EPTI acknowledge you can have a huge amount of game knowledge without getting into higher levels but when it comes to it, you're still using the ranking system which you so adamantly want to avoid. In truth, I would respect the OP more if you just said "I'm silver and I gain knowledge about the game through analysis and replays of high level players so I have a good sense of the game." Rather than "I'm silver but I can beat plat."
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mage36
415 Posts
I acknowledge you can have a huge amount of game knowledge without getting into higher levels but when it comes to it, you're still using the ranking system which you so adamantly want to avoid. In truth, I would respect the OP more if you just said "I'm silver and I gain knowledge about the game through analysis and replays of high level players so I have a good sense of the game." Rather than "I'm silver but I can beat plat." | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On August 25 2011 08:59 EneMal wrote: @TheSubtle No....That's ridiculous. That's like saying that you meet some guy who says he is called "Jack" and you don't believe him because there is so many names and he is statstically unlikely to be called Jack. Why would I lie about being EU plat level? I'm pretty sure the value of my word should be higher than the likelihood for someone to pretend to be 3 leagues below the highest. I make about 25% of my post about me to serve as an example and the thread becomes a massive troll fest. What a great fucking community. If i don't believe his name is Jack I'll ask to see his drivers lisense. If the lisence says his name is Fred, I'm more inclined to believe his name is Fred. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
Ladder league isn't a perfect representation of a player's skill, but it's really easy to check and is a reasonably good approximation. It's not an arbitrary icon whatsoever. A single replay or two can be misleading (and faked), and no one is going to spend an hour with a replay pack of everyone that posts on a strategy forum to find out if they're any good (hint: if they're not on a pro team, they're not any good so who cares what they say). | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
And yes, it's EXACTLY how life works and EXACTLY how Starcraft works. You don't get a job unless you have a certain degree, because no employer will be like "hm, well he SAYS he is really smart, but he never went to university to prove it.." A lot of your ignorance just stems from your age to be honest. | ||
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
so basicly you want to have equal authority to high ranked players in discussions and the current community does not accept that (in your opinion). personally, I never had any problems having my opinion respected as long as I very clearly specified it was my opinion and mine alone, this was when I was still gold, I was promoted to plat in S3, and I told everyone I was gold, I have yet to be flamed or raged at due to my rank. but lets ignore my point of view and instead look at the communities point of view. first of all lets get this out of the way: theorycrafting is often irrelevant. theorycrafting is inaccurate until proven otherwise. theorycrafting does NOT give a good picture of both players. theorycrafting is very very often biased. theorycrafting based on a single-digit number of games are ALWAYS inaccurate. theorycrafting is frowned upon for the earlier defined reasons. * these apply to theorycrafting in ALL leagues the above is my experience with theorycrafting, and as such an opinion based of of theorycrafting is more often than not completely useless. so, from the communities point of view, you are a silver level player with opinions based off games in silver league, with opponents in silver league, in other words the games are crappy. the only thing you have going for you is "high level theorycrafting" but as stated earlier, theorycrafting is often irrelevant. and so you claim your theory is more than theory, it is truth, but then as stated earlier, theorycrafting is inaccurate until proven otherwise. and here is where you hit a roadblock. to prove your statement correct, you need authority, you need to have faced and beaten good or at least ok-ish players, wilder the claim or theories require higher authority, you must be able to demonstrate that you are not just a butt-hurt scrub. then you turn to your experience of watching pros, you tell the community "I saw pro X do Y and Z happened", but then as stated earlier, theorycrafting based on a single-digit number of games are ALWAYS inaccurate. you would have to prove your point with data not your own, a tiring process believe me. yes. yes you can argue and theorycraft when you are ranked low. it is possible. it is simply much much more difficult than if you have established authority. the system is designed in such a way so that people that play better (aka have more first-hand experience) will have an easy time making their voice heard over the hundreds of thousands of scrubs screaming nonsense. unfortunately for you EneMal, you have gotten stuck in the trap of people screaming nonsense, the only way out is by intelligent reasoning that will stand out of the crowd, or gaining enough authority to walk out of there yourself, awed by the masses around you. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6593 Posts
On August 25 2011 09:18 Endymion wrote: OP, you're wrong. You think you have experience that you don't, and your coming off as ignorant as stubborn. Your example about age was spot on, although you interpreted it incorrectly. Sure some 15 year olds may be more mature than some 20 year olds, but a vast majority of 15 years olds are not. So we could assume that you're a GM level "theorycrafter" stuck in silver for whatEVER reason, but it's a million to one shot. Although TBH I just think you're trolling, judging from the "hehe kor>eu>na" on a mostly NA forum, when it didn't add a single thing to your post. And yes, it's EXACTLY how life works and EXACTLY how Starcraft works. You don't get a job unless you have a certain degree, because no employer will be like "hm, well he SAYS he is really smart, but he never went to university to prove it.." A lot of your ignorance just stems from your age to be honest. You beat me to it. OP... you are in silver because you don't ladder and you think you are plat? Okay. Play 10-20 games and get promoted. You being lazy and not laddering doesn't mean you have the skill to jump leagues because you think you understand the game. Do you realize how many diamond players have that attitude but can't beat most low level masters? You are in silver because it depicted your skill level when you played ladder. unless you are massing in-house games (which you never said so i'll assume you arent) You aren't getting better by understanding anything. In fact I believe the logic isn't there. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I think this guy said it best. Not only that, he was the first response. If I were you, I wouldn't have even mentioned that to make your point. Sigh. | ||
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EneMal
United Kingdom78 Posts
This is exactly what the original post was about. You're all so blinded by a little icon on someones profile that you can't even believe that they do their main play outside of ladder. Also, I never said I was a grandmaster theorycrafter, but I'd say I was probably master. How about, instead of looking at my current league placing or my age, you look at what I say and stop acting like such a fucking e-bigot. | ||
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blah_blah
346 Posts
You are a terrible player and a terrible poster, I'd suggest that you stop posting and stop embarassing yourself, but the schadenfreude is just too good. | ||
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ChronoCat
266 Posts
its really easy to tell plat-level play from silver-level play from a couple of replays | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
OP, we're not going to convince you, just like adults can't convince teenagers that no, they don't actually know more than adults do. It's just something they eventually learn in retrospect. It's just a normal part of psychological development. I don't want this post to come off as condescending, but it did. You'll learn eventually. | ||
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Sotamursu
Finland612 Posts
On August 25 2011 19:53 EneMal wrote: Guys...if I said I got the game 2 week ago and now I'm grandmaster. That would be a ridiculous claim. If I said I played at high diamond level but couldn't manage to get out of gold league...that would be a ridiculous claim. If I said I could play at platinum level but I USE LADDER TO OFFRACE AND TEST SPINE CRAWLER RUSHES AND NOT TRY TO GET PROMOTED. That's entirely realistic and reasonable. What the fuck is hard to believe about that? Because it sounds so much like an excuse for you being a silver player. Maybe instead of "testing spine crawler rushes" on the ladder you should do those in custom games and play your real matches on the ladder. Playing it the other way around makes absolutely no sense. Ladder - opponents increase in skill relative to yours - are generally more motivated to win (points/promotion/etc.) Customs - completely random opponents with most of them being in the lower leagues - people usually testing random shit or playing off-race, because there's no risk of losing points This is exactly what the original post was about. You're all so blinded by a little icon on someones profile that you can't even believe that they do their main play outside of ladder. How about, instead of looking at my current league placing or my age, you look at what I say and stop acting like such a fucking e-bigot. Since it's almost impossible to prove your points while theorycrafting, people value personal experiences of pros to judge things, as they know more about the game thanks to their experience. Also they cannot go running around making completely retarded statements as that removes their credibility quickly. When you're in silver, you're going to say stuff like "send your overlord to the center of the map, so you can scout easier", because no one in silver is good enough to kill it. That could easily be an instant loss against 2 rax. Also, I never said I was a grandmaster theorycrafter, but I'd say I was probably master. Sounds so ridiculous I laughed out loud. I'm a master terran and there's still a gigantic amount of things I don't know and I wouldn't say I'm in any position for people to take my balance or theorycrafting suggestions seriously. You can only imagine how I would feel about a platinum level view of the game. | ||
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Valckrie
United Kingdom533 Posts
From your recent post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=258862 I have reason to doubt that you are plat. But feel free to prove me wrong. | ||
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DueleR
United States207 Posts
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DueleR
United States207 Posts
lol, so I looked through your other posts, and in another thread you posted this: "I'm around EU platinum skill level (In silver league atm, but when I want I could get promoted easily) (around NA high diamond I think) and I need to work on my mechanics and perhaps split second decision making." So you're silver with apparently a lot of games played, and then you say your skill level is EU plat when you've never been promoted to plat despite playing hundreds of 1v1 ladder games. And then you go on to say that you think EU plat = NA high diamond, based off of what? Watching streams and theorycrafting that EU > NA by that margin? Have you ever played any other server besides EU? That aside, you keep telling us to not judge players by their league, but you still make it a point to note that you think your level is EU plat or NA high diamond. What? What's the point in writing that you think you're NA high diamond? You're making that same generalization about league and skill levels that you say people shouldn't make, and in your case, it just comes off as a desperate attempt to be taken seriously. For the record, I was NA high diamond back when I first got my EU account, and I was high diamond on EU as well within one afternoon of laddering. If you're at a certain skill level, you don't have to grind all that many games to be where you ought to be. I later got promoted to master's on both accounts around the same time--actually, on EU first. It's really not THAT different. | ||
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
Oh and, I wouldn't listen to your theorycraft even if you're platinum, come back when you're masters. | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
Just as with practically any other subject, you have to experience Starcraft II (in the sense of actually playing it) to understand it well. Hopefully you will realize things like this as you grow older and gain life experience. Among other things, I imagine you will likely find that your "fully formed philosophies and political opinions" you are touting in defense of your intelligence are naïveté. | ||
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th3_great
United Kingdom429 Posts
On August 25 2011 23:14 Ryalnos wrote: As of this moment you are incorrigible, EneMal. You are hopelessly wrong, but cannot see it. Just as with practically any other subject, you have to experience Starcraft II (in the sense of actually playing it) to understand it well. Hopefully you will realize things like this as you grow older and gain life experience. Among other things, I imagine you will likely find that your "fully formed philosophies and political opinions" you are touting in defense of your intelligence are naïveté. im actually surprised at the amount of reasonable responses to the OP, when the OP himself is being completely unreasonable and borderline abusive | ||
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