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Jesushooves
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada553 Posts
August 24 2011 23:33 GMT
#21
I was platinum for a long time, but I didn't think I had the same knowledge of the game as I do now, and I didn't. I know so much more about the game about timings and everything, and my skill level at the time was platinum. Only once I played lots of games did I get better, as do most people.

I never stood by my opinions because I was plat. I am masters now and I don't think that I have the same opinions about the game, so I am glad I didn't speak too loudly about them.

You shouldn't theorycraft until you are at the very least diamond imo...
Lose its good, after will be win.
Breadstick
Profile Joined October 2010
United States54 Posts
August 24 2011 23:34 GMT
#22
btw, theorycrafting is generally an awful thing to do when you're in a low league because your ideas are typically incorrect due to having an incorrect view of the game (or metagame, whatever you'd like to call it) because you're not very skilled
two.watup
Profile Joined March 2011
United States371 Posts
August 24 2011 23:34 GMT
#23
I'm in platinum, and I know I don't theorycraft at a high level.

I make units and attack with them and win half the time.

I'd say focus on that before you expect to be able to contribute to strategic discussions.
Cycle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States300 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:35:35
August 24 2011 23:34 GMT
#24
I used to feel the same way when I was in Silver, and in Gold. Where when I'd play I'd say, "Well damn, I'm 100% sure I play like a Plat/Diamond player."

As I promoted/played against higher league players I really understood how I didn't know anything about the game at those higher levels. For example I'm high diamond, finally playing a couple of master league players, and I'm realizing how gimmicky my play is and how unrefined the builds are.

As douchey as some high league players may seem when they're condescending, they're still speaking from experience.

Regardless, your overall point is still good: ideas about the game should be judged on the merit of the idea, not who said it.

EDIT:
Also something I always tell myself when I feel the pressure to try and promote:
"Remember you bought this game to have fun, not to gloat about your e-penis"
| chKCycle.551 | NA | Master League Random | Checkmate Gaming |
Breadstick
Profile Joined October 2010
United States54 Posts
August 24 2011 23:35 GMT
#25
On August 25 2011 08:33 EneMal wrote:
I'm not doing it just to get aproval by idiots with no understanding of the game.


silver league player calling other people idiots with no understanding of the game

sick
Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:36:29
August 24 2011 23:35 GMT
#26
Good read, I enjoyed it! This might belong in blogs though ^^

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 25 2011 08:35 Breadstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 08:33 EneMal wrote:
I'm not doing it just to get aproval by idiots with no understanding of the game.


silver league player calling other people idiots with no understanding of the game

sick


admit it, you were waiting to say that
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emecee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States222 Posts
August 24 2011 23:35 GMT
#27
On August 25 2011 08:21 EneMal wrote:. I'm currently in European silver, who could easily compete on European platinum ladder and I am let down mostly by my mechanics and being distracted in games from split second decision making

what? so you're saying you're not good enough to be in gold or plantinum because your mechanics suck. how do you think you can compete in the plantinum ladder then?
this thread makes no sense
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
August 24 2011 23:36 GMT
#28
@Breadstick

Didn't you read his OP, he's high plat level, but he doesn't latter to get promoted easily.
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Blizzard_torments_me
Profile Joined February 2010
Romania199 Posts
August 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#29
While some of your points are true like some high diamond players being better than some low master players, 90% of the time the league you are in shows your skill level. And no, you wouldn't probably be able to be in platinum, you are in silver for a reason. Once you will advance into high platinum- diamond lvl you will realize it.
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
August 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#30
On August 25 2011 08:33 EneMal wrote:
I am let down from being higher than platinum by them, not from being higher than silver, where I currently am. If you actually bet money on it, I'd have a reason to go to gold by the end of tonight. But I have no motivation to ladder at the moment, I'm not doing it just to get aproval by idiots with no understanding of the game.

@TheSubtle: Post ignored because you live in canada and play on the AM server and made comments about the EU server and acted like it was the same as the AM one, which proves you didn't read my OP.

@Mage: I'M NOT SAYING MY MECHANICS ARE STOPPING ME FROM BEING IN PLATINUM! OR MY DECISION MAKING! THEY ARE STOPPING ME FROM PLAYING AT HIGHER THAN PLATINUM! THE ONLY THING STOPPING ME FROM BEING IN PLATINUM LEAGUE AT THE FUCKING MOMENT IS THAT I CBA TO LADDER FOR IT

@Kuni: Close positions searing crater. 2gate into 4gate. Scouted them last. There isn't even time to make a quarter of a cycle of units or a fifth of a spine crawler in the rush distance and the natural/main is impossible to defend with spines on that map anyway.

I don't get what you're trying to say. I did read the op. Are you refering to the EU > NA thing? I know that, but the skill discrepancy still isn't big enough for EU Silver to mean something in the NA server. Otherwise I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
August 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#31
Also before you ignore the numerous replies in this thread that disagree with your main point, at least consider for a moment that there are a lot of people disagreeing because you're wrong not because we're all idiots who haven't been where you are.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
EneMal
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:40:32
August 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#32
@Emcee No....I am let down from being in EU diamond or masters because my macro isn't good enough. I'm not in EU platinum because I'm not laddering for it.

@Blizzard: yes...i'm in silver for a reason...because I'm not laddering to get out of it. My W/L against platinums is over 50%.

@TheSubtle: But I'm not a EU silver player....I'm a EU platinum player who will gladly jump from silver into that league officially if you give me a reason to right now.
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Breadstick
Profile Joined October 2010
United States54 Posts
August 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#33
On August 25 2011 08:38 EneMal wrote:
@Emcee No....I am let down from being in EU diamond or masters because my macro isn't good enough. I'm not in EU platinum because I'm not laddering for it.


you're not in platinum because you're a silver league level player
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
August 24 2011 23:40 GMT
#34
They don't let just anyone who speaks English teach an English class. If you were really as good as you purport yourself to be, then go grind out some games and rank up. Anything else is just talk.
emecee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States222 Posts
August 24 2011 23:41 GMT
#35
On August 25 2011 08:38 EneMal wrote:
@Emcee No....I am let down from being in EU diamond or masters because my macro isn't good enough. I'm not in EU platinum because I'm not laddering for it.

@Blizzard: yes...i'm in silver for a reason...because I'm not laddering to get out of it. My W/L against platinums is over 50%.

so you understand higher league players are better than lower league players...
EneMal
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:42:08
August 24 2011 23:41 GMT
#36
No.... I'm not in platinum because I'm not laddering to get into platinum. I'm guessing you're trolling and not actually that stupid.

@emecee No...Overall the higher league is better than the lower league. The players vary for both leagues.
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Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
August 24 2011 23:41 GMT
#37
I am sorry if this sounds like a flame or something, but sometimes I would really like to have a magical pink button next to everyone's nickname on top of their posts and if I click them it mysteriously reveals the age of the person posting. I guess it would save many of us a lot of time bothering to post replies :-P

Again, I am sorry, but it just came to my mind.
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ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:45:13
August 24 2011 23:42 GMT
#38
As a Master's league player (haha, jk!) I do agree with you to some extent. Your league doesn't matter a ton, but it definitely does have SOME weight to it in determining somebody's skill.

I think extra weight is being placed on it by higher level players, especially players who played Brood War, because there are so many people who are new to StarCraft (and thus in lower leagues) that speak as if what they think is fact, when they are blatantly wrong. These people don't understand that they are wrong because they have convinced themselves that they must be good because they are good at Halo, or WoW, or Call of Duty or whatever game they come from.

Also, your ideas are generally formed from your personal experiences, which for most people is largely made up by the games you have played, and when you are playing in lower leagues your experiences are vs. people who are not playing optimally, and you yourself aren't either (or even close to it), so any ideas that come from your personal experiences playing the game are a bit skewed and often times incorrect.

That being said, lower league players are not all idiots and some people do have legitimate thoughts, and although they cannot prove them 100% correct from their own playing experiences, they can use external sources like streams, replays, etc, to base their ideas off of and come up with something sensible, but I find this to be pretty rare.

P.S. EU server may be better in the sense that more professional players come from EU then NA, but overall I have heard from many people that they are basically the same... Whatever league you are in on one server you will probably be in on the other, maybe with just a hundred points or so different. I have not played on the EU server myself but I have many friends who do and they are all about the same rank (mid masters) as they are on NA.
EneMal
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:47:55
August 24 2011 23:43 GMT
#39
@Kuni Of course, age is very similar to leagues. People only need to know it to ad-homenize and it is a general guideline and doesn't tell you anything about a specific person.

To be perfectly honest, I'm 15 but I have fully formed philosophies and political opinions and if you can think of any variety of competition that could genuinely reflect intelligence, I'd be glad to engage you in it. I'm a philosophical vegan, and the most important things to me is music and poetry and any other forms of expressive art. But why would you make it personal? Why would you talk about age on a starcraft post?
Like car insurance?
Breadstick
Profile Joined October 2010
United States54 Posts
August 24 2011 23:43 GMT
#40
On August 25 2011 08:41 EneMal wrote:
No.... I'm not in platinum because I'm not laddering to get into platinum. I'm guessing you're trolling and not actually that stupid.

@emecee No...Overall the higher league is better than the lower league. The players vary for both leagues.


nah, you're in silver because you're a silver league level player
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