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Calgary26003 Posts
On August 26 2011 04:21 EneMal wrote:
@Chill 1. If you play random, why the fuck would you veto? And playing random already gives you a massive advantage in any vs zerg. Because certain maps play to a random's advantage, like 4 player maps and maps with long scouting patterns.
2. What the hell was the point you were trying to make with the post above? That's just a load of random quotes of stuff I've posted.
I'm trying to show a history of you talking yourself up with little evidence.
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The only way to settle this is for Blizzard to implement a theorycrafting ladder.
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@SusySquark If someone does something moronic, I'm going to call them out on it, whoever they are. It's called principals.
And, that's the point I was making.... I DO have "the decision-making or mechanics to punish it". Because I'm not a silver level player.
All I am saying is, just because I'm currently in the same league, that doesn't make the same as a 10 APM cannon turtle to 1base stargate. I was better than that when I was in bronze. Yet, this awful community would have probably said "lolol he is better than u nub thats why he is in higher league lolol jealouz nub".
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Calgary26003 Posts
On August 26 2011 04:30 EneMal wrote:
@SusySquark If someone does something moronic, I'm going to call them out on it, whoever they are. It's called principals.
And, that's the point I was making.... I DO have "the decision-making or mechanics to punish it". Because I'm not a silver level player.
All I am saying is, just because I'm currently in the same league, that doesn't make the same as a 10 APM cannon turtle to 1base stargate. I was better than that when I was in bronze. Yet, this awful community would have probably said "lolol he is better than u nub thats why he is in higher league lolol jealouz nub".
But look at it from our perspective. I've read your post history and you've never once demonstrated this diamond-in-the-rough analysis. So while it may be true, it's difficult for someone to take someone on their word when there is contradictory evidence (past posts, your current league, etc.)
What if I told you right now I have the heart to train 16 hours a day? Would you tell me:
a. Yea!
b. I think you underestimate how difficult training like a progamer is while overestimating your own abilities.
Obviously the latter. And that's what is happening here.
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Actually, EneMal, principals are for a school. I believe what you wish to have are principles. Whether it's lack of skill, application, or dedication that's keeping you in Silver, I don't think you can really claim "I belong higher" unless your position in ladder coincides with you regularly practicing with a team full of plat players that you have an even record with.
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You are truly being a dick in this thread.
First off I have played EU and NA, and EU silver DOES NOT NA diamond or whatever you are claiming. In fact I have played every server and the only ones i noticed a difference in leagues were China and Korea.
Second, you can say "oh hurp derp i offrace and mess around that's why I'm silver!". I have several of those accounts for myself (main one used to be on LA pre merge). I am a Diamond player on NA (admittedly it's maybe higher now since I don't ladder on NA anymore) and in all regions I can hit plat to diamond with offraces doing stupid shit. So I don't buy that excuse.
I think while your main concept is interesting, your asshole ways and refusal to believe you are just awful make this thread a wreck.
On August 26 2011 04:39 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 04:30 EneMal wrote:
@SusySquark If someone does something moronic, I'm going to call them out on it, whoever they are. It's called principals.
And, that's the point I was making.... I DO have "the decision-making or mechanics to punish it". Because I'm not a silver level player.
All I am saying is, just because I'm currently in the same league, that doesn't make the same as a 10 APM cannon turtle to 1base stargate. I was better than that when I was in bronze. Yet, this awful community would have probably said "lolol he is better than u nub thats why he is in higher league lolol jealouz nub". But look at it from our perspective. I've read your post history and you've never once demonstrated this diamond-in-the-rough analysis. So while it may be true, it's difficult for someone to take someone on their word when there is contradictory evidence (past posts, your current league, etc.) What if I told you right now I have the heart to train 16 hours a day? Would you tell me: a. Yea! b. I think you underestimate how difficult training like a progamer is while overestimating your own abilities. Obviously the latter. And that's what is happening here.
I love it when Chill breaks it down, and as usual he is right.
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You don't need great mechanics to stay consistent in diamond at all. Besides the very basic mechanical things, staying consistent at diamond pretty much hinges all on understanding the general flow of the game. If you are playing at silver then there is just really no way you even have the most preliminary grasping of game flow, because just brute forcing your way with mechanics on its own will get you higher than silver.
The whole spiel about how people will try to excuse themselves by saying, "I understand the game but my mechanics are too bad", is all really just nonsense because theory and application go hand in hand in starcraft. Everything else is just bullshit.
To give an anecdote, my cousin played diamond level in 2v2 and platinum in 1v1 even though he really didn't get the game all that much. To make things even funnier, he didn't even bind any hotkeys for units or buildings. He didn't have good mechanics. If you are playing in silver then you are just bad, period.
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Ok here's another example.
I played football (american football) from flag football as a kid until high school.
I was a better player in high school then I was in flag. I learned routes, play calling, and a million other things.
By your theory I am qualified to be a NFL player.
+ Show Spoiler +
I am not, there is still 10 million OTHER things I don't know
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I never said I belong in a higher league. I don't try to ladder so I don't belong in a higher league. This isn't a QQ thread. Doesn't change the fact that I can compete at around 50% or more w/l against platinums in general.
@Above...what the fuck are you talking about? My "theory" is the "theory" that someone who is better than someone else isn't the same as the person they are better than.
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On August 26 2011 04:59 EneMal wrote:
I never said I belong in a higher league. I don't try to ladder so I don't belong in a higher league. This isn't a QQ thread. Doesn't change the fact that I can compete at around 50% or more w/l against platinums in general.
How do you know that the plat players you are playing are not being tested by B.net for demotion?
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Because I didn't fight one plat player. I regularly practice with gold and platinum players. And most of them are solid in their respective leagues. It's not hard to beleive, iCCup. .....Why the hell do you act like its so hard to be a EU platinum that you can't believe anyone could accomplish it?
and I don't fight them ON LADDER. because I DON'T LADDER COMPETITIVELY. I fight them in customs.
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On August 26 2011 05:01 EneMal wrote:
Because I didn't fight one plat player. I regularly practice with gold and platinum players. And most of them are solid in their respective leagues. It's not hard to beleive, iCCup. .....Why the hell do you act like its so hard to be a EU platinum that you can't believe anyone could accomplish it?
Because you can't?
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^ worst troll comment ever, try again.
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On August 26 2011 05:01 EneMal wrote:
Because I didn't fight one plat player. I regularly practice with gold and platinum players. And most of them are solid in their respective leagues. It's not hard to beleive, iCCup. .....Why the hell do you act like its so hard to be a EU platinum that you can't believe anyone could accomplish it?
and I don't fight them ON LADDER. because I DON'T LADDER COMPETITIVELY. I fight them in customs.
I don't either, I CG most of my practice, yet somehow I can still hit at least plat or diamond on all regions, with all races, with any strat. Weird....
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this is so good!
don't ban him yet let us keep watching.
terrible community *tisk tisk* this is like a kilkenny lion playing with a glossy coated mouse.
I'm plat NA and your "diamond NA" lets play?
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I'm in the same boat as OP, even though I disagree with some of the things he said (namely the skill difference between regions)
I am so sick of all my posts on teamliquid getting ignored, especially in the strategy forums. I am only NA bronze, but if I actually cared about ladder and ever tried I would easily be mid masters. I play my high master friend on custom and I've beat him before. Not to mention everyone knows that region skills are different (NA>EU>CN>KR) so I'm probably like mid diamond KR right now. I always watch SoTG, ITG, Lo3, WoC and always have at least 2 progamer stream open (only the NA pros, because I only watch the best of the best).
Anyways, I agree the culture of teamliquid has to change, especially in the strategy forum. It's full of elitist nazi pieces of shit. When I give advice that I have gleaned through hours of watching pros play, I expect to be lauded over instead of made fun of just because of my stupid ladder rank that doesn't mean anything.
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Calgary26003 Posts
This thread is getting dumb. The point should have been rate people on the merit of their words, not their rank and league. Unfortunately, it seems the OP just opened this thread to push his own agenda.
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