You're talking beyond your own knowledge.
Chicago School of Sociology, see what's up and then come back :3!
What you are saying now is nonsensical and borderline rambling.
you see people can't really admit they like the idea of vigilante justice/shooting a kid with a crossbow without looking like sociopaths so they made up conclusions that were never mentioned like the car going 40MPH + or the rock being huge and chucked right into the windshield and other ridiculous "could have" situations that didn't happen
what DID happen is a kid got shot in the stomach with a crossbow for committing a potentially dangerous act of vandalism (not enough information provided in the article for any of you to determine how dangerous the rock thrower was) and although what the kid did was wrong and he should be prosecuted that is no excuse for the driver taking justice into his own hands and using deadly force
i don't get it. throwing rocks at a car from a bridge is wrong. but how in in anyway can it justify a passenger to have a weapon ready to shoot to kill? crossbow or not, it could easily have been an assault rifle. so it shouldn't make a difference.
the kid did wrong, but how can you see an adult in a car ready to kill? (an armed crossbow is as deadly as any other firearm).
please give more information since the op lacks it.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
you don't know anything about this kids parents
I know they couldn't teach one of their kids not to throw rocks at cars. And that is a very basic concept..... therefore they probably won't win mother and father of the year.
my parents taught me a lot of thing that i disobeyed as a teenager because i was influenced by alternative peer groups or whatever
society is pretty complex when it comes to forming value systems it's not just a top down Parent->Child system, there are more things involved. the whole method by which people can get groomed into crime despite what their parents may or may not believe has a few explanations. look up differential association
Well if the kid choose to ignore his parents... as has been stated.... LOL. He got what was coming to him and hopefully learnt his lesson.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids.
If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe.
On August 31 2011 12:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [quote] are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
you don't know anything about this kids parents
I know they couldn't teach one of their kids not to throw rocks at cars. And that is a very basic concept..... therefore they probably won't win mother and father of the year.
my parents taught me a lot of thing that i disobeyed as a teenager because i was influenced by alternative peer groups or whatever
society is pretty complex when it comes to forming value systems it's not just a top down Parent->Child system, there are more things involved. the whole method by which people can get groomed into crime despite what their parents may or may not believe has a few explanations. look up differential association
Well if the kid choose to ignore his parents... as has been stated.... LOL. He got what was coming to him and hopefully learnt his lesson.
your view is pretty black and white that's not how the world works
On August 31 2011 13:05 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote: How can you guys be cheering for the guy that shot the kid? That really is pretty disgusting -.-
I'm sure you guys have done stupid shit while you were kids too, do you think you deserved a fucking crossbow bolt in the chest because of it?
The driver who shot the kid is an idiot, that crossbow probably had as good of a chance of killing him as it did not
Can you shoot a kid with a crossbow while driving a SUV? HUH? CAN YOU?
Any gangbanger can brag about shooting up a neighborhood with his mac-10, how many people can say they've done it w/ a crossbow? and to a douchebag kid f-cking up his ride?
On August 31 2011 12:40 nemo14 wrote: If you've never seen a crossbow in action then you probably have no way of conceiving exactly how deadly a loosed bolt is. I have watched deer take one through the heart/lungs and be dead before their legs even gave out, and I can tell you that what the guy in the car did was just as bad as any attempted murder with a firearm. If that bolt had landed six inches higher the kid would be IN THE GROUND right now.
You all just think it's funny because you don't connote a crossbow with dramatic death like you do a gun.
no some people actually think the best way to have a society is to let people learn right/wrong by being beaten severely or injured/kill when they make mistakes i'm sure if it was a gun there would be quite a few people saying the same thing "his parents should have taught him better" "well he won't be throwing rocks ever again, he learned his lesson"
LOL Are you serious? Bumping into a stand and breaking a vase is a mistake, eating somebody else's pudding without knowing is a mistake but throwing rocks at moving cars is NOT a mistake. He didn't deserve getting shot or getting beat by a stranger, he deserved to be drug to a court and told the severity of his actions and made to see what could happen and do fucking community service. But just because he's the victim of a far greater crime DOES NOT pardon him of his reckless idiocy.
Yeah I agree. It's a mistake of choice but by mistake I really mean bad decision, not an accidental mishap. By no means am I saying the kid wasn't terribly wrong or that he should be pardoned. I never said that. He by all means should have been arrested. All I'm saying is the actions of the driver were reprehensible.
I understand what you're saying now. One of the greatest lessons I learned in life was that the easiest way to avoid danger is to avoid situations that invite danger. It's disgusting somebody would shoot a kid but he was in a situation that openly welcomed retaliation. I hope they find the guy who shot him and throw him in prison but I also hope this kid understands the full gravity of what he did.
He's lucky he didn't kill somebody and he's lucky he didn't get killed.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
I don't understand what is going on at TL. Every thread about something horrible there are like 10 guys saying the victim deserved it. The boy is a victim, it's such an extreme use of force. A crossbow is a fucking deadly weapon and should be considered as such in the same way a gun is. If your kid did something wrong is it ok for me to shoot them with my gun?
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids.
If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe.
This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson.
As for those saying unreasonable force, I don't care. Throw rocks at cars, get shot by crossbow, instant justice. Don't like it? Don't throw rocks at cars.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
no its not because when you take into account hte location the speed limit couldn't have been higher than 30 MPH and if the driver were speeding that would probably get a mention
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids.
If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe.
This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg.
He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
Pretty crazy that some guy did a drive-by with a crossbow on a kid that was just throwing rocks at cars, not exactly a good way to punish a kid but I guess it stops him from doing it again. Gotta admit though, the guy was a hell of a shot if he got the kid in dead center of his body while in a moving car.
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids.
If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe.
This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson.
I get it because I have the scars to prove it. Getting a smack across the backside is a whole lot better than setting fire to the house because of the pretty sticks.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg.
He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
no its not because when you take into account hte location the speed limit couldn't have been higher than 30 MPH and if the driver were speeding that would probably get a mention
On August 31 2011 12:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [quote] are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids.
If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe.
This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson.
every child psychologist pretty much disagrees
Pfft, what do they know, they only made a career out of it.
Also, 3/4 of people who were beaten, go on to beat their children, be the 1/4 and break the chain !
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg.
He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
Im just wondering if you've ever driven on the highway, because rocks are constantly jumping up from the wheels and hitting cars, it may crack the windshield, but it most certainly wouldn't be dangerous as long as the driver kept his composure and didnt crash.
The kid needed to learn a lesson about respect and consequences. He did. His parents should consider getting his belly tattooed with a bull's eye so he doesn't forget anytime soon.
On August 31 2011 13:00 sevencck wrote: Hi everyone,
I have been reading over these forums now for some time, though I never bothered to sign up to post anything here. As a website for Starcraft enthusiasts it absolutely gets top marks, but I could never get past the reputation these forums have.
This will be my first post, and it wouldn't terribly surprise me if I discover that it's my last. I thought these forums were populated by intelligent people because of the nature of the often thought provoking content in the news that is posted and discussed here on a daily basis. I have to wonder though; I am utterly baffled at the overwhelming response either validating this reprehensible act, applauding the marksmanship, or making light of the situation. Firing a crossbow at a child from a car (moving or otherwise) for any reason is the height of callous negligent irresponsibility. What do you really know about the child? What if the child bled to death? What if the bolt missed and killed someone enjoying a morning stroll? Is this really the way we have been bred to respond to this type of behavior? Is it normal to suggest this is karma? What does it say about us when we look upon this as justice served or find it funny in any way?
DoctorHelvetica and Chargelot, I am thankful for people like you.
How about you take your negative "what if" blinders off. Had all those happened of course you'd be seeing a much different reaction from the forums, and more than likely outrage against the driver. However, none of that happened. I repeat, none of that happened. The boy is fine, his injuries are not life threatening, and therefore it's not unreasonable to believe he'll make a full recovery. Most people here do acknowledge that this was an overreaction, but the outrageousness of the act is pretty amusing due to the sheer unlikelihood it would ever happen. And then it remains funny after found to be non fatal and the kid hasn't been maimed for life.
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids.
If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe.
This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson.
every child psychologist pretty much disagrees
Pfft, what do they know, they only made a career out of it.
Also, 3/4 of people who were beaten, go on to beat their children, be the 1/4 and break the chain !
Beating a child and giving them a smack on the butt are significantly different things.
On August 31 2011 13:14 Kaitlin wrote: His parents should consider getting his belly tattooed with a bull's eye so he doesn't forget anytime soon.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
no its not because when you take into account hte location the speed limit couldn't have been higher than 30 MPH and if the driver were speeding that would probably get a mention
I find it difficult to believe he was going faster than 30 or so just because he was able to stop, get the crossbow, get it through the window, line up a shot, and still have a shot before the kid had bolted out of range or gotten to cover.
You know if he'd had to back up the kid would have had time to get clear.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg.
He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
Where exactly did i say i didn't think it was dangerous........
I was only pointing out your ridiculous assumptions on the speed of the car
On August 31 2011 12:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [quote] are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids.
If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe.
This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson.
every child psychologist pretty much disagrees
And how many child psychologists children throw rocks at cars? If they all do then I worry about future children and the adults they will turn into.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg.
He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
no its not because when you take into account hte location the speed limit couldn't have been higher than 30 MPH and if the driver were speeding that would probably get a mention
Same above, 25mph is enough.
It's dangerous and warrants arrest and probably a huge fine but not getting shot in the chest with a crossbow by a citizen
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg.
He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
Where exactly did i say i didn't think it was dangerous........
I was only pointing out your ridiculous assumptions on the speed of the car
I didn't assume anything. I was simply stating that the article did not specify anything more than it was a moving vehicle so it doesn't matter if he was going 20mph or 20000mph, throwing rocks at moving cars can potentially kill people.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg.
He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
On August 31 2011 13:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:07 Tektos wrote:
On August 31 2011 13:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 31 2011 12:58 Tektos wrote:
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
no its not because when you take into account hte location the speed limit couldn't have been higher than 30 MPH and if the driver were speeding that would probably get a mention
Same above, 25mph is enough.
It's dangerous and warrants arrest and probably a huge fine but not getting shot in the chest with a crossbow by a citizen
I didn't say he deserved being shot, simply that throwing rocks has the potential to kill people.
Hence the "I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder." - Please read what you're responding to.
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids.
If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe.
This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson.
every child psychologist pretty much disagrees
And how many child psychologists children throw rocks at cars? If they all do then I worry about future children and the adults they will turn into.
that isn't relevant beating your kids is a pretty terrible way to raise them because it models aggressive behavior in fact those kids that get slapped/physically disciplined are probably the ones throwing the rocks
On August 31 2011 12:19 Bobgrimly wrote: If the kid died I wouldn't blame the shooter. I would blame the kids parents. My parents taught me right from wrong. If you are stupid enough to discuss whether or not the shooter over reacted the first thing you should be discussing is how a child is not taught that throwing rocks at a moving vehicle can result in damage to not only property but to the drivers and occupants of said vehicles. Make excuses for the kid all you like. Because he is a kid is no excuse. What he was doing had potentially lethal consequences.
Lets all laugh at the dumb kid and enjoy this as it should be enjoyed. A relatively cheap lesson he learned without the help of his obviously useless parents.
are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids.
If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe.
This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson.
ah, i see. so you're the result of bad parents compensating for their poor communication by beating you as a child, and since you lived in a perpetual state of fear of being beaten to the point where you never ever fucked with anyone ever, you think it's ok to take the preventative measure of just beating all of your children when you want to teach them a lesson, and you think that any parent who doesn't do that is some kind of poor parent. cool story bro
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
no its not because when you take into account hte location the speed limit couldn't have been higher than 30 MPH and if the driver were speeding that would probably get a mention
I find it difficult to believe he was going faster than 30 or so just because he was able to stop, get the crossbow, get it through the window, line up a shot, and still have a shot before the kid had bolted out of range or gotten to cover.
You know if he'd had to back up the kid would have had time to get clear.
Way to read the OP!
San Diego police say a boy throwing rocks at vehicles was struck in the abdomen by a crossbow bolt fired by a passenger in small sport utility vehicle.
i repeat myself: how can i child (op lacks information of age) really know if it was doing stupid or wrong. it may have an idea that something is wrong. but really, since the op lacks any information of age or weight of the rock, how can you justify being shot by a crossbow? to hit you have to be prepared, which is in my opinion much heavier act of crime.
On August 31 2011 12:07 Enervate wrote: How can you side with the crossbow guy? The kid could have been seriously hurt or killed. Wtf is wrong with you people?
I'm not saying it's not funny (because of how unexpected it is), but when people are seriously suggesting the kid deserved to get shot or when people applaud this guy, that's just really bad.
And throwing a rock, while the car is passing at 40+mph isn't just as dangerous? That could shatter a windshield and take a guys head right off... The little shit got lucky the crossbow didn't kill him.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg.
He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
Where exactly did i say i didn't think it was dangerous........
I was only pointing out your ridiculous assumptions on the speed of the car
I didn't assume anything. I was simply stating that the article did not specify anything more than it was a moving vehicle so it doesn't matter if he was going 20mph or 20000mph, throwing rocks at moving cars can potentially kill people.
You assumed that the speeds could have been as high as 60 mph.
You guys are bashing the shooter as if he had a gun. Clearly the crossbow was in professional care and thus the shot was not fatal. IMO this is just an adult teaching a kid a lesson. When I read this I choked on the water I was drinking, so funny.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
no its not because when you take into account hte location the speed limit couldn't have been higher than 30 MPH and if the driver were speeding that would probably get a mention
I find it difficult to believe he was going faster than 30 or so just because he was able to stop, get the crossbow, get it through the window, line up a shot, and still have a shot before the kid had bolted out of range or gotten to cover.
You know if he'd had to back up the kid would have had time to get clear.
San Diego police say a boy throwing rocks at vehicles was struck in the abdomen by a crossbow bolt fired by a passenger in small sport utility vehicle.
I assume the fact that the passenger did the shooting makes it much easier to hit a target with a crossbow while moving? Or makes grabbing the thing and aiming it easier? Or makes it possible to aim a crossbow backwards through a window with that sort of accuracy? The time involved doesn't rely on what seat the shooter was sitting in.
On August 31 2011 12:07 Enervate wrote: How can you side with the crossbow guy? The kid could have been seriously hurt or killed. Wtf is wrong with you people?
I'm not saying it's not funny (because of how unexpected it is), but when people are seriously suggesting the kid deserved to get shot or when people applaud this guy, that's just really bad.
And throwing a rock, while the car is passing at 40+mph isn't just as dangerous? That could shatter a windshield and take a guys head right off... The little shit got lucky the crossbow didn't kill him.
No one said it isn't dangerous.
Here's a thought experiment for you.
-You see a person speeding on the same road you are on, and he is driving erratically as well. -You stop at the same red light, and you are able to note the car's license plate as well as a description of the driver.
Now, do you:
A) Get out of your car with a gun, and shoot the driver of the speeding car?
or
B) Call the police and report the driver of the speeding car?
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg.
He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
Where exactly did i say i didn't think it was dangerous........
I was only pointing out your ridiculous assumptions on the speed of the car
I didn't assume anything. I was simply stating that the article did not specify anything more than it was a moving vehicle so it doesn't matter if he was going 20mph or 20000mph, throwing rocks at moving cars can potentially kill people.
You assumed that the speeds could have been as high as 60 mph.
Any of the passers by could have been going nearly any speed. What if a motorbike was passing? It could most certainly have been going 60mph so long as it was a properly paved road. Assuming that is it impossible to do these speeds through that street when you have no details of the street other than the speed limit was probably around 30mph is the silly assumption to make.
On August 31 2011 12:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [quote] are you an anarchocapitalist this is a serious qustion
Nope. Just believe that if you are foolish enough to analyse a random event and start making condemnations then you should start at the beginning. The kid obviously doesn't respect people or their property. Something my parents taught me.
So blame the parents. If the kid wasn't being a little prick I doubt anyone would be laughing at the fact he was shot. Had he been minding his own business and was shot in the manner he was most people would be very eager to form a lynch mob for the shooter. So the problem started with the kid and his lack of respect. Hence its funny he got hurt. Stop trying to be all upset over something that is hilarious karma as many people have pointed out.
you should look into it because what you're advocating is pretty much lawless vigilante justice
You are a mindless troll but I am bored so I will bite. If you had reading comprehension past a 2 year old level you might be able to see I am pointing out that his parenting led to his current hospitalisation and perhaps if people taught their children respect for other people and their property, crime would be non existent. Unfortunately there are many bad parents so I guess its ok for kids to act like a delinquent and then for you to get upset when they suffer for their delinquency.
Just remember next time you want to throw rocks... someone might have a crossbow or worse... a GUN. Tell your kids!!!
Why are you being condescending?
No amount of damage is the equivalent of hurting a child, despite the age. Believe it or not, kids know right from wrong, they just can't measure the severity. Throwing rocks at cars seems minor, it won't break the car and if the rocks were small, they wouldn't do any major damage.
Do you think a child, who can't drive nor know the costs of cars or the ideas of scratching or denting is aware that rocks at cars causes severe monetary damage?
Be realistic. A child's comprehension is not the equivalent of our's. The idea of "knowing right from wrong" is a broad generalization which you never refine on the finer points such as severity and depth of one's "wrongness".
It's not bad parenting, it's just a lack of grasping the situation.
You can't blame bad parenting all the time. Especially when the person overreacted. Just because the legitimate ways of reporting an incident or teaching a child what he is doing is wrong/discouraging isn't as strong or extensively treated to your standard doesn't mean going to the extreme is suddenly acceptable or the norm.
You can and should blame parents and children. Parents take on the responsibility of raising children when they make them. They should be responsible for their actions. Until the child is of legal age or emancipated the parents should be responsible for its actions. Simple really. Just means as a parent you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE A PARENT to your child.
Nice leap. Blaming the parents for the irrational thinking of the child is correct. Blaming the parents for his hospitalization is leaping.
Good try.
It's so easy to tell parents to parent properly without taking into account their situation or socioeconomic status.
I'm not sure about you but telling your kids not the throw rocks at cars followed by a backhand across the face is a pretty good method of teaching your kids.
If the parents aren't willing to use a little force, when force is going to be used it's going to be severe.
This man gets it. Betting the people shocked at the driver are also people who don't believe there is ever reason to smack a child. But I would rather get a smack from a parent teaching me a lesson than a crossbow bolt from a driver teaching me the same lesson.
On August 31 2011 12:53 deathserv wrote: I was amused by this as well, but as a law student, I also acknowledge that what occurred was potentially attempted murder depending on the sequence of events... I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised at the depths of stupidity in our country sometimes...
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg.
He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
Where exactly did i say i didn't think it was dangerous........
I was only pointing out your ridiculous assumptions on the speed of the car
I didn't assume anything. I was simply stating that the article did not specify anything more than it was a moving vehicle so it doesn't matter if he was going 20mph or 20000mph, throwing rocks at moving cars can potentially kill people.
You assumed that the speeds could have been as high as 60 mph.
Any of the passers by could have been going nearly any speed. What if a motorbike was passing? It could most certainly have been going 60mph so long as it was a properly paved road. Assuming that is it impossible to do these speeds through that street when you have no details of the street other than the speed limit was probably around 30mph is the silly assumption to make.
On August 31 2011 13:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: it's even more disturbing that people think it's funny tbh there is nothing funny about this
Never watched roadrunner and wile E coyote huh? You play with fire you are going to get burned. And its funny to a casual observer.
Get off your high horse. Learn to laugh. And enjoy life. And idiots being hurt doing idiotic things is one way to get a free laugh.
i don't think it's funny when people attempt to murder children i don't think i really need to get off my high horse
Who said anything about attempting to murder the child? He just fired a projectile back at the person throwing projectiles at him. Tit for tat. If he wanted to murder the kid I think he would have stopped and gone and finished the job seeing as the kid probably couldn't run fast with a bolt in him. He probably just wanted to scare him and probably didn't even mean to succeed in hitting him. You are making way to many assumptions about the shooters motivation and goals.
Two kids in my town ended up killing a passenger in a car by throwing rocks from an overpass. So, this is nothing to take lightly. Perhaps a non-lethal wound from a crossbow was a blessing for this kid.
On August 31 2011 12:07 Enervate wrote: How can you side with the crossbow guy? The kid could have been seriously hurt or killed. Wtf is wrong with you people?
I'm not saying it's not funny (because of how unexpected it is), but when people are seriously suggesting the kid deserved to get shot or when people applaud this guy, that's just really bad.
And throwing a rock, while the car is passing at 40+mph isn't just as dangerous? That could shatter a windshield and take a guys head right off... The little shit got lucky the crossbow didn't kill him.
No one said it isn't dangerous.
Here's a thought experiment for you.
-You see a person speeding on the same road you are on, and he is driving erratically as well. -You stop at the same red light, and you are able to note the car's license plate as well as a description of the driver.
Now, do you:
A) Get out of your car with a gun, and shoot the driver of the speeding car?
or
B) Call the police and report the driver of the speeding car?
A) its not a gun. B) I'd shoot out his engine block, because engine > his shitty pathetic life.
On August 31 2011 13:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: it's even more disturbing that people think it's funny tbh there is nothing funny about this
Never watched roadrunner and wile E coyote huh? You play with fire you are going to get burned. And its funny to a casual observer.
Get off your high horse. Learn to laugh. And enjoy life. And idiots being hurt doing idiotic things is one way to get a free laugh.
i don't think it's funny when people attempt to murder children i don't think i really need to get off my high horse
Who said anything about attempting to murder the child? He just fired a projectile back at the person throwing projectiles at him. Tit for tat. If he wanted to murder the kid I think he would have stopped and gone and finished the job seeing as the kid probably couldn't run fast with a bolt in him. He probably just wanted to scare him and probably didn't even mean to succeed in hitting him. You are making way to many assumptions about the shooters motivation and goals.
How can you not attempt murder by shooting someone with a deadly weapon?
By aiming for a foot or knee. Simple really.
You can still kill someone with either of those shots. You have to be a complete idiot to not have the thought of committing murder while firing any weapon.
If the thought of murder crossed your mind and you still pull the trigger, it is attempted murder.
I agree, throwing rocks at moving cars is potentially attempted murder.
it was in a neighborhood usually on residential streets the speed limit is around 25 MPH the size of the rock or the speed of the car was never mentioned you're grasping at straws trying to compare it to a crossbow shot
I did say potentially.
And to go with your point, the rock size and speed were never mentioned so it is just as justifiable to assume he was going 60 mph and the rock weighed 2 kg as it is to assume the car was going 5 mph and the rock weighed 10 grams.
it is not justifiable to assume he was going anywhere near 60mpg.
He was probably going at a speed between 15-35. In California, residential area speeds are 25 and it is almost impossible to drive at a speed faster than 40 in these areas.
You don't think a rock can be dangerous when thrown at a car doing 25 mph? .....
Where exactly did i say i didn't think it was dangerous........
I was only pointing out your ridiculous assumptions on the speed of the car
I didn't assume anything. I was simply stating that the article did not specify anything more than it was a moving vehicle so it doesn't matter if he was going 20mph or 20000mph, throwing rocks at moving cars can potentially kill people.
You assumed that the speeds could have been as high as 60 mph.
Any of the passers by could have been going nearly any speed. What if a motorbike was passing? It could most certainly have been going 60mph so long as it was a properly paved road. Assuming that is it impossible to do these speeds through that street when you have no details of the street other than the speed limit was probably around 30mph is the silly assumption to make.
As i have said..
I live in the area. So, yes i do have details.
What street did it happen on, and please tell me for what reasons make it impossible for a vehicle to be doing 60mph on that street exactly where those kids were throwing rocks.
And yes, vehicle does not just mean a car. Include motorbikes too.
On August 31 2011 13:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: it's even more disturbing that people think it's funny tbh there is nothing funny about this
Never watched roadrunner and wile E coyote huh? You play with fire you are going to get burned. And its funny to a casual observer.
Get off your high horse. Learn to laugh. And enjoy life. And idiots being hurt doing idiotic things is one way to get a free laugh.
i don't think it's funny when people attempt to murder children i don't think i really need to get off my high horse
Who said anything about attempting to murder the child? He just fired a projectile back at the person throwing projectiles at him. Tit for tat. If he wanted to murder the kid I think he would have stopped and gone and finished the job seeing as the kid probably couldn't run fast with a bolt in him. He probably just wanted to scare him and probably didn't even mean to succeed in hitting him. You are making way to many assumptions about the shooters motivation and goals.
You shouldn't even pull a potentially deadly weapon without the intent to use it, and thus potentially kill. That's exactly what the situation says. Deadly weapon = potential for deadly force = potential for death. That said, I think under the circumstances the charges would technically be manslaughter if he died, rather than murder. Much easier charge to stick.
On August 31 2011 12:07 Enervate wrote: How can you side with the crossbow guy? The kid could have been seriously hurt or killed. Wtf is wrong with you people?
I'm not saying it's not funny (because of how unexpected it is), but when people are seriously suggesting the kid deserved to get shot or when people applaud this guy, that's just really bad.
And throwing a rock, while the car is passing at 40+mph isn't just as dangerous? That could shatter a windshield and take a guys head right off... The little shit got lucky the crossbow didn't kill him.
I dont know how many people have already said that there is no way the car was going over 30. But also, it doesn't matter too much how fast the car was going.
Anyways, what would you think if instead of the kid getting shot with a crossbow he was shot with a gun? Because it's basically the same thing.
These news threads really show the worst in people lol
On August 31 2011 13:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: it's even more disturbing that people think it's funny tbh there is nothing funny about this
Never watched roadrunner and wile E coyote huh? You play with fire you are going to get burned. And its funny to a casual observer.
Get off your high horse. Learn to laugh. And enjoy life. And idiots being hurt doing idiotic things is one way to get a free laugh.
i don't think it's funny when people attempt to murder children i don't think i really need to get off my high horse
Who said anything about attempting to murder the child? He just fired a projectile back at the person throwing projectiles at him. Tit for tat. If he wanted to murder the kid I think he would have stopped and gone and finished the job seeing as the kid probably couldn't run fast with a bolt in him. He probably just wanted to scare him and probably didn't even mean to succeed in hitting him. You are making way to many assumptions about the shooters motivation and goals.
do you know what a crossbow is
Do you know what an assumption is? Also you mentioned chest... it was in the abdomen according to the article. Try READING. That's the stomach region just in case you didn't know.
since a crossbow and a rock are apparently pretty equivalent would anyone here willingly sign up to a fight in which you are armed with a sack of rocks and i have a crossbow
On August 31 2011 13:00 sevencck wrote: Hi everyone,
I have been reading over these forums now for some time, though I never bothered to sign up to post anything here. As a website for Starcraft enthusiasts it absolutely gets top marks, but I could never get past the reputation these forums have.
This will be my first post, and it wouldn't terribly surprise me if I discover that it's my last. I thought these forums were populated by intelligent people because of the nature of the often thought provoking content in the news that is posted and discussed here on a daily basis. I have to wonder though; I am utterly baffled at the overwhelming response either validating this reprehensible act, applauding the marksmanship, or making light of the situation. Firing a crossbow at a child from a car (moving or otherwise) for any reason is the height of callous negligent irresponsibility. What do you really know about the child? What if the child bled to death? What if the bolt missed and killed someone enjoying a morning stroll? Is this really the way we have been bred to respond to this type of behavior? Is it normal to suggest this is karma? What does it say about us when we look upon this as justice served or find it funny in any way?
DoctorHelvetica and Chargelot, I am thankful for people like you.
I am vicariously ashamed. This forum isn't what it was.
On August 31 2011 13:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: since a crossbow and a rock are apparently pretty equivalent would anyone here willingly sign up to a fight in which you are armed with a sack of rocks and i have a crossbow
Of course, the unintended side effect of making this thread sane is that he probably also nuked most of the discussion, since I think everyone who didn't get banned is pretty much agreed on the fact that the shooter is scum.
Small price to pay for making the thread human though.
Whilst I don't necessarily agree with shooting the kid, sometimes I gotta wonder if the law was more harsh on these idiots maybe they would think twice before throwing rocks at cars, Both were committing crimes, obviously neither are in the right.I know someone that has recently gotten out of a decent stint of jail and did not mind it in there.
You could argue that the kid was endangering other peoples lives and he acted in self defense, over kill but I bet that kid won't be throwing rocks again. I doubt the laws wrist slap would change his behavior.
Luckily for the kid it didn't mortally wound him. Sad story, but people tend to overreact a lot, like that recent family murder topic. Hopefully the kid learned his lesson and the shooter is apprehended.
Hmm. I'll probably get banned just for saying I found the title humorous, just because of the sheer comedic value of a medieval weapon used in that situation. It's just the way the title was worded so bluntly. I'm not glad the kid was hurt, I'm sad it happened overall, but despite my morals I couldn't help smiling a little after reading the title. Apparently I'm an awful person? I was relieved to know no one was seriously injured and shocked by some peoples' responses here. I can't change or help the fact that I find a small part of this situation funny though.
On August 31 2011 13:00 sevencck wrote: Hi everyone,
I have been reading over these forums now for some time, though I never bothered to sign up to post anything here. As a website for Starcraft enthusiasts it absolutely gets top marks, but I could never get past the reputation these forums have.
This will be my first post, and it wouldn't terribly surprise me if I discover that it's my last. I thought these forums were populated by intelligent people because of the nature of the often thought provoking content in the news that is posted and discussed here on a daily basis. I have to wonder though; I am utterly baffled at the overwhelming response either validating this reprehensible act, applauding the marksmanship, or making light of the situation. Firing a crossbow at a child from a car (moving or otherwise) for any reason is the height of callous negligent irresponsibility. What do you really know about the child? What if the child bled to death? What if the bolt missed and killed someone enjoying a morning stroll? Is this really the way we have been bred to respond to this type of behavior? Is it normal to suggest this is karma? What does it say about us when we look upon this as justice served or find it funny in any way?
DoctorHelvetica and Chargelot, I am thankful for people like you.
I am vicariously ashamed. This forum isn't what it was.
People who figured out how to register here and make a few posts about their idiotic, immortal opinions don't represent this forum or, more importantly, the community in general. That said, I think some of the bans in this thread were deserved and some weren't at all. + Show Spoiler +
inb4 irony
Edit: In case it wasn't clear, of course I don't agree with the shooter. It was immoral and wrong, though neither is throwing rocks at cars obviously.
On August 31 2011 14:23 Maynarde wrote: How can you lol at this >_<
Through a keyboard, monitor and a heavy amount of dissociation with reality Poor kid. I used to be a miscreant little bastard as a kid and it's almost scary to think back at all the random people I messed with and what they could have done.
There's absolutely no excuse for firing a lethal weapon at a child that threw a rock at a car. It is beyond reprehensible and I can't imagine an excuse (Which is really saying something) that could mitigate the violence.
Screw that guy and I hope he goes to federal prison.
On August 31 2011 14:19 taLbuk wrote: Poor kid, while throwing rocks is extremely dangerous, its pitiful to take out an act of violence like that on a child or otherwise.
Off Topic: If only Live Report threads got this kind of purge-treatment. <3 Mods.
At what point is a child NOT absolved of blame for his actions? When he murders someone? When he sets a building on fire on purpose?
I'm not saying shooting a child with a crossbow is justified, and I imagine the shooter probably doesn't feel great about himself (50/50 that he's either insane or he went in a fit of rage at the incident and did something out of character), but a very harsh punishment is in order.
What can someone who just got rocks thrown on his car by an unknown child really do for justice? If he takes him to try to find his parents and making him take responsibility, it's kidnapping (because odds are the child is relatively far from home so no point in waiting with him there until they come for him...). If he threatens him out of anger, he's a dangerous psychopath. If he takes any physical action, it's assault or attempted murder.
The child gets a slap on the wrist.
I think it's fair that I get to point out my hatred for such a situation. The person who gets rocks thrown at his car, causing a lot of potential damage and being potentially very dangerous can either be cast as a terrible person by pretty much anything he does or simply do nothing. I mean, he could give him a stern talking to I guess but that accomplishes nothing. Odds are the child will not stop just because someone gets a bit mad at him.
Again, not saying it's OK to shoot him with a freaking crossbow. But what the hell can someone do? And yeah, I can understand someone snapping when a possibly very expensive car gets dented and scratched.
On August 31 2011 12:07 Enervate wrote: How can you side with the crossbow guy? The kid could have been seriously hurt or killed. Wtf is wrong with you people?
I'm not saying it's not funny (because of how unexpected it is), but when people are seriously suggesting the kid deserved to get shot or when people applaud this guy, that's just really bad.
And throwing a rock, while the car is passing at 40+mph isn't just as dangerous? That could shatter a windshield and take a guys head right off... The little shit got lucky the crossbow didn't kill him.
I dont know how many people have already said that there is no way the car was going over 30. But also, it doesn't matter too much how fast the car was going.
Anyways, what would you think if instead of the kid getting shot with a crossbow he was shot with a gun? Because it's basically the same thing.
These news threads really show the worst in people lol
I would think the same as I do now. There is always a bigger dick. Sure it wouldn't be so funny if the kid dies but anyone who has had rocks thrown at there car before is going to chuckle, it damages your car and there is very little you can do about it, now some one has done something about it. I am not saying its right, but it is funny.
Well I doubt that the shooter intended to hit the abdomen. I think he wanted to kill that kid and that he is lucky to be alive. He shoot a deadly weapon at a moving target so at least he accepted the possibility of a deadly shot.
He should have called the cops.
Whilst I don't necessarily agree with shooting the kid, sometimes I gotta wonder if the law was more harsh on these idiots maybe they would think twice before throwing rocks at cars,
I very much doubt that it will help and most of them get away anyway.
Is there information on the rocks the kid was throwing? Like, was he throwing pebbles, regular rocks, or hurling boulders? Certainly that might have merited the excessive action taken by the shooter. Probably also depended on the person's mood and car
On August 31 2011 14:19 taLbuk wrote: Poor kid, while throwing rocks is extremely dangerous, its pitiful to take out an act of violence like that on a child or otherwise.
Off Topic: If only Live Report threads got this kind of purge-treatment. <3 Mods.
At what point is a child NOT absolved of blame for his actions? When he murders someone? When he sets a building on fire on purpose?
I'm not saying shooting a child with a crossbow is justified, and I imagine the shooter probably doesn't feel great about himself (50/50 that he's either insane or he went in a fit of rage at the incident and did something out of character), but a very harsh punishment is in order.
What can someone who just got rocks thrown on his car by an unknown child really do for justice? If he takes him to try to find his parents and making him take responsibility, it's kidnapping (because odds are the child is relatively far from home so no point in waiting with him there until they come for him...). If he threatens him out of anger, he's a dangerous psychopath. If he takes any physical action, it's assault or attempted murder.
The child gets a slap on the wrist.
I think it's fair that I get to point out my hatred for such a situation. The person who gets rocks thrown at his car, causing a lot of potential damage and being potentially very dangerous can either be cast as a terrible person by pretty much anything he does or simply do nothing. I mean, he could give him a stern talking to I guess but that accomplishes nothing. Odds are the child will not stop just because someone gets a bit mad at him.
Again, not saying it's OK to shoot him with a freaking crossbow. But what the hell can someone do? And yeah, I can understand someone snapping when a possibly very expensive car gets dented and scratched.
What about calling the police, since he's doing something illegal? Why do you have to take matters into your own hands?
On August 31 2011 14:19 taLbuk wrote: Poor kid, while throwing rocks is extremely dangerous, its pitiful to take out an act of violence like that on a child or otherwise.
Off Topic: If only Live Report threads got this kind of purge-treatment. <3 Mods.
At what point is a child NOT absolved of blame for his actions? When he murders someone? When he sets a building on fire on purpose?
I'm not saying shooting a child with a crossbow is justified, and I imagine the shooter probably doesn't feel great about himself (50/50 that he's either insane or he went in a fit of rage at the incident and did something out of character), but a very harsh punishment is in order.
What can someone who just got rocks thrown on his car by an unknown child really do for justice? If he takes him to try to find his parents and making him take responsibility, it's kidnapping (because odds are the child is relatively far from home so no point in waiting with him there until they come for him...). If he threatens him out of anger, he's a dangerous psychopath. If he takes any physical action, it's assault or attempted murder.
The child gets a slap on the wrist.
I think it's fair that I get to point out my hatred for such a situation. The person who gets rocks thrown at his car, causing a lot of potential damage and being potentially very dangerous can either be cast as a terrible person by pretty much anything he does or simply do nothing. I mean, he could give him a stern talking to I guess but that accomplishes nothing. Odds are the child will not stop just because someone gets a bit mad at him.
Again, not saying it's OK to shoot him with a freaking crossbow. But what the hell can someone do? And yeah, I can understand someone snapping when a possibly very expensive car gets dented and scratched.
What about calling the police, since he's doing something illegal? Why do you have to take matters into your own hands?
Well, odds are the kid won't wait there for 30 minutes for police to come by and give him a stern talking to and maybe contact his parents. If the child if 13 or under, odds are there are 0 consequences for him as well.
*Edit : Plus I don't have a cellphone so I'd need to find a phone too first.
it's pretty sad that someone would shoot a crossbow at a kid. this is the real life equivalent of mr. wilson going medieval on dennis the menace, only not very comical and a lot more disturbing.
@everyone saying karma is a bitch, get real. most of us did stupid things as kids, whether we knew better or not. however, none of us deserved what this kid got.
Made me giggle as it's such a surreal response to the act. Saying that, if it were a gun it would be a completely different story - don't understand how there were no arrests though.
On August 31 2011 14:39 Caloooomi wrote: Made me giggle as it's such a surreal response to the act. Saying that, if it were a gun it would be a completely different story - don't understand how there were no arrests though.
Well, that's the point, isn't it? Nobody's laughing at the act of violence, they're laughing at the absurdity of it being a crossbow.
On August 31 2011 14:19 taLbuk wrote: Poor kid, while throwing rocks is extremely dangerous, its pitiful to take out an act of violence like that on a child or otherwise.
Off Topic: If only Live Report threads got this kind of purge-treatment. <3 Mods.
At what point is a child NOT absolved of blame for his actions? When he murders someone? When he sets a building on fire on purpose?
I'm not saying shooting a child with a crossbow is justified, and I imagine the shooter probably doesn't feel great about himself (50/50 that he's either insane or he went in a fit of rage at the incident and did something out of character), but a very harsh punishment is in order.
What can someone who just got rocks thrown on his car by an unknown child really do for justice? If he takes him to try to find his parents and making him take responsibility, it's kidnapping (because odds are the child is relatively far from home so no point in waiting with him there until they come for him...). If he threatens him out of anger, he's a dangerous psychopath. If he takes any physical action, it's assault or attempted murder.
The child gets a slap on the wrist.
I think it's fair that I get to point out my hatred for such a situation. The person who gets rocks thrown at his car, causing a lot of potential damage and being potentially very dangerous can either be cast as a terrible person by pretty much anything he does or simply do nothing. I mean, he could give him a stern talking to I guess but that accomplishes nothing. Odds are the child will not stop just because someone gets a bit mad at him.
Again, not saying it's OK to shoot him with a freaking crossbow. But what the hell can someone do? And yeah, I can understand someone snapping when a possibly very expensive car gets dented and scratched.
What about calling the police, since he's doing something illegal? Why do you have to take matters into your own hands?
Well, odds are the kid won't wait there for 30 minutes for police to come by and give him a stern talking to and maybe contact his parents. If the child if 13 or under, odds are there are 0 consequences for him as well.
*Edit : Plus I don't have a cellphone so I'd need to find a phone too first.
Probably not, but still, a stern talking to is about all you could give the child, without committing an illegal act yourself. You could also tell him you're phoning the cops on him, or at least threaten it, that might scare him. The alternative is basically kidnapping the kid, or assaulting him, which is pretty reprehensible.
Honestly, I'm not sure what the best thing to do in that situation would be, but it's obviously not committing assault with a deadly weapon. =/ (Not saying you think that, I just mean in general)
On August 31 2011 14:19 taLbuk wrote: Poor kid, while throwing rocks is extremely dangerous, its pitiful to take out an act of violence like that on a child or otherwise.
Off Topic: If only Live Report threads got this kind of purge-treatment. <3 Mods.
At what point is a child NOT absolved of blame for his actions? When he murders someone? When he sets a building on fire on purpose?
I'm not saying shooting a child with a crossbow is justified, and I imagine the shooter probably doesn't feel great about himself (50/50 that he's either insane or he went in a fit of rage at the incident and did something out of character), but a very harsh punishment is in order.
What can someone who just got rocks thrown on his car by an unknown child really do for justice? If he takes him to try to find his parents and making him take responsibility, it's kidnapping (because odds are the child is relatively far from home so no point in waiting with him there until they come for him...). If he threatens him out of anger, he's a dangerous psychopath. If he takes any physical action, it's assault or attempted murder.
The child gets a slap on the wrist.
I think it's fair that I get to point out my hatred for such a situation. The person who gets rocks thrown at his car, causing a lot of potential damage and being potentially very dangerous can either be cast as a terrible person by pretty much anything he does or simply do nothing. I mean, he could give him a stern talking to I guess but that accomplishes nothing. Odds are the child will not stop just because someone gets a bit mad at him.
Again, not saying it's OK to shoot him with a freaking crossbow. But what the hell can someone do? And yeah, I can understand someone snapping when a possibly very expensive car gets dented and scratched.
What about calling the police, since he's doing something illegal? Why do you have to take matters into your own hands?
Well, odds are the kid won't wait there for 30 minutes for police to come by and give him a stern talking to and maybe contact his parents. If the child if 13 or under, odds are there are 0 consequences for him as well.
*Edit : Plus I don't have a cellphone so I'd need to find a phone too first.
Probably not, but still, a stern talking to is about all you could give the child, without committing an illegal act yourself. You could also tell him you're phoning the cops on him, or at least threaten it, that might scare him. The alternative is basically kidnapping the kid, or assaulting him, which is pretty reprehensible.
Honestly, I'm not sure what the best thing to do in that situation would be, but it's obviously not committing assault with a deadly weapon. =/ (Not saying you think that, I just mean in general)
That was actually the point of my post. Do nothing or be the bad guy.
It's easy to see why someone would snap from being put in this situation.
Throwing rocks at cars has just as good a chance of killing someone by causing an accident as shooting at them with a crossbow has of killing someone. Both parties are in the wrong but the crossbow shooter has poetic justice on his side.
But after thinking about it, I guess both sides were at fault, kid shouldn't be throwing rocks, and dude shouldn't be shooting crossbows. I'm glad the injury wasn't life threatening. The kid in turn probably isn't going to throw rocks at cars anymore. Everyone's happy.
In a video my driver's ed class watched, they were talking about why not to make rude gestures at people. Someone flashes his brights at someone and gets attacked by a crossbow. "You never know what they'll have a crossbow" was the lesson i took away.
You guys realize it IS possible to kill someone with a rock, right? How is that harmless kid stuff? It's summer, and lots of car windows are going to be wide open. At the very least, you WILL cause injury if you throw a rock at someone.
The crossbow bit is sick, but to absolve the kid of all responsibility is ridiculous. I doubt they will try very hard to find the guy who did this, because they know if they charge that guy, they'll probably have to charge the kid as well.
How would you react if someone threw a rock at you? Not shot the kid, but it's pretty damn scary, is it not?
Who the hell rides to work with a crossbow in their car... I would be curious to know, was the crossbow loaded and ready to use, or did he take the time to stop, load then fire. If it's the second one, he should go to jail for a long time because he can't say that he did it in a fit of rage.
On August 31 2011 14:48 Newbistic wrote: My first response was LOL, not gonna lie.
But after thinking about it, I guess both sides were at fault, kid shouldn't be throwing rocks, and dude shouldn't be shooting crossbows. I'm glad the injury wasn't life threatening. The kid in turn probably isn't going to throw rocks at cars anymore. Everyone's happy.
I'd say both sides are probably unhappy, seeing as the kid got shot with a crossbow and the guy (presumably) had some damage to his car and also now has to worry about the fact that he shot a kid with a crossbow.
Why was the kid throwing rocks at the car in the first place? If someone throws a rock at my car for no reason, I'd probably do something about it. There's no way I'd let em get away freely.
On August 31 2011 14:38 Terranist wrote: it's pretty sad that someone would shoot a crossbow at a kid. this is the real life equivalent of mr. wilson going medieval on dennis the menace, only not very comical and a lot more disturbing.
@everyone saying karma is a bitch, get real. most of us did stupid things as kids, whether we knew better or not. however, none of us deserved what this kid got.
I dont say karma is a bitch or shooting a kid is ok but the kid did nothing "stupid" - it made something extremely dangerous for the drivers and the ppl around plus it aint nice to "destroy" someone else's belongings. i wont say he deserved to get shot but he did deserve a very rough and threatening punishment. throwing stones at cars is nothing you can forgve easily and should get punished. and i case of him being a kid he wouldnt have get any punishment at all. i think he will learn from his failure and step up and thats what it was good for - still its ok to shoot at a kid!
i once got thrown stones on my car but it was in my village and i was at like 30 kmh - but still: you dont know what happened in this moment and make stupid stuff. and even when i got that kid which did it there was no way to punish it since it wasnt at his house. the kid never learned its lesson and i really dont like those kids being able to do whatever they want without getting punished at all.
On August 31 2011 14:48 Subversion wrote: Hard to have any sympathy for a little shit throwing rocks at people's cars.
Say what you will, but that can actually cause fatal accidents.
In Australia they take it very seriously, because it can and has caused fatal accidents. Its quite a regular occurrence in the news to hear of major accidents/people dying because somebody is throwing rocks.
I read the OP and the first page of comment and its sad to me that people are giving the bowman credit. He clearly over reacted and should be in jail. The bowman is not safe for society, because what if the next time he fire a bow at someone and it kills them? And someone throwing rocks at car hardly warrant a bow fired at them... Tell the other person to stop throwing rocks? scream at them? scare them? Someone acting out in a violent manner should not be praised.
On August 31 2011 14:49 applejuice wrote: You guys realize it IS possible to kill someone with a rock, right? How is that harmless kid stuff? It's summer, and lots of car windows are going to be wide open. At the very least, you WILL cause injury if you throw a rock at someone.
The crossbow bit is sick, but to absolve the kid of all responsibility is ridiculous. I doubt they will try very hard to find the guy who did this, because they know if they charge that guy, they'll probably have to charge the kid as well.
How would you react if someone threw a rock at you? Not shot the kid, but it's pretty damn scary, is it not?
In general, people aren't trying to absolve the child from any sort of guilt. He is an idiot for throwing rocks at a car, and would hopefully get charged for doing something illegal. Stating that the guy who shot the child with a crossbow is despicable and grossly over-reacted is not the same as saying that the child shouldn't have gotten in trouble for throwing rocks.
On August 31 2011 11:28 Zergneedsfood wrote: On one hand, I was kind of amused
Pretty much sums it up for me lol.
User was temp banned for this post.
I don't understand why this was bannable o_O
When a mod sees a thread like this, there is bound to be collateral banage.
It's understandable when you consider that so many people were inconsiderate about a boy being shot with a deadly weapon. I'm sure that if a gun was used in this situation, there would not be people saying it was funny. It seems like people are disregarding the fact that crossbows were used as weapons of warfare for hundreds of years. I don't think very many people would be laughing if the guy ran out of the car and disemboweled the kid with a sword.
On August 31 2011 13:00 sevencck wrote: Hi everyone,
I have been reading over these forums now for some time, though I never bothered to sign up to post anything here. As a website for Starcraft enthusiasts it absolutely gets top marks, but I could never get past the reputation these forums have.
This will be my first post, and it wouldn't terribly surprise me if I discover that it's my last. I thought these forums were populated by intelligent people because of the nature of the often thought provoking content in the news that is posted and discussed here on a daily basis. I have to wonder though; I am utterly baffled at the overwhelming response either validating this reprehensible act, applauding the marksmanship, or making light of the situation. Firing a crossbow at a child from a car (moving or otherwise) for any reason is the height of callous negligent irresponsibility. What do you really know about the child? What if the child bled to death? What if the bolt missed and killed someone enjoying a morning stroll? Is this really the way we have been bred to respond to this type of behavior? Is it normal to suggest this is karma? What does it say about us when we look upon this as justice served or find it funny in any way?
DoctorHelvetica and Chargelot, I am thankful for people like you.
I am vicariously ashamed. This forum isn't what it was.
On August 31 2011 14:39 Caloooomi wrote: Made me giggle as it's such a surreal response to the act. Saying that, if it were a gun it would be a completely different story - don't understand how there were no arrests though.
Well, that's the point, isn't it? Nobody's laughing at the act of violence, they're laughing at the absurdity of it being a crossbow.
This pretty sums up my opinion of the general theme of peoples' reactions in this thread. Believe it or not, this forum isn't populated by a bunch of immoral assholes who take pleasure in other peoples' suffering. The funny part is, as quoted, the absurdity of it being a crossbow of all things, and the concept of someone carrying a crossbow around for self defense as apposed to something more conventional. No one laughed at the fact that a kid was injured, and little to no one would've sided with the shooter had it not been for the fact that he was using a crossbow.
And honestly if I had to choose between the two wrongs, I would rather be neighbors to a kid who throws rocks at cars then be a neighbor to an adult who shoots kids with a crossbow.
It's not like most of the people posting in this thread are laughing that a guy tried to murder a child. It's one of those things where you just hear something so absurd and ridiculous you laugh. The title is "Boy throws rocks at car and gets shot by crossbow" for goodness sake. It's hard for people in our age to think of a crossbow as a lethal weapon at first glance. It's more something that we've read about in history books.
As to my reaction to the article: Both parties are in the wrong, the child endangered peoples lives by throwing rocks. The real catch is that the crossbowman (see it's ridiculous just to have to say that) shot his crossbow with the intent to harm the child. That is not okay. That is not "justice". The kid obviously needed to be taught a lesson by his parents/police, but not like that. A crossbow can be a lethal weapon, just as much as any gun can. You don't "teach a kid a lesson" by shooting him with a crossbow, plain and simple.
On August 31 2011 11:28 Zergneedsfood wrote: On one hand, I was kind of amused
Pretty much sums it up for me lol.
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I don't understand why this was bannable o_O
When a mod sees a thread like this, there is bound to be collateral banage.
It's understandable when you consider that so many people were inconsiderate about a boy being shot with a deadly weapon. I'm sure that if a gun was used in this situation, there would not be people saying it was funny. It seems like people are disregarding the fact that crossbows were used as weapons of warfare for hundreds of years. I don't think very many people would be laughing if the guy ran out of the car and disemboweled the kid with a sword.
Rocks have probably been used as weapons for hundreds of thousands of years.
And the reason people laugh at something like this is NOT because they think the harming children is funny. The reason it is funny is because it is, in fact, NOT funny and the thought of somebody finding it hilarious/rational is so absurd and inappropriate that it actually invokes laughter. The real inconsiderate people are the ones who don't understand this.
On August 31 2011 15:06 TwoToneTerran wrote: Hey, that kid's doing something stupid and dangerous.
Guess I ought to murder him.
What a disgusting, depraved human being.
That's typical road rage. You don't think of killing the person, you just think "what a fucking idiot, what's the nearest thing I can use against him?" It's like how some guy followed a family home, only to spray some kid with pepper spray. There's not much thought involved in what they do, it's more just spur of the moment
On August 31 2011 15:06 TwoToneTerran wrote: Hey, that kid's doing something stupid and dangerous.
Guess I ought to murder him.
What a disgusting, depraved human being.
That's typical road rage. You don't think of killing the person, you just think "what a fucking idiot, what's the nearest thing I can use against him?" It's like how some guy followed a family home, only to spray some kid with pepper spray. There's not much thought involved in what they do, it's more just spur of the moment
Any and all thought processes that lead to attempting to murder the child in this situation are disgusting.
Kid deserved what he got, although it's funny how much more leeway a crossbowman is given compared to if a gunman had inflicted a similar wound.
I don't know if he deserved a crossbow bolt to the chest, especially because even the best marksmen can miss their target once in a while. That kid deserved to get the shit kicked out of him and his parents should be liable for any damages he caused though.
It doesn't matter if the particular situation he was throwing rocks in was life threatening, if he learned that it's ok to do there or doesn't have harsh enough repercussions then next thing you know he's dropping rocks on cars from an overpass and a few people wind up dead. Then everyone rushes to the kids defense and goes, "Rehabilitation is the only way! You must make sure that he gets a T.V. and personal fridge in his cell too!"
On August 31 2011 11:28 Zergneedsfood wrote: On one hand, I was kind of amused
Pretty much sums it up for me lol.
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I don't understand why this was bannable o_O
When a mod sees a thread like this, there is bound to be collateral banage.
It's understandable when you consider that so many people were inconsiderate about a boy being shot with a deadly weapon. I'm sure that if a gun was used in this situation, there would not be people saying it was funny. It seems like people are disregarding the fact that crossbows were used as weapons of warfare for hundreds of years. I don't think very many people would be laughing if the guy ran out of the car and disemboweled the kid with a sword.
Rocks have probably been used as weapons for hundreds of thousands of years.
And the reason people laugh at something like this is NOT because they think the harming children is funny. The reason it is funny is because it is, in fact, NOT funny and the thought of somebody finding it hilarious/rational is so absurd and inappropriate that it actually invokes laughter. The real inconsiderate people are the ones who don't understand this.
On August 31 2011 12:42 itachisan wrote: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLL that's right, im sorry but that kid got what he deserved, that'll teach him to manner up and not be a little faggot.
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I disagree. There was some real trash in this topic.
So many clueless, self-righteously moral whiteknights in this thread. If you can't understand that the reason this is amusing is because of the absurdity of it being a crossbow, fired from a moving car, and not the fact that some kid who was trying to hurt innocent people on a highway by throwing rocks at their moving vehicles was hurt, then you are retarded. And by the way, if you're traveling at highway speed, and a large rock hits your windshield, it's extremely dangerous. The violence isn't funny, it being a crossbow is. If it was a bow and arrow, it would be even funnier.
On August 31 2011 15:14 Fission wrote: So many clueless, self-righteously moral whiteknights in this thread. If you can't understand that the reason this is amusing is because of the absurdity of it being a crossbow, fired from a moving car, and not the fact that some kid who was trying to kill innocent people on a highway by throwing rocks at their moving vehicles was hurt, then you are retarded. And by the way, if you're traveling at highway speed, and a large rock hits your windshield, it's extremely dangerous. The violence isn't funny, it being a crossbow is. If it was a bow and arrow, it would be even funnier.
The problem is the people in this thread -- and there are plenty -- going "The kid deserved what he got!" and applauding the man's decision to attempt to murder a child. Stop trying to rationalize it. Laughing at a guy using a crossbow for anything because you're disconnected from the situation is okay. Rooting for this kind of thing to happen is not.
PS: he wasn't travelling at highway speed, read the article.
On August 31 2011 14:39 Caloooomi wrote: Made me giggle as it's such a surreal response to the act. Saying that, if it were a gun it would be a completely different story - don't understand how there were no arrests though.
Well, that's the point, isn't it? Nobody's laughing at the act of violence, they're laughing at the absurdity of it being a crossbow.
This pretty sums up my opinion of the general theme of peoples' reactions in this thread. Believe it or not, this forum isn't populated by a bunch of immoral assholes who take pleasure in other peoples' suffering. The funny part is, as quoted, the absurdity of it being a crossbow of all things, and the concept of someone carrying a crossbow around for self defense as apposed to something more conventional. No one laughed at the fact that a kid was injured, and little to no one would've sided with the shooter had it not been for the fact that he was using a crossbow.
How does a crossbow change the morality of siding with the shooter? What if he had a sword? A machete? A switchblade? A pistol? What if he had gotten out of his car and strangled the child with a rubber chicken?
There were plenty of people in this thread saying things like "The kid got what was coming to him", or that he "deserved" it. The absurdity of the weapon, or humour that you find therein, doesn't change the fact that the shooter assaulted a minor with a deadly weapon. Siding with the shooter has nothing to do with what weapon he used, as he still meant to cause grievous harm and possibly death to the child.
There were plenty of people laughing that the kid was injured, and arguing that it was right and commendable that he was injured, and that the shooter should be lauded for his efforts. His choice of weapon doesn't change his actions, and doesn't change what people represent when they side with the shooter and commend him.
(I'm also not commenting on the people who find the situation absurd, or funny. I don't really care about them. I'm talking about the people I was arguing with, who in fact did applaud the efforts of the shooter, whose actions remain the same, regardless of weapon)
On August 31 2011 15:14 Fission wrote: So many clueless, self-righteously moral whiteknights in this thread. If you can't understand that the reason this is amusing is because of the absurdity of it being a crossbow, fired from a moving car, and not the fact that some kid who was trying to kill innocent people on a highway by throwing rocks at their moving vehicles was hurt, then you are retarded. And by the way, if you're traveling at highway speed, and a large rock hits your windshield, it's extremely dangerous. The violence isn't funny, it being a crossbow is. If it was a bow and arrow, it would be even funnier.
The problem is the people in this thread -- and there are plenty -- going "The kid deserved what he got!" and applauding the man's decision to attempt to murder a child. Stop trying to rationalize it.
PS: he wasn't travelling at highway speed, read the article.
Rationalize what? The fact that I find it funny? I don't need to rationalize that - I simply find it so.
Kid deserved what he got, although it's funny how much more leeway a crossbowman is given compared to if a gunman had inflicted a similar wound.
Wait, how does this kid deserve having a crazy person try to kill them?
Defending yourself or your property isn't crazy, he may have gone overboard but I wouldn't call the guy crazy.
Ah yes, I need to defend myself from this small child. Let me use this here weapon that was designed to kill people wearing armor to "defend," myself.
The response from "people like you" would be exactly the same if he went and beat the shit out of the kid. You're wrong and yes, if there was a kid who was constantly throwing rocks at my car and the parents weren't making serious progress to stop it and paying for any and all repairs to my car including potential time lost from work and having to deal with that bullshit I would beat the snot out of the kid.
Also, a child with a gun is still a person with a gun just like a child with a rock is still a person with a rock. Maybe he shouldn't be using weapons, or would it have been better if I started chucking rocks back at his head?
On August 31 2011 15:14 Fission wrote: So many clueless, self-righteously moral whiteknights in this thread. If you can't understand that the reason this is amusing is because of the absurdity of it being a crossbow, fired from a moving car, and not the fact that some kid who was trying to kill innocent people on a highway by throwing rocks at their moving vehicles was hurt, then you are retarded. And by the way, if you're traveling at highway speed, and a large rock hits your windshield, it's extremely dangerous. The violence isn't funny, it being a crossbow is. If it was a bow and arrow, it would be even funnier.
The problem is the people in this thread -- and there are plenty -- going "The kid deserved what he got!" and applauding the man's decision to attempt to murder a child. Stop trying to rationalize it.
PS: he wasn't travelling at highway speed, read the article.
Rationalize what? The fact that I find it funny? I don't need to rationalize that - I simply find it so.
Going to murder someone with silly string, I hope I have everyone in this thread's support.
At first, I laughed really hard... the story is just so absurd. Then I felt like a horrible person, because I just laughed at two incidents that could kill people.
Then I read that no one was injured, and felt better about myself.
On August 31 2011 15:14 Fission wrote: So many clueless, self-righteously moral whiteknights in this thread. If you can't understand that the reason this is amusing is because of the absurdity of it being a crossbow, fired from a moving car, and not the fact that some kid who was trying to kill innocent people on a highway by throwing rocks at their moving vehicles was hurt, then you are retarded. And by the way, if you're traveling at highway speed, and a large rock hits your windshield, it's extremely dangerous. The violence isn't funny, it being a crossbow is. If it was a bow and arrow, it would be even funnier.
The problem is the people in this thread -- and there are plenty -- going "The kid deserved what he got!" and applauding the man's decision to attempt to murder a child. Stop trying to rationalize it. Laughing at a guy using a crossbow for anything because you're disconnected from the situation is okay. Rooting for this kind of thing to happen is not.
PS: he wasn't travelling at highway speed, read the article.
I think people see it differently because the kid isn't actually dead... they get the idea that Oh! An adult actually did something on their own without calling the police about a kid vandalizing MY cars! Awesome!...
... if that kid were dead, it'd be a whole different story with different opinions, and the chance of death was, however improbable, still possible...
Part of me is saying good job, but I'd never want to actually wish someone else harm for doing something stupid like throwing a rock at a car.
On August 31 2011 15:18 iCanada wrote: At first, I laughed really hard... the story is just so absurd. Then I felt like a horrible person, because I just laughed at two incidents that could kill people.
Then I read that no one was injured, and felt better about myself.
Have a crossbow bolt stuck into your abdomen after it was projected from a moving vehicle is most definitely an injury. Probably a very painful one too.
On August 31 2011 11:28 Zergneedsfood wrote: On one hand, I was kind of amused
Pretty much sums it up for me lol.
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I don't understand why this was bannable o_O
because kwark doesn't believe this is funny
I don't understand why that is bannable
Because the use of deadly force is not funny and should not be encouraged like that.
On August 31 2011 14:40 Tippereth wrote:
On August 31 2011 14:39 Caloooomi wrote: Made me giggle as it's such a surreal response to the act. Saying that, if it were a gun it would be a completely different story - don't understand how there were no arrests though.
Well, that's the point, isn't it? Nobody's laughing at the act of violence, they're laughing at the absurdity of it being a crossbow.
This pretty sums up my opinion of the general theme of peoples' reactions in this thread. Believe it or not, this forum isn't populated by a bunch of immoral assholes who take pleasure in other peoples' suffering. The funny part is, as quoted, the absurdity of it being a crossbow of all things, and the concept of someone carrying a crossbow around for self defense as apposed to something more conventional. No one laughed at the fact that a kid was injured, and little to no one would've sided with the shooter had it not been for the fact that he was using a crossbow.
How does a crossbow change the morality of siding with the shooter? What if he had a sword? A machete? A switchblade? A pistol? What if he had gotten out of his car and strangled the child with a rubber chicken?
There were plenty of people in this thread saying things like "The kid got what was coming to him", or that he "deserved" it. The absurdity of the weapon, or humour that you find therein, doesn't change the fact that the shooter assaulted a minor with a deadly weapon. Siding with the shooter has nothing to do with what weapon he used, as he still meant to cause grievous harm and possibly death to the child.
There were plenty of people laughing that the kid was injured, and arguing that it was right and commendable that he was injured, and that the shooter should be lauded for his efforts. His choice of weapon doesn't change his actions, and doesn't change what people represent when they side with the shooter and commend him.
(I'm also not commenting on the people who find the situation absurd, or funny. I don't really care about them. I'm talking about the people I was arguing with, who in fact did applaud the efforts of the shooter, whose actions remain the same, regardless of weapon)
Well, if you're gonna talk about intent, what motive did the kid have to throw rocks at moving cars? Did he not know what he was doing? Or maybe the kid was trying to cause grievous harm and possibly death to his victims.
On August 31 2011 15:14 Fission wrote: So many clueless, self-righteously moral whiteknights in this thread. If you can't understand that the reason this is amusing is because of the absurdity of it being a crossbow, fired from a moving car, and not the fact that some kid who was trying to kill innocent people on a highway by throwing rocks at their moving vehicles was hurt, then you are retarded. And by the way, if you're traveling at highway speed, and a large rock hits your windshield, it's extremely dangerous. The violence isn't funny, it being a crossbow is. If it was a bow and arrow, it would be even funnier.
The problem is the people in this thread -- and there are plenty -- going "The kid deserved what he got!" and applauding the man's decision to attempt to murder a child. Stop trying to rationalize it.
PS: he wasn't travelling at highway speed, read the article.
Rationalize what? The fact that I find it funny? I don't need to rationalize that - I simply find it so.
Going to murder someone with silly string, I hope I have everyone in this thread's support.
You have my support. I hope that the news article reads "Boy taunts other boy on internet regarding boy throwing rocks at car and getting crossbowed, gets garroted by silly string", and I hope it spawns a thread as idiotic as this one.
I'm curious as to the age of the "boy". In the article it says the shooters were juveniles. It would make a lot more sense if, say, the crossbowman was around the same age as the rock throwers. Either way it's wrong, but it seems like a lot of people are under the impression it's an older man shooting an 8 year old. Which it could be, but who knows.
On August 31 2011 15:18 iCanada wrote: At first, I laughed really hard... the story is just so absurd. Then I felt like a horrible person, because I just laughed at two incidents that could kill people.
Then I read that no one was injured, and felt better about myself.
Have a crossbow bolt stuck into your abdomen after it was projected from a moving vehicle is most definitely an injury. Probably a very painful one too.
Well obviously, but seriously hurt I mean. Like the kid isn't in serious condition in the hospital.
Crazy story, I mean its just weird as hell....A crossbow? Really who has that just sitting in their car. I guess its the same kind of crazy person who would shoot at a freaking kid for throwing rocks. Damn people are crazy. I know the kid was being an asshole for doing that (plus it could cause a crash) but seriously? Way to crazily overreact. I'm just thinking "why?" Why throw rocks at cars (seriously even as a kid I knew that doing that was both assholish and dangerous) and Why would it be worth possibly killing someone over? The kid deserved a scolding/punishment from his parents not a crossbow bolt to his chest. WTF is with people I know we like to think we are more "civilized" then people of the past but we really aren't. We just have greater technology but human behavior will always comedown to careless disregard for others (when you look at humanity as a whole).
On August 31 2011 15:17 HereticSaint wrote: The response from "people like you" would be exactly the same if he went and beat the shit out of the kid. You're wrong and yes, if there was a kid who was constantly throwing rocks at my car and the parents weren't making serious progress to stop it and paying for any and all repairs to my car including potential time lost from work and having to deal with that bullshit I would beat the snot out of the kid.
Also, a child with a gun is still a person with a gun just like a child with a rock is still a person with a rock. Maybe he shouldn't be using weapons, or would it have been better if I started chucking rocks back at his head?
I'm sure you never did anything stupid at all when you where a kid? Fact is it wouldn't suprise me if you've done a lot of stupid still as a grown up, being that you still seem to reason as a kid. If a kid was throwing rocks at me, or at a car that I had, then I'd go to his parents, and if that didn't work, I'd go to the police. To beat the crap out of the kid or throw rocks back, that's what someone would do who still thinks as a 8 year old.
Also I'm kind of disgusted with all people here saying the crowbowman is a hero, as it ended up now one could say that the kid should suit itself (lets not think about the fact that he probably has gone through some real shit in his life to start behaving like this). But the shooter could by no way have any idea that he wouldn't hit the kid on someplace else, giving the kid life long injuries or even killing him.
For me, this is a story of a kid who's remarkably stupid, getting hurt by a grown up who is way more stupid and who should be jailed up.
On August 31 2011 15:04 towers wrote: Vigilante justice is wrong, crossbow or rock.
And honestly if I had to choose between the two wrongs, I would rather be neighbors to a kid who throws rocks at cars then be a neighbor to an adult who shoots kids with a crossbow.
In this case a woman died because idiots like this kid were throwing rocks from a fly-over. This is not a unique case, I could probably find you a dozen similar ones where people in the car got injured in the past few years.
I don't know if the guy was aiming to kill, but the article also doesn't mention what size rocks the kid was throwing either. As far as I'm concerned both should have been arrested.
On August 31 2011 15:22 Slaughter wrote: Crazy story, I mean its just weird as hell....A crossbow? Really who has that just sitting in their car. I guess its the same kind of crazy person who would shoot at a freaking kid for throwing rocks. Damn people are crazy. I know the kid was being an asshole for doing that (plus it could cause a crash) but seriously? Way to crazily overreact. I'm just thinking "why?" Why throw rocks at cars (seriously even as a kid I knew that doing that was both assholish and dangerous) and Why would it be worth possibly killing someone over? The kid deserved a scolding/punishment from his parents not a crossbow bolt to his chest. WTF is with people I know we like to think we are more "civilized" then people of the past but we really aren't. We just have greater technology but human behavior will always comedown to careless disregard for others (when you look at humanity as a whole).
I'd like to think the kid would deserve more than a scolding from his parents for recklessly endangering the lives (and property) of others for his own amusement, but maybe that's just me.
Anyway, odds are the guy is not crazy and just seriously overreacted for whatever reason. Yes, he deserves to punished to the fullest extent of the law, but I don't think making a bad decision in the heat of the moment makes him some kind of a deranged psychopath.
Its funny. If you do something wrong and suffer a consequence it is funny to other people. Doesn't matter how severe the consequence, other people like to see wrong doers suffer.
If the kid hadn't been doing anything wrong no one would be laughing. Moral of the story. Do wrong things and when it backfires people will laugh.
On August 31 2011 11:28 Zergneedsfood wrote: On one hand, I was kind of amused
Pretty much sums it up for me lol.
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I don't understand why this was bannable o_O
because kwark doesn't believe this is funny
I don't understand why that is bannable
Because the use of deadly force is not funny and should not be encouraged like that.
On August 31 2011 14:40 Tippereth wrote:
On August 31 2011 14:39 Caloooomi wrote: Made me giggle as it's such a surreal response to the act. Saying that, if it were a gun it would be a completely different story - don't understand how there were no arrests though.
Well, that's the point, isn't it? Nobody's laughing at the act of violence, they're laughing at the absurdity of it being a crossbow.
This pretty sums up my opinion of the general theme of peoples' reactions in this thread. Believe it or not, this forum isn't populated by a bunch of immoral assholes who take pleasure in other peoples' suffering. The funny part is, as quoted, the absurdity of it being a crossbow of all things, and the concept of someone carrying a crossbow around for self defense as apposed to something more conventional. No one laughed at the fact that a kid was injured, and little to no one would've sided with the shooter had it not been for the fact that he was using a crossbow.
How does a crossbow change the morality of siding with the shooter? What if he had a sword? A machete? A switchblade? A pistol? What if he had gotten out of his car and strangled the child with a rubber chicken?
There were plenty of people in this thread saying things like "The kid got what was coming to him", or that he "deserved" it. The absurdity of the weapon, or humour that you find therein, doesn't change the fact that the shooter assaulted a minor with a deadly weapon. Siding with the shooter has nothing to do with what weapon he used, as he still meant to cause grievous harm and possibly death to the child.
There were plenty of people laughing that the kid was injured, and arguing that it was right and commendable that he was injured, and that the shooter should be lauded for his efforts. His choice of weapon doesn't change his actions, and doesn't change what people represent when they side with the shooter and commend him.
(I'm also not commenting on the people who find the situation absurd, or funny. I don't really care about them. I'm talking about the people I was arguing with, who in fact did applaud the efforts of the shooter, whose actions remain the same, regardless of weapon)
Well, if you're gonna talk about intent, what motive did the kid have to throw rocks at moving cars? Did he not know what he was doing? Or maybe the kid was trying to cause grievous harm and possibly death to his victims.
Did I say that the child should be absolved from any guilt in throwing rocks at cars?
On August 31 2011 14:49 applejuice wrote: You guys realize it IS possible to kill someone with a rock, right? How is that harmless kid stuff? It's summer, and lots of car windows are going to be wide open. At the very least, you WILL cause injury if you throw a rock at someone.
The crossbow bit is sick, but to absolve the kid of all responsibility is ridiculous. I doubt they will try very hard to find the guy who did this, because they know if they charge that guy, they'll probably have to charge the kid as well.
How would you react if someone threw a rock at you? Not shot the kid, but it's pretty damn scary, is it not?
In general, people aren't trying to absolve the child from any sort of guilt. He is an idiot for throwing rocks at a car, and would hopefully get charged for doing something illegal. Stating that the guy who shot the child with a crossbow is despicable and grossly over-reacted is not the same as saying that the child shouldn't have gotten in trouble for throwing rocks.
In fact, I'm pretty sure I said the opposite. I think he should be charged with whatever illegalities he was committing. His actions shouldn't give you the right to attempt to murder him, however.
So, we get back to the original argument of the thread. If someone is doing something illegal, that has the potential to harm you or others, or cause damage to property, are you entitled, and in the right, to take violent counter-measures against them?
If you saw someone speeding down the road, or driving erratically in a way which had the potential to cause harm to you or other drivers, would you get out of your car and shoot them if you were both stopped at the same red light?
This basically comes down to the question of whether you would allow and engage in vigilantism, or not. If you think the shooter is in the right, then you agree with said vigilantism, but also with the use of disproportionate violence in the administering of it.
I'm also going to bed now, so don't expect any answers from me for several hours.
On August 31 2011 15:28 Bobgrimly wrote: Its funny. If you do something wrong and suffer a consequence it is funny to other people. Doesn't matter how severe the consequence, other people like to see wrong doers suffer.
If the kid hadn't been doing anything wrong no one would be laughing. Moral of the story. Do wrong things and when it backfires people will laugh.
I don't think anyone would laugh if they ran him over with the car. The only funny thing is that they used a crossbow. The kid probably deserved what he got seeing as he isn't dead or seriously injured (I'm sure they'd report that if he was).
Crossbowman would have a very easy time convincing a jury of temporary insanity. Say he was on a hunting trip with a friend. Some brat throws a rock at his car while they're driving. The selfish, reckless, violent act of the kid drives him into a high-powered road-rage, which is a very well documented syndrome. He grabs his crossbow just to fire a shot to scare the kid and teach him a lesson. But he missed. Oops. No problem, I'd let him off. **** that kid, seriously. If you want to get shot at by a stranger, there is probably no better way of going about it than what that kid was doing.
i keep laughing so hard at the word "crossbowman" being used in relevance to an event that occurred just recently.
honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote: i keep laughing so hard at the word "crossbowman" being used in relevance to an event that occurred just recently.
honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
If people shot children with crossbows as much as rocks were thrown at cars, I'm pretty sure the crossbows would prove a bit more lethal.
San Diego "Teen". Believed to be shot by "Teens". I don't know how many times in the past 30 minutes I've read people rushing to the defense of the "small child" against the "grown man". The only place in the OP that mentions "child" is the fact that he went to a children's hospital, which is for anyone under 18.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that this is an awful case where both parties should have severe consequences. But please, I beg, at least read the articles before arguing your sides to the cases.
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote:honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
Well according to a majority of the people in this thread he was in the wrong, throwing rocks however only deserves a stern talking to. Therefore I deduce if I want to drive around I wont carry a crossbow, instead I'll carry a sack of rocks ready to return fire and defend myself.
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote: i keep laughing so hard at the word "crossbowman" being used in relevance to an event that occurred just recently.
honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
If people shot children with crossbows as much as rocks were thrown at cars, I'm pretty sure the crossbows would prove a bit more lethal.
Depends on the intent of the shooter, most people who actually own a crossbow and know how to load it and actually hit a target know how to aim therefore if they didn't want lethal shots I think the rock would still be more deadly
On August 31 2011 15:31 Leporello wrote: Crossbowman would have a very easy time convincing a jury of temporary insanity. Say he was on a hunting trip with a friend. Some brat throws a rock at his car while they're driving. The selfish, reckless, violent act of the kid drives him into a high-powered road-rage, which is a very well documented syndrome. He grabs his crossbow just to fire a shot to scare the kid and teach him a lesson. But he missed. Oops. No problem, I'd let him off. **** that kid, seriously. If you want to get shot at by a stranger, there is probably no better way of going about it than what that kid was doing.
A man who, when he gets angry, fires lethal weapons at children should not be allowed to walk free.
On August 31 2011 15:14 Fission wrote: So many clueless, self-righteously moral whiteknights in this thread. If you can't understand that the reason this is amusing is because of the absurdity of it being a crossbow, fired from a moving car, and not the fact that some kid who was trying to hurt innocent people on a highway by throwing rocks at their moving vehicles was hurt, then you are retarded. And by the way, if you're traveling at highway speed, and a large rock hits your windshield, it's extremely dangerous. The violence isn't funny, it being a crossbow is. If it was a bow and arrow, it would be even funnier.
Why am I clueless and retarded for not having the same humour as you? What amuses me is how people on forums seemingly think that everyone who aren't exactly like themselves are retarded/clueless. Oh, and if you don't understand why that's amusing you're a poopface with blue moisty ears and a virgin (this totally makes sense, right?).
San Diego "Teen". Believed to be shot by "Teens". I don't know how many times in the past 30 minutes I've read people rushing to the defense of the "small child" against the "grown man". The only place in the OP that mentions "child" is the fact that he went to a children's hospital, which is for anyone under 18.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that this is an awful case where both parties should have severe consequences. But please, I beg, at least read the articles before arguing your sides to the cases.
Alright, replace every instance of child and [adjective] child with "dumbass" and it is still not okay.
I would be pretty concerned for my personal safety if a stranger, out of the blue, threw a cinderblock or whatever good-sized chunk of rock at my windshield.
Not saying the act of impromptu archery was justified, but its not like the victim was committing a harmless prank either.
On August 31 2011 15:31 Leporello wrote: Crossbowman would have a very easy time convincing a jury of temporary insanity. Say he was on a hunting trip with a friend. Some brat throws a rock at his car while they're driving. The selfish, reckless, violent act of the kid drives him into a high-powered road-rage, which is a very well documented syndrome. He grabs his crossbow just to fire a shot to scare the kid and teach him a lesson. But he missed. Oops. No problem, I'd let him off. **** that kid, seriously. If you want to get shot at by a stranger, there is probably no better way of going about it than what that kid was doing.
A man who, when he gets angry, fires lethal weapons at children should not be allowed to walk free.
But by the same token, two children who are throwing rocks at cars, and are able to cause multiple deaths, should not be allowed to walk free.
Good on the guy, though maybe a threatening tirade would've been more appropriate than shooting the kid.
On August 31 2011 15:31 Leporello wrote: Crossbowman would have a very easy time convincing a jury of temporary insanity. Say he was on a hunting trip with a friend. Some brat throws a rock at his car while they're driving. The selfish, reckless, violent act of the kid drives him into a high-powered road-rage, which is a very well documented syndrome. He grabs his crossbow just to fire a shot to scare the kid and teach him a lesson. But he missed. Oops. No problem, I'd let him off. **** that kid, seriously. If you want to get shot at by a stranger, there is probably no better way of going about it than what that kid was doing.
A man who, when he gets angry, fires lethal weapons at children should not be allowed to walk free.
Looks like it was not a man after all and just a couple of dumb teenagers.
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote:honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
Well according to a majority of the people in this thread he was in the wrong, throwing rocks however only deserves a stern talking to. Therefore I deduce if I want to drive around I wont carry a crossbow, instead I'll carry a sack of rocks ready to return fire and defend myself.
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote: i keep laughing so hard at the word "crossbowman" being used in relevance to an event that occurred just recently.
honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
If people shot children with crossbows as much as rocks were thrown at cars, I'm pretty sure the crossbows would prove a bit more lethal.
Depends on the intent of the shooter, most people who actually own a crossbow and know how to load it and actually hit a target know how to aim therefore if they didn't want lethal shots I think the rock would still be more deadly
Oh hey, doesn't that explain why the kid deserves a talking to whereas the crossbow shooter gets jail time.
On August 31 2011 15:28 Bobgrimly wrote: Its funny. If you do something wrong and suffer a consequence it is funny to other people. Doesn't matter how severe the consequence, other people like to see wrong doers suffer.
If the kid hadn't been doing anything wrong no one would be laughing. Moral of the story. Do wrong things and when it backfires people will laugh.
There's that, but there's also the knowledge that the rock thrower isn't seriously harmed that allays any concern for him.
If the story were "Boy throws rocks at car and gets hit by banana; is in comatose state" it wouldn't be that funny (to me at least). It's just that since we know everyone involved is more or less safe now, it's pretty easy to laugh off.
On August 31 2011 15:22 Slaughter wrote: Crazy story, I mean its just weird as hell....A crossbow? Really who has that just sitting in their car. I guess its the same kind of crazy person who would shoot at a freaking kid for throwing rocks. Damn people are crazy. I know the kid was being an asshole for doing that (plus it could cause a crash) but seriously? Way to crazily overreact. I'm just thinking "why?" Why throw rocks at cars (seriously even as a kid I knew that doing that was both assholish and dangerous) and Why would it be worth possibly killing someone over? The kid deserved a scolding/punishment from his parents not a crossbow bolt to his chest. WTF is with people I know we like to think we are more "civilized" then people of the past but we really aren't. We just have greater technology but human behavior will always comedown to careless disregard for others (when you look at humanity as a whole).
I'd like to think the kid would deserve more than a scolding from his parents for recklessly endangering the lives (and property) of others for his own amusement, but maybe that's just me.
Anyway, odds are the guy is not crazy and just seriously overreacted for whatever reason. Yes, he deserves to punished to the fullest extent of the law, but I don't think making a bad decision in the heat of the moment makes him some kind of a deranged psychopath.
Well thats why I also had /punishment in there. No one punishment works for every kid as different kids will respond to different punishments. The important thing is a way to have the kid learn from his mistake and to realize what he was doing was wrong/reckless and having that lesson taught by his parents by whatever method works best in getting the point across.
On August 31 2011 15:14 Fission wrote: So many clueless, self-righteously moral whiteknights in this thread. If you can't understand that the reason this is amusing is because of the absurdity of it being a crossbow, fired from a moving car, and not the fact that some kid who was trying to hurt innocent people on a highway by throwing rocks at their moving vehicles was hurt, then you are retarded. And by the way, if you're traveling at highway speed, and a large rock hits your windshield, it's extremely dangerous. The violence isn't funny, it being a crossbow is. If it was a bow and arrow, it would be even funnier.
Why am I clueless and retarded for not having the same humour as you? What amuses me is how people on forums seemingly think that everyone who aren't exactly like themselves are retarded/clueless. Oh, and if you don't understand why that's amusing you're a poopface with blue moisty ears and a virgin (this totally makes sense, right?).
I am absolutely unconcerned whether you find it funny or not. The people I'm speaking about are the ones who are accusing people like me of being "sick, inhuman monsters etc etc". What I find amusing is how you took a post that probably isn't even being directed at you, and somehow took offense to it. You understand WHY I find it to be funny, correct? You might disagree, or not, or anything in between, and that's great.
Edit: summary: hurting people is bad. absurd things are funny->the situation is absurd-> therefore I find it is funny-> people don't understand that and mistakenly assume people find killing children funny and overreact -> I am annoyed at them
man so many people are shouting, he is a kid its not his faulth, bla bla bla, seriously kids are crazy these days, and society is even worse, its not his faulth he killed your sister while she was driving, he is a kid he doesnt know better...
your saying potentially killing some1 only deserves a stern talking too? .... i say parents should start beating some sense into there kids again and police should be scaring them pissless >.> throw some of those kids in jail for 5years and see if they still try that shit,,
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote:honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
Well according to a majority of the people in this thread he was in the wrong, throwing rocks however only deserves a stern talking to. Therefore I deduce if I want to drive around I wont carry a crossbow, instead I'll carry a sack of rocks ready to return fire and defend myself.
On August 31 2011 15:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote: i keep laughing so hard at the word "crossbowman" being used in relevance to an event that occurred just recently.
honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
If people shot children with crossbows as much as rocks were thrown at cars, I'm pretty sure the crossbows would prove a bit more lethal.
Depends on the intent of the shooter, most people who actually own a crossbow and know how to load it and actually hit a target know how to aim therefore if they didn't want lethal shots I think the rock would still be more deadly
Oh hey, doesn't that explain why the kid deserves a talking to whereas the crossbow shooter gets jail time.
I find it hard to believe that two teenagers would throw rocks at a car without malicious intent.
I'd wager anyone who thinks this is funny has obviously never handled a crossbow. I mean, it seems comical if it were fictitious, but i can assure you it wouldn't be comical to anyone that saw it happen.
Crossbows aren't just things you hear about in medieval stories. People use them still and they are extremely potent weapons. This is the same as the guy rolling down the window and shooting the kid with a gun.
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote: i keep laughing so hard at the word "crossbowman" being used in relevance to an event that occurred just recently.
honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
If people shot children with crossbows as much as rocks were thrown at cars, I'm pretty sure the crossbows would prove a bit more lethal.
It's not the potential for lethality, it's the frequencies of the occurrences. There are plenty of stories regarding injuries or deaths due to rocks thrown at cars; however, this is the first time I have heard of a driveby crossbow shooting.
Imagine if the story was "kid throws rock, gets hit by driveby rpg." It would be even more ludicrous and garner some chuckles
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote:honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
Well according to a majority of the people in this thread he was in the wrong, throwing rocks however only deserves a stern talking to. Therefore I deduce if I want to drive around I wont carry a crossbow, instead I'll carry a sack of rocks ready to return fire and defend myself.
On August 31 2011 15:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote: i keep laughing so hard at the word "crossbowman" being used in relevance to an event that occurred just recently.
honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
If people shot children with crossbows as much as rocks were thrown at cars, I'm pretty sure the crossbows would prove a bit more lethal.
Depends on the intent of the shooter, most people who actually own a crossbow and know how to load it and actually hit a target know how to aim therefore if they didn't want lethal shots I think the rock would still be more deadly
Oh hey, doesn't that explain why the kid deserves a talking to whereas the crossbow shooter gets jail time.
I don't know what warped place you live (Yes, I do, but not the point), but where I live you are actually able to defend yourself.
A weapon is a weapon. If you decide to use a weapon against me then I respond by defending myself. If, for example you have a gun then I don't care if you are 13 or 56, if you shoot it at me I will defend myself.
Like someone else said, no shortage of white knights in this thread. Stockpiling rocks to carry because that's only way you are allowed to defend yourself. Or wait, am I not allowed to do that? Am I also not allowed to physically interact with him? OK, I'll just sit here while he throws rocks at my car. I... you know, never mind.
San Diego "Teen". Believed to be shot by "Teens". I don't know how many times in the past 30 minutes I've read people rushing to the defense of the "small child" against the "grown man". The only place in the OP that mentions "child" is the fact that he went to a children's hospital, which is for anyone under 18.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that this is an awful case where both parties should have severe consequences. But please, I beg, at least read the articles before arguing your sides to the cases.
Alright, replace every instance of child and [adjective] child with "dumbass" and it is still not okay.
To anyone saying "You should just call the police or stop the car and give him a stern talking to":
Even if there was a cop 5 seconds away when you made the call, all the kid has to do is say 'that wasn't me' and there's nothing the police are going to be able to do about it except take an incident report.
Get out of a car and chase after a kid who just threw part of a cinder block at you? What if the kid has a gun? What if he screams foul and you get arrested for potentially assaulting a kid because his friend lies?
If a kid is out throwing rocks at cars, you can be pretty sure "a stern talking to" isn't going to be any sort of deterrent. A bolt through the chest? Pretty sure he won't be pulling any sort of crap again. At some point you have to give some ownership of the incident to the kid.
San Diego "Teen". Believed to be shot by "Teens". I don't know how many times in the past 30 minutes I've read people rushing to the defense of the "small child" against the "grown man". The only place in the OP that mentions "child" is the fact that he went to a children's hospital, which is for anyone under 18.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that this is an awful case where both parties should have severe consequences. But please, I beg, at least read the articles before arguing your sides to the cases.
Alright, replace every instance of child and [adjective] child with "dumbass" and it is still not okay.
Yes, I fully agree with you.. not okay in the slightest. Just trying to throw some more information out there. It will make a lot of difference to some people knowing that it could possibly be a 17 year old who shot another 17 year old instead of a 30 year old shooting an 8 year old.
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote: i keep laughing so hard at the word "crossbowman" being used in relevance to an event that occurred just recently.
honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
If people shot children with crossbows as much as rocks were thrown at cars, I'm pretty sure the crossbows would prove a bit more lethal.
It's not the potential for lethality, it's the frequencies of the occurrences. There are plenty of stories regarding injuries or deaths due to rocks thrown at cars; however, this is the first time I have heard of a driveby crossbow shooting.
Imagine if the story was "kid throws rock, gets hit by driveby rpg." It would be even more ludicrous and garner some chuckles
That's not what he was saying. By your logic, guns are much more dangerous than nukes because they've, as a whole, killed more people because of the frequency.
On August 31 2011 15:47 Aulisemia wrote: To anyone saying "You should just call the police or stop the car and give him a stern talking to":
Even if there was a cop 5 seconds away when you made the call, all the kid has to do is say 'that wasn't me' and there's nothing the police are going to be able to do about it except take an incident report.
Get out of a car and chase after a kid who just threw part of a cinder block at you? What if the kid has a gun? What if he screams foul and you get arrested for potentially assaulting a kid because his friend lies?
If a kid is out throwing rocks at cars, you can be pretty sure "a stern talking to" isn't going to be any sort of deterrent. A bolt through the chest? Pretty sure he won't be pulling any sort of crap again. At some point you have to give some ownership of the incident to the kid.
Ahaha what the christ kind of logic is this. "A stern talking to won't work, but trying to kill them will so it's okay"
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote: i keep laughing so hard at the word "crossbowman" being used in relevance to an event that occurred just recently.
honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
If people shot children with crossbows as much as rocks were thrown at cars, I'm pretty sure the crossbows would prove a bit more lethal.
It's not the potential for lethality, it's the frequencies of the occurrences. There are plenty of stories regarding injuries or deaths due to rocks thrown at cars; however, this is the first time I have heard of a driveby crossbow shooting.
Imagine if the story was "kid throws rock, gets hit by driveby rpg." It would be even more ludicrous and garner some chuckles
Somehow I think you'd find there was a shortage of chuckling in this thread if that were the scenario... Personally, I think "boy throws rock at car, gets hit by RAV4 mounted railgun" would have me in stitches though...
Well, this officially made my day. lololol. I can't imagine what the guy who did it was thinking. "Oh shit, I got a crack in my winshield! I just got that fixed. Good thing I just had my grandfathers antique crossbow cleaned. Stand and deliver you little shit!"
On August 31 2011 15:31 Leporello wrote: Crossbowman would have a very easy time convincing a jury of temporary insanity. Say he was on a hunting trip with a friend. Some brat throws a rock at his car while they're driving. The selfish, reckless, violent act of the kid drives him into a high-powered road-rage, which is a very well documented syndrome. He grabs his crossbow just to fire a shot to scare the kid and teach him a lesson. But he missed. Oops. No problem, I'd let him off. **** that kid, seriously. If you want to get shot at by a stranger, there is probably no better way of going about it than what that kid was doing.
A man who, when he gets angry, fires lethal weapons at children should not be allowed to walk free.
I imagine he's looking at a decent bit of jailtime should they catch him. Attempted manslaughter of some degree is most probable.
San Diego "Teen". Believed to be shot by "Teens". I don't know how many times in the past 30 minutes I've read people rushing to the defense of the "small child" against the "grown man". The only place in the OP that mentions "child" is the fact that he went to a children's hospital, which is for anyone under 18.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that this is an awful case where both parties should have severe consequences. But please, I beg, at least read the articles before arguing your sides to the cases.
Going to quote this to make sure it gets read.
It was an argument between two groups of teens, one of which started throwing rocks at the other's car. The guy in the car then pulled out the crossbow and shot the thrower.
On August 31 2011 15:14 Fission wrote: So many clueless, self-righteously moral whiteknights in this thread. If you can't understand that the reason this is amusing is because of the absurdity of it being a crossbow, fired from a moving car, and not the fact that some kid who was trying to hurt innocent people on a highway by throwing rocks at their moving vehicles was hurt, then you are retarded. And by the way, if you're traveling at highway speed, and a large rock hits your windshield, it's extremely dangerous. The violence isn't funny, it being a crossbow is. If it was a bow and arrow, it would be even funnier.
Why am I clueless and retarded for not having the same humour as you? What amuses me is how people on forums seemingly think that everyone who aren't exactly like themselves are retarded/clueless. Oh, and if you don't understand why that's amusing you're a poopface with blue moisty ears and a virgin (this totally makes sense, right?).
I am absolutely unconcerned whether you find it funny or not. The people I'm speaking about are the ones who are accusing people like me of being "sick, inhuman monsters etc etc". What I find amusing is how you took a post that probably isn't even being directed at you, and somehow took offense to it. You understand WHY I find it to be funny, correct? You might disagree, or not, or anything in between, and that's great.
Edit: summary: hurting people is bad. absurd things are funny->the situation is absurd-> therefore I find it is funny-> people don't understand that and mistakenly assume people find killing children funny and overreact -> I am annoyed at them
I understand that people can think this is funny, I have many friends who would have laughed their asses off. I can also understand people thinking it's very much not funny, and that it's depressing that some people are so unempathic that they can laugh at others people missfortune. The thing that caught my eye in your post was how you used the word clueless and retarded about those who didn't think like you did. Be it so that they think that your humour is disgusting, it doesn't make them either clueless nor retarded.
This is why guns and things like it are bad for having around for general use. This was an impulsive action based on an initial anger reaction due to the rocks. People make stupid decisions all the time and impulsive ones can be the worst, especially when they are angry and feel slighted. These weapons just allow a convenient way of retaliation while in that impulsive state so they make a horrible decision. People don't stop and think for a god damn second.
On August 31 2011 15:32 ProxiEchoes wrote: i keep laughing so hard at the word "crossbowman" being used in relevance to an event that occurred just recently.
honestly i think the rock throwing is more dangerous, people die from that all the time. what are the chances of killing a kid with a cross bow out of a moving car, less id say.
If people shot children with crossbows as much as rocks were thrown at cars, I'm pretty sure the crossbows would prove a bit more lethal.
It's not the potential for lethality, it's the frequencies of the occurrences. There are plenty of stories regarding injuries or deaths due to rocks thrown at cars; however, this is the first time I have heard of a driveby crossbow shooting.
Imagine if the story was "kid throws rock, gets hit by driveby rpg." It would be even more ludicrous and garner some chuckles
That's not what he was saying. By your logic, guns are much more dangerous than nukes because they've, as a whole, killed more people because of the frequency.
On August 31 2011 15:47 Aulisemia wrote: To anyone saying "You should just call the police or stop the car and give him a stern talking to":
Even if there was a cop 5 seconds away when you made the call, all the kid has to do is say 'that wasn't me' and there's nothing the police are going to be able to do about it except take an incident report.
Get out of a car and chase after a kid who just threw part of a cinder block at you? What if the kid has a gun? What if he screams foul and you get arrested for potentially assaulting a kid because his friend lies?
If a kid is out throwing rocks at cars, you can be pretty sure "a stern talking to" isn't going to be any sort of deterrent. A bolt through the chest? Pretty sure he won't be pulling any sort of crap again. At some point you have to give some ownership of the incident to the kid.
Ahaha what the christ kind of logic is this. "A stern talking to won't work, but trying to kill them will so it's okay"
they are... by the time a nuke have been thrown at full city's more then twice the amount would of been killed by guns >.> Quoto fail >.> im new >.>
SAN DIEGO -- A 16-year-old boy who police said was throwing rocks at several vehicles was recovering Tuesday after being shot with a crossbow fired by someone inside a small sport utility vehicle, San Diego police reported.
The victim and another boy were throwing rocks at vehicles about 2:15 p.m. Monday in the vicinity of Linda Vista and Mesa College roads, police said. "That's where we're sorting out the stories," said SDPD Det. Gary Hassen. "One story says they were throwing rocks on Linda Vista Road. Another story says they were throwing rocks at another location."
Hassen said the boys got on a bus, and when they got off the bus, two young men in a black Toyota RAV 4 drove up. Someone in the SUV fired a crossbow, and an arrow hit one of the boys in the abdomen. He was treated at the hospital and is now at home, 10News reported.
Police don't know yet if the Toyota had been hit by rocks. The two teenagers in it, described as 16- to 17-year-old Latinos, got away and were last seen heading south on Linda Vista Road.
Bob Fromme of Performance Archery in San Diego said crossbows can do considerable damage. "It's not a self-defense weapon," he said. "It's a recreational-type weapon. Sometimes people do things they're not supposed to. They get hit with baseball bats and maybe stabbed with steak knives. But that's not what this was designed for."
Police don't know what type of crossbow was used, but Fromme told 10News they can fire an arrow at more than 350 feet per second and hit a 4- to 6-inch circle from 60 yards away. As for people getting shot with crossbows, Hassen said, "I've been doing this for well over 20 years, and this is the only the second time I've ever seen anybody shot with a crossbow. It's very unusual." Fromme agreed, and added, "Archery's not meant to be shooting people." The name of the boy who was shot is not being released.
On August 31 2011 15:50 ShadeR wrote: If the guys who shot the crossbow were of close age with rockboy would people react in a similar way to beast master casey smashing up that ratty kid?
Yes. Attempted murder is not a solution to anything.