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Since this whole topic degenerated into the usual balance flamefest where every topic ends up if unmoderated it's time for it to clean up. Locking this down for a while. Any posts made after my post [page 233] not addressing the changes in this patch directly and containting flames or general balance whine will get banned for at least a week. ~Nyovne There is way too much flaming in this thread right now. Calm down before you post! (Page 271) ~iamke55 | ||
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biaxiong
United States180 Posts
No more ling + infestor every ZvP finally, the old corruptor/roaches/(add banelings too!) deals with stalker/sentry/colossus well with early gas unit trades. Zerg just have to be aggressive instead of ling + infestor turtle mode into Broodlord. Zerg's are way better now with perfect drone and inject timings. Look at Coca vs Huk, 200/200 army at what 12min mark? | ||
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
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Theeakoz
United States1114 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:35 Primal666 wrote: because we all know motherships and collosi are in the front of the army. this way the Infestors doesnt counter most of available unit composition of the other 2 races... of course there is a number Zerg players who wouldn't like to lose a "pretty good" ability I would say but if you really love the game, look at this from all perspectives. Don't be worried about you losing your winning strike over this. As a Zerg player who recently switched into protoss, I experienced the pain of having to deal with a unit who would Counter massive units Counter air units Counter light units Kill workers on a massive scale (although zerg already has a baneling drops) break down the front wall using infested terran Punish blink and having to deal with infestor drops that would clear my main and much of my army with free infested terrans. It was my right to object to this situation and now that they've noticed it, im happy. thank you blizzard. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
1. NP should not work on momaship. 2. NP should work on Colo, from reading this thread people have tested it on ptr and its not in place. 3. Fungal needed nerfed. I actually still think fungal itself is a problem, that much dmg and stun is op. Make it slow. Right now a zerg can rush to about 15 infestor with a shitload of spines and be safe against anything. 4. All you zerg are complaining about how shitty Corrupters are. WTF IS THIS. Corrupters are no better than vikings, wait, are just as good as vikings. Terran have to make them to kill colo, so why should you be able to skip out. The only reason protoss doesn't coutner colo with air is because we just outmass colo. When you see colo, making a handfull of air units is standard. I hate that zerg think they shouldn't have too. I see soo many zerg going 'after the colo is dead we have 700 minerals/gas wasted. NO YOU DONT. You have spent 700/700 to kill like 1k/1k. And they can still turn into broods after. If were going colo and we dont have blink/vr and you can get to broods. Its gg. TLDR: Infestors will still be good, dont complain about having to use corrupters, because your going for late broods anyway with your infestors....Ling/Infestor to Roach/Infestor/Corrupter to Roach/Infestor/Broods will just be the new thing. Nothing will change. You might have to slow your tech a bit. Oh Wells. EDIT: Terran still needs nerfed. No Ghost or Marauder change is very sad. Second Edit: I know i mentioned ghost/rauder needing nerfed, because i think solotuion to 1/1/1 requires some additional thought, and will wait to see the immortal change with the +5 seconds. | ||
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Treble557
United States221 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:42 Rorschach wrote: other then the fact that my whole army is fungaled in front a ling wall and my ranged collossi all got NP..... I'll just blink my stalke.... oh wait they are all fungaled too.... but any minute now those slow ass HT will catch up and I will be able to feedback! Wait, you mean you might have to use something other then stalker colossus to beat zerg?!?! WTFS MANG!! WTFS!! :> | ||
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
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Sandro
897 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:37 billiebrightside wrote: Not necessarily. It will just stop zerg players who try to win with mass infestor and roach. Imagine a Protoss trying to win with mass stalker and high templar? It looks like with this, and the Ultras, Blizzard actually wants zerg to tech to tier 3 before winning. Zerg compositions are always going to feature less variety because the Zerg army doesn't have as many compositions that overlap effectively. Roaches gas costs weakens mutalisk balls, roach + ling is inferior to roaches if the enemy has splash damage, hydras aren't often worth the cost/tech cost over roaches or lings. Sure there's now better ultras making tier 3 better, but if someone is making ultras they need infestors as well so you're trading infestor/roach for late game infestor/ultra/ling which isn't that much deeper. There's just simply not enough specialization (by design mind you) in the Zerg army to commonly see 4-5 unit compositions. Especially since most units need several upgrades or out of the way tech buildings to be made (unlike stalkers and sentries which are immediately usable). Zerg army relies more on simpler compositions with more sweeping unit changes (like roach/infestor to broodlord/infestor). | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13379 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:40 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: you can NP immortals, stalkers, voids, even HT it'll still be useful, just you will have to think and not just go "oh yay colossi let's NP all of them" xD Can also NP archons which shred any zealots the protoss user might have. Yeah its less of a NP all the 6 food units you have and then I win kind of scenario. Because lets be honest, having to not make units to kill the collossi and instead NPin them and letting them kill themselves is kind of frustrating | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:43 Lomak wrote: Try using more than 1 hotkey to control your entire army. I do and even though I have everything on diff hotkeys micro doesn't matter when NOTHING can move cause its all fungaled and colossi are killing off my own units.... No reason toss should to get HT with storm and colossi to deal with infestor/ling. Zergs with no skills can pull that shit off and they have nothing else to spend gas on. Then BAM hive tech and your behind a base with no map control. Infestor is simply to versatile of caster in its current state.... | ||
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Zahki
Australia61 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:44 biaxiong wrote: This change forces Zergs to actually scout tech routes now instead of Infestors answer for everything, which it was. With Overseer cost down, scouting should be easier. Cool. When are Protoss going to be forced to scout instead of 3 base deathballing every game, since that counters everything Zerg has. Not surprising you're eager for the old days of Roach/Hydra/Corruptor to return considering how easy it was for Protoss to win against it. | ||
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Cain0
United Kingdom608 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:46 Sandro wrote: So the Infestor is nerfed, the High Templar is nerfed, where is the Ghost nerf? The Ghost is immune to nerfs as it is part of the Terran army. Seriously Blizzard, listen to this feedback, please. 9/10 people do not want the NP change to go through. It will break the game if it does. | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:47 Zahki wrote: Cool. When are Protoss going to be forced to scout instead of 3 base deathballing every game, since that counters everything Zerg has. Not surprising you're eager for the old days of Roach/Hydra/Corruptor to return considering how easy it was for Protoss to win against it. did I miss something or did they also removal fungal/infested terran and broods from the game also? Oh and I almost forgot that Ultra build time is doubled..... wait........ | ||
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Theeakoz
United States1114 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:36 Lomak wrote: So it's a nerf to zerg, (duh), and because the KA nerf was a nerf to Toss that makes them comparable. This game is so much more complicated than your simple mind can wrap itself around. You're just insulting the forum readers including me and there is no one here to punish you for it. Yes, that is what I said. You just repeated what I initially said and tried to make it look funny, it doesn't seem funny to me, it a point and you haven't come up with a counter argument against it. | ||
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p0lyph0ny
United States217 Posts
Should balance pvz a little bit, and force zerg to do a bit more creative play than just mindlessly going ling/infestor every game (sup destiny?) Ghosts on the other hand....... | ||
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Lomak
United States311 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:47 Rorschach wrote: I do and even though I have everything on diff hotkeys micro doesn't matter when NOTHING can move cause its all fungaled and colossi are killing off my own units.... No reason toss should to get HT with storm and colossi to deal with infestor/ling. Zergs with no skills can pull that shit off and they have nothing else to spend gas on. Then BAM hive tech and your behind a base with no map control. Infestor is simply to versatile of caster in its current state.... Fucking hilarious. This game is a joke and its because of stagnant play like toss who think all they should ever need to make are collosus / stalker. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:45 Treble557 wrote: Wait, you mean you might have to use something other then stalker colossus to beat zerg?!?! WTFS MANG!! WTFS!! :> should toss have gotten voids? zealots? archons? Fungal hits all of them too and neural got the archons. I like this change myself. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:47 Zahki wrote: Cool. When are Protoss going to be forced to scout instead of 3 base deathballing every game, since that counters everything Zerg has. Not surprising you're eager for the old days of Roach/Hydra/Corruptor to return considering how easy it was for Protoss to win against it. are you kidding me? baneling drops. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
i feel like i just walked into b.net forums. | ||
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Cain0
United Kingdom608 Posts
On September 10 2011 04:50 p0lyph0ny wrote: Good change. The idea of a sinlge infestor taking control of a mothership always bothered me. Should balance pvz a little bit, and force zerg to do a bit more creative play than just mindlessly going ling/infestor every game (sup destiny?) Enjoy 3 mindlessly 3 base death balling every game (sup every protoss player). | ||
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