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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
August 25 2011 14:29 GMT
#81
You theory craft at a really high level eh.
I am a GM theory crafter lets 1v1.
I usually craft on the NA server but I can jump on EU if its easier for you.

The only thing I do wrong in games is make mistakes too. I'm platinum but you know if I played more I would be in GM.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 15:30:52
August 25 2011 15:29 GMT
#82
I find people overvalue themselves. I put "I theorycraft at a very high level" in the same boat as "I'm high diamond but I play platinums" and "I'm platinum but I have 700 bonus pool" and "I'm masters but I'd be grandmasters if I played more." These are all just comments on potential. How can you even know that you theorycraft at a high level if you can't execute any of your theories?

It's like me saying I've revolutionized genetic science but I can't test any of my theories...

The proof is in the pudding.
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EneMal
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom78 Posts
August 25 2011 15:40 GMT
#83
The people posting on this are so incredibally fucking stupid that it's the fifth page and nobody has grasped the concept of not vetoing, off racing, and generally just using the ladder to mess about, lowering your league.

How can I delete this thread? The stupidity is making my eyes bleed.
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EneMal
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom78 Posts
August 25 2011 15:41 GMT
#84
On August 26 2011 00:40 EneMal wrote:
The people posting on this are so incredibally fucking stupid that it's the fifth page and nobody has grasped the concept of not vetoing, off racing, and generally just using the ladder to mess about, lowering your league.

How can I delete this thread? The stupidity is making my eyes bleed.

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EneMal
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 15:42:24
August 25 2011 15:41 GMT
#85
The people posting on this are so incredibally fucking stupid that it's the fifth page and nobody has grasped the concept of not vetoing, off racing, and generally just using the ladder to mess about, lowering your league.

How can I delete this thread? The stupidity is making my eyes bleed.

EDIT:!
What the fuck is going on, I never double posted??!?!?!
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-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
August 25 2011 15:42 GMT
#86
"I can't be arsed to get into platinum."

Why not? Playing the game is fun and when you are in a higher level league you get to play more games against (on average) more skilled opponents.

Do you mostly play customs or are you more interested in watching/thinking/talkingabout SC2?
powered by coffee, driven by hate.
EneMal
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom78 Posts
August 25 2011 15:43 GMT
#87
@Above

I mostly watch tournaments and streams and second from that, I play most of my games in customs with gold-plat+ practice partners. I only ladder when I want to try a cheesy build for fun against lower leveled opponents.
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mewbert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States291 Posts
August 25 2011 15:44 GMT
#88
im also a grandmaster theorycrafter, the highest of levels, I usually play on NA but I can get on eu if you want to 1v1 theorycraft
NoobStyles
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Australia257 Posts
August 25 2011 15:46 GMT
#89
On August 26 2011 00:40 EneMal wrote:
The people posting on this are so incredibally fucking stupid that it's the fifth page and nobody has grasped the concept of not vetoing, off racing, and generally just using the ladder to mess about, lowering your league.

How can I delete this thread? The stupidity is making my eyes bleed.



Realistically how much worse do you thing you are with your off-race? especially if you playing in on ladder all the time, kind of like you would with a main-race......

iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
August 25 2011 16:06 GMT
#90
Every silver league guy thinks he's actually gold-platinum, but just doesn't take ladder seriously.
Every platinum league guy thinks he's actually diamond, but just doesn't take ladder seriously.
Every master league guy thinks he'd be in grandmaster if he played seriously or didn't have the worst luck ever.
Every grandmaster thinks he's amazing when he beats a pro player on the ladder, then rages and makes excuses when he loses to a no-name master league player the next game.
Hell, I'm sure even GSL quality players with 50% win-rate think they're actually just as good as Nestea but rationalize their lack of results by saying tournament results don't matter.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
August 25 2011 16:58 GMT
#91
On August 26 2011 00:40 EneMal wrote:
The people posting on this are so incredibally fucking stupid that it's the fifth page and nobody has grasped the concept of not vetoing, off racing, and generally just using the ladder to mess about, lowering your league.

How can I delete this thread? The stupidity is making my eyes bleed.

I don't veto. I play random. I practice strategies on the ladder. I'm terrible.

I'm also in Master league.

I find people just can't accept what they are and really push their potential instead.
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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 25 2011 17:16 GMT
#92
On August 25 2011 19:53 EneMal wrote:
How about, instead of looking at my current league placing or my age, you look at what I say and stop acting like such a fucking e-bigot.

well if we look at what you say

-you whine about how no one listens to you
-you call your readers idiots

you're not going to win any arguments or convince anyone with strategy like that.


from what i see, everyone's calling you an idiot because of what you said and what you posted, not because you're in silver league. so your wish was granted.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 17:29:57
August 25 2011 17:26 GMT
#93
On August 25 2011 09:46 iamke55 wrote:
Judging from your scouting guide, I'd say your current league is a very good representation of your SC2 ability.

This is very funny. This and this will answer all your questions.

Lets have a theory craft show match I won't 2 gate.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
NibbloniaN
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States377 Posts
August 25 2011 17:31 GMT
#94
Very entertaining thread, thanks EneMal! haha

Chill's a baller...
On August 26 2011 01:58 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 00:40 EneMal wrote:
The people posting on this are so incredibally fucking stupid that it's the fifth page and nobody has grasped the concept of not vetoing, off racing, and generally just using the ladder to mess about, lowering your league.

How can I delete this thread? The stupidity is making my eyes bleed.

I don't veto. I play random. I practice strategies on the ladder. I'm terrible.

I'm also in Master league.

I find people just can't accept what they are and really push their potential instead.


I was in diamond last season and I got placed in platinum this season...sad story, but I accept the fact that blizzard thinks I'm platinum league, just gives me more motivation to get better and get back into diamond
My folks were always on me to groom myself and wear underpants. What am I, the pope?
eourcs
Profile Joined February 2011
United States459 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 18:14:01
August 25 2011 18:13 GMT
#95
...... You have to be trolling, there's no way a person can actually believe this. Right now, ladder is pretty much an indication of your skill level (I doubt you participate in tournaments). You're in silver. You say that you are platinum, but you're not, you're silver. It is only tangible indication of your skill level. Even though I agree that people should look more at the idea and not the icon, you also have to keep in mind we have fucking droves of people saying "Well I'm actually mid-high diamond, I just need to ladder seriously" which is an absolutely retarded statement. I'm in high-masters, do I complain that if I mass laddered and allin'ed everygame i'd be GM? No, because I'm in masters, that's what is next to my name. People need to look at themselves and realize they actually suck shit compared to people who are actually decent and stop making idiotic excuses for why they're not better.
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DueleR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States207 Posts
August 25 2011 18:31 GMT
#96
On August 26 2011 00:40 EneMal wrote:
The people posting on this are so incredibally fucking stupid that it's the fifth page and nobody has grasped the concept of not vetoing, off racing, and generally just using the ladder to mess about, lowering your league.

How can I delete this thread? The stupidity is making my eyes bleed.


No, people get it as a concept. But just because YOU supposedly "use the ladder to mess about" doesn't mean everyone does, and all it sounds like is you're making an excuse for why YOU'RE in silver. That's fine, but we don't actually care whether you're in silver or not, or whether you deserve it or not, or whether you secretly practice with gold/plat people or not. Those are your choices and you're free to do that. Just don't make it a "plea to the Starcraft Community" to somehow discount league placement because you as an individual are not vetoing, off-racing, messing about, etc etc etc, and then call people who HAVE played ladder at a much higher level than you idiots who don't understand the game.

And I would be 100% sure you're trolling, because your arguments are so ridiculous, but sadly your post history suggests otherwise.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
August 25 2011 19:11 GMT
#97
Just FYI, here are some examples of his high level theory crafting:

On August 19 2011 13:47 EneMal wrote:
Force fields on ramps are OP imo. The Force Field is a bad mechanics, at least with the big sentry range on it.

On August 08 2011 09:38 EneMal wrote:
http://drop.sc/25015

Lol. I know it won't really, but I hadn't seen anyone spine crawler rush against a terran before so I thought I'd post this.

By the way, when he says he is in silver, this is EU silver, which is roughly equivilent to high gold or low-mid platinum league in NA, so bear that in mind if you're an american watching this.
My effective APM is around 120 or 150 (later game) though and I'm actually more of a EU gold or platinum skill level (NA Dia) but I do stuff like this when I ladder so It's hard to get promoted

But hey, if you're in the lower leagues and want some fun you could give something like this a try.

On August 20 2011 11:41 EneMal wrote:
@Above

Same, I play at a EU platinum (NA High Diamond) level, but I'm in EU silver because I don't ladder very often, I mostly use it to offrace and test builds.

On August 20 2011 12:53 EneMal wrote:
http://drop.sc/28293

In the replay, I failed to deny a cannon rush and he restricted me to 1 base so instead of committing to a load of lings to destroy it anyway and being so far behind, I decided to go for a 1base nydus worm/mass ling cheese and it worked. I understand that my opponent had less than half my APM and wasn't a very good player (no offence ) but I think the question of such a build's viability stands.

However, this thread is more to discuss Nydus Worms as something that can be useful against a Forge Fast Expand in general. I think they have their place, but it would probably only work well on a map like shakuras where there is a lot of space for worms to go up.

Watcha think?

On August 24 2011 00:42 EneMal wrote:
Raven is the same tech as an overseer, deal with it and PLEASE PLEASE don't complain about your detection, us Zerg would give anything for scans and decent anti air.

User was warned for this post

On August 25 2011 08:09 EneMal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 08:46 LesPhoques wrote:
Platinum = kinda know what is happening, no knowledge on timings/build orders/horrible macro
Diamond = kinda know what is happening, knows 1 timing and uses it. Knows 1 build order but can't execute it properly/mediocre macro
Masters: low/mid masters= Have a fair idea what is happening, know common timings/few build orders/ok macro
High masters= Know what is going on, know timings + plus few weird ones/knows most build orderes/good macro



If that was true, I'd be a High masters player. But I'm not. Because it wasn't true. You can't make such ridiculous generalized statements. I always know what is happening, I know every common build, what it looks like, I wrote an entire guide on scouting, I know the best ways to react and I can micro and know how to position, etc. I'm around EU platinum skill level (In silver league atm, but when I want I could get promoted easily) (around NA high diamond I think) and I need to work on my mechanics and perhaps split second decision making.

People need to STOP acting like leagues mean much. Every region has a different skill level for the leagues and every player is different. There are plenty of masters who are just 1base superheroes or cheesers who don't know crap and plenty of high diamonds who do lots of customs and stuff who are better than a good few masters. There's plenty of high gold players with brilliant game sense and understanding and there is also plenty of awful gold players who would get owned by a high bronze.

Can't you people handle nuance?
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susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
August 25 2011 19:18 GMT
#98
Your host, Moderate Temperature for the save.
EneMal
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 19:29:14
August 25 2011 19:21 GMT
#99
@Chill 1. If you play random, why the fuck would you veto? And playing random already gives you a massive advantage in any vs zerg. I imagine that this is too complicated for you, unless I babysit you and explain it, so I suppose I will do that to save myself boredom later. I don't know any Zerg players who would open the same for different matchups. In theory, there are openers like speedling expand that could be viable in all maps and MUs, but if that isn't what a particular player already does in that MU, he's already forced out of his comfort zone. It's not like, for example, protoss who can open 1-gate core in every MU comfortably, until the opponent is scouted.
2. What the hell was the point you were trying to make with the post above? That's just a load of random quotes of stuff I've posted.
@Iamke: No...that's the most stupid comment I've ever seen. Before I stopped really laddering, it was an accurate league for me and when i start laddering again and the promotions kick in, it will be once again.

The entire point of this thread is you can't generalize all players in a league, especially cross-regions. I'm currently placed in the same league as protoss's with 10 APM that 1base cannon turtle to stargate.... I wasn't even that bad when I got brood war.

@DueleR: My arguments are so bad that you haven't said one thing to contradict them. I swear I could empty the antarctic fucking ocean into the chasm of cognitive dissonance you display.

P.S: I love how some moron warned me for something I already clarified to be a glitch in the post below.
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susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 19:27:31
August 25 2011 19:26 GMT
#100
On August 26 2011 04:21 EneMal wrote:
@Chill 1. If you play random, why the fuck would you veto? And playing random already gives you a massive advantage in any vs zerg.
2. What the hell was the point you were trying to make with the post above? That's just a load of random quotes of stuff I've posted.
@Iamke: No...that's the most stupid comment I've ever seen. Before I stopped really laddering, it was an accurate league for me and when i start laddering again and the promotions kick in, it will be once again.

The entire point of this thread is you can't generalize all players in a league, especially cross-regions. I'm currently placed in the same league as protoss's with 10 APM that 1base cannon turtle to stargate.... I wasn't even that bad when I got brood war.

@DueleR: My arguments are so bad that you haven't said one thing to contradict them. I swear I could empty the antarctic fucking ocean into the chasm of cognitive dissonance you display.


Bolded parts:
First, if you don't get this, no one should bother to even converse with you rationally.

In hopes that you do realize what point Chill was trying to make: second, 1 base cannon turtle to stargate is viable in silver. Because opponents dont have the decision-making or mechanics to punish it. Which is why theorycrafting silvers are not appreciated. I main protoss, but I could spinecrawler rush every other game and still keep a zerg account in platinum, you have no excuse. If you're in silver, you're in silver. Accept it, get better.

PS: insulting mods is a great way to get banned. Keep it up!
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