EPTMy Plea To The Starcraft 2 Community - Page 3
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
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ScrubS
Netherlands436 Posts
If so, why are you still on 372 points with 59 games won this season? Assuming you're not really silver league but platinum you should have won at least 65% of your matches. Although, if you would have won 65% of your matches, you would have alot more points. Not only should you have more points because of your higher winrate, but also because you should be matched vs higher leagues which give even more points. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
On August 25 2011 08:35 Breadstick wrote: silver league player calling other people idiots with no understanding of the game sick Dude he spends 20x as much time watching streams as he does playing the game (actually getting good). He probably understands it pretty well. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On August 25 2011 08:38 EneMal wrote: @Emcee No....I am let down from being in EU diamond or masters because my macro isn't good enough. I'm not in EU platinum because I'm not laddering for it. @Blizzard: yes...i'm in silver for a reason...because I'm not laddering to get out of it. My W/L against platinums is over 50%. @TheSubtle: But I'm not a EU silver player....I'm a EU platinum player who will gladly jump from silver into that league officially if you give me a reason to right now. Problem is it's just your word... you claim to be a platinum player yet your rank says silver. What reason would I have to believe you? You could just be a guy inflating his skill level to get more respect on the forums. I already acknowledged that for 50 people who say stuff like you do, 3-4 might be correct. For all I know, you could be one of those 3-4, or you could not. For me personally, though, it's not worth it give all 50 people the benefit of the doubt just because 3 might not be full of shit. Why do that when I could ignore them and simply discuss strategy with people who have already proven themselves capable of playing at a high level? In the long run that's better for me. I can sympathize with you to an extent, but don't blame people for not listening to you when they see you're in silver. If you care that much, just play some ladder games and get to platinum. I got to masters in like 90 games.... | ||
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EneMal
United Kingdom78 Posts
@TheSubtle: What the fuck is your point that it's my word? I bet if I just opened the post by saying that I was a masters player and Didn't say anything else about myself, you would have just accepted it. If you have a EU account, I'll prove it to you. If I wanted to I could just use a friends name if you wanted to look him up and say "yeah thats me." For everything, you have to trust their word, it's irrelevant. @Navil: Can't be bothered to ladder? Because I'd rather look for players of a higher league instead and challenge them? Want to explain the sense in that? | ||
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Breadstick
United States54 Posts
On August 25 2011 08:48 EneMal wrote: @ Breadstick Dumb troll, officially ignored. yes i'm definitely trolling because i'm saying a person in silver league deserves to be in silver league | ||
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Juffalo
United States155 Posts
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
Someone says they are good at Starcraft; I ask to see their rating. This is not difficult to understand. | ||
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EneMal
United Kingdom78 Posts
@Juffalo, I'm not insecure about it though. I wish someone would bet I couldn't get to gold by tommorow, i want the easy money. | ||
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DueSs
United States765 Posts
On August 25 2011 08:51 Gheed wrote: Someone says they are a good painter; I ask to see their paintings. Someone says they are good at Starcraft; I ask to see their rating. This is not difficult to understand. But, I watch TONS of replays of Bob Ross on PBS. I'm a good painter, I just don't paint hardly at all. | ||
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Breadstick
United States54 Posts
On August 25 2011 08:53 EneMal wrote: Gheed, there is a bit difference. Someone says they are good at starcraft, you should ask to see their GAMES. That is the equivilancy of a painter's work. Logic fail on your part. i know this guy ignored me but i want to point out that his analogy would mean you would want to see an artist paint with you watching, when in reality you'd want to see the finished product, just as you'd want to see the starcraft player's league/rating etc | ||
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EneMal
United Kingdom78 Posts
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On August 25 2011 08:48 EneMal wrote: @ Breadstick Dumb troll, officially ignored. @TheSubtle: What the fuck is your point that it's my word? I bet if I just opened the post by saying that I was a masters player and Didn't say anything else about myself, you would have just accepted it. If you have a EU account, I'll prove it to you. If I wanted to I could just use a friends name if you wanted to look him up and say "yeah thats me." For everything, you have to trust their word, it's irrelevant. @Navil: Can't be bothered to ladder? Because I'd rather look for players of a higher league instead and challenge them? Want to explain the sense in that? You're basically complaining that people dismiss your views on strategy because you're in Silver. My point is that unless you get some kind of tangible proof that you're not, they have every right to do so and logically the odds aren't in your favor. How is this hard to understand? | ||
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EneMal
United Kingdom78 Posts
I make about 25% of my post about me to serve as an example and the thread becomes a massive troll fest. What a great fucking community. | ||
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mage36
415 Posts
And really, if you never say your rank and your analysis of some strat or game was on the spot, people would respect your thoughts either way. The only reason some people ask is because it doesn't quite sound right. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
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EneMal
United Kingdom78 Posts
One team has 10 good players and 1 bad player. The other has 10 bad players and 1 good player. Though the first team is better, you can't say that the good player on the second team is worse than the bad player on the first. @Above: like I said...over 50% w/l vs platinums. That's a fact. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12238 Posts
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ApBuLLet
United States604 Posts
Also, here are just a few things I feel that need to be said after reading all of this crap... lol. - A player's "skill" is subjective. It is not a number, nor can it be defined. As an example, IdrA has called HuK "skill-less" many times in the past, yet he is a top GM player in Korea and in the Ro8 in this season's GSL. You may consider someone like CombatEX or PiQLiQ to be a bad player, but at the end of the day they win more ladder games then 99% of people playing StarCraft II. - A player's ladder rating is an exact number and is an exact measurement on a player's ability to win. Your ladder rating DOES mean something because it is based off of a mathematical formula that compares you to everyone you are competing against (i.e. everyone on your server) and ranks you based on your ability to win. I don't think that your ladder rank is completely indicative of a person's skill, and I said that earlier in the thread, but it definitely does have some meaning, and there is no denying that. At the end of the day, if you don't have an excessively huge bonus pool (400+) then I would say that whatever league you are in is fairly indicative of where you should be. However, I also think that lower league players are able to have intelligent thoughts about gameplay as long as they don't place too much weight on their personal experiences playing the game, but rather in the general logic of how the game works. You can't always make informed judgements based on lower league play because there are just too many mistakes that occur on both sides for it to be a reliable foundation to base an argument off of. Edit: On August 25 2011 08:38 EneMal wrote: @TheSubtle: But I'm not a EU silver player....I'm a EU platinum player who will gladly jump from silver into that league officially if you give me a reason to right now. For the sake of this thread, and the validity of your word, go ladder and get into platinum. That way you can prove something to us, and maybe to yourself, so that this conversation can actually go on productively. | ||
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