• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:55
CET 09:55
KST 17:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational12SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)25Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 [Short Story] The Last GSL
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained
Brood War
General
Which foreign pros are considered the best? [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Gypsy to Korea BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Fantasy's Q&A video
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2352 users

My Plea To The Starcraft 2 Community - Page 2

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Jesushooves
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada553 Posts
August 24 2011 23:33 GMT
#21
I was platinum for a long time, but I didn't think I had the same knowledge of the game as I do now, and I didn't. I know so much more about the game about timings and everything, and my skill level at the time was platinum. Only once I played lots of games did I get better, as do most people.

I never stood by my opinions because I was plat. I am masters now and I don't think that I have the same opinions about the game, so I am glad I didn't speak too loudly about them.

You shouldn't theorycraft until you are at the very least diamond imo...
Lose its good, after will be win.
Breadstick
Profile Joined October 2010
United States54 Posts
August 24 2011 23:34 GMT
#22
btw, theorycrafting is generally an awful thing to do when you're in a low league because your ideas are typically incorrect due to having an incorrect view of the game (or metagame, whatever you'd like to call it) because you're not very skilled
two.watup
Profile Joined March 2011
United States371 Posts
August 24 2011 23:34 GMT
#23
I'm in platinum, and I know I don't theorycraft at a high level.

I make units and attack with them and win half the time.

I'd say focus on that before you expect to be able to contribute to strategic discussions.
Cycle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States300 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:35:35
August 24 2011 23:34 GMT
#24
I used to feel the same way when I was in Silver, and in Gold. Where when I'd play I'd say, "Well damn, I'm 100% sure I play like a Plat/Diamond player."

As I promoted/played against higher league players I really understood how I didn't know anything about the game at those higher levels. For example I'm high diamond, finally playing a couple of master league players, and I'm realizing how gimmicky my play is and how unrefined the builds are.

As douchey as some high league players may seem when they're condescending, they're still speaking from experience.

Regardless, your overall point is still good: ideas about the game should be judged on the merit of the idea, not who said it.

EDIT:
Also something I always tell myself when I feel the pressure to try and promote:
"Remember you bought this game to have fun, not to gloat about your e-penis"
| chKCycle.551 | NA | Master League Random | Checkmate Gaming |
Breadstick
Profile Joined October 2010
United States54 Posts
August 24 2011 23:35 GMT
#25
On August 25 2011 08:33 EneMal wrote:
I'm not doing it just to get aproval by idiots with no understanding of the game.


silver league player calling other people idiots with no understanding of the game

sick
Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:36:29
August 24 2011 23:35 GMT
#26
Good read, I enjoyed it! This might belong in blogs though ^^

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 25 2011 08:35 Breadstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2011 08:33 EneMal wrote:
I'm not doing it just to get aproval by idiots with no understanding of the game.


silver league player calling other people idiots with no understanding of the game

sick


admit it, you were waiting to say that
Intel Dual Core 4400 @ ~2.00GHz / 2046MB RAM / 256 MB ATI Radeon x1300PRO
emecee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States222 Posts
August 24 2011 23:35 GMT
#27
On August 25 2011 08:21 EneMal wrote:. I'm currently in European silver, who could easily compete on European platinum ladder and I am let down mostly by my mechanics and being distracted in games from split second decision making

what? so you're saying you're not good enough to be in gold or plantinum because your mechanics suck. how do you think you can compete in the plantinum ladder then?
this thread makes no sense
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
August 24 2011 23:36 GMT
#28
@Breadstick

Didn't you read his OP, he's high plat level, but he doesn't latter to get promoted easily.
bonus vir semper tiro
Blizzard_torments_me
Profile Joined February 2010
Romania199 Posts
August 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#29
While some of your points are true like some high diamond players being better than some low master players, 90% of the time the league you are in shows your skill level. And no, you wouldn't probably be able to be in platinum, you are in silver for a reason. Once you will advance into high platinum- diamond lvl you will realize it.
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
August 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#30
On August 25 2011 08:33 EneMal wrote:
I am let down from being higher than platinum by them, not from being higher than silver, where I currently am. If you actually bet money on it, I'd have a reason to go to gold by the end of tonight. But I have no motivation to ladder at the moment, I'm not doing it just to get aproval by idiots with no understanding of the game.

@TheSubtle: Post ignored because you live in canada and play on the AM server and made comments about the EU server and acted like it was the same as the AM one, which proves you didn't read my OP.

@Mage: I'M NOT SAYING MY MECHANICS ARE STOPPING ME FROM BEING IN PLATINUM! OR MY DECISION MAKING! THEY ARE STOPPING ME FROM PLAYING AT HIGHER THAN PLATINUM! THE ONLY THING STOPPING ME FROM BEING IN PLATINUM LEAGUE AT THE FUCKING MOMENT IS THAT I CBA TO LADDER FOR IT

@Kuni: Close positions searing crater. 2gate into 4gate. Scouted them last. There isn't even time to make a quarter of a cycle of units or a fifth of a spine crawler in the rush distance and the natural/main is impossible to defend with spines on that map anyway.

I don't get what you're trying to say. I did read the op. Are you refering to the EU > NA thing? I know that, but the skill discrepancy still isn't big enough for EU Silver to mean something in the NA server. Otherwise I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Dodge arrows
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
August 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#31
Also before you ignore the numerous replies in this thread that disagree with your main point, at least consider for a moment that there are a lot of people disagreeing because you're wrong not because we're all idiots who haven't been where you are.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
EneMal
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:40:32
August 24 2011 23:38 GMT
#32
@Emcee No....I am let down from being in EU diamond or masters because my macro isn't good enough. I'm not in EU platinum because I'm not laddering for it.

@Blizzard: yes...i'm in silver for a reason...because I'm not laddering to get out of it. My W/L against platinums is over 50%.

@TheSubtle: But I'm not a EU silver player....I'm a EU platinum player who will gladly jump from silver into that league officially if you give me a reason to right now.
Like car insurance?
Breadstick
Profile Joined October 2010
United States54 Posts
August 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#33
On August 25 2011 08:38 EneMal wrote:
@Emcee No....I am let down from being in EU diamond or masters because my macro isn't good enough. I'm not in EU platinum because I'm not laddering for it.


you're not in platinum because you're a silver league level player
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
August 24 2011 23:40 GMT
#34
They don't let just anyone who speaks English teach an English class. If you were really as good as you purport yourself to be, then go grind out some games and rank up. Anything else is just talk.
emecee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States222 Posts
August 24 2011 23:41 GMT
#35
On August 25 2011 08:38 EneMal wrote:
@Emcee No....I am let down from being in EU diamond or masters because my macro isn't good enough. I'm not in EU platinum because I'm not laddering for it.

@Blizzard: yes...i'm in silver for a reason...because I'm not laddering to get out of it. My W/L against platinums is over 50%.

so you understand higher league players are better than lower league players...
EneMal
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:42:08
August 24 2011 23:41 GMT
#36
No.... I'm not in platinum because I'm not laddering to get into platinum. I'm guessing you're trolling and not actually that stupid.

@emecee No...Overall the higher league is better than the lower league. The players vary for both leagues.
Like car insurance?
Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
August 24 2011 23:41 GMT
#37
I am sorry if this sounds like a flame or something, but sometimes I would really like to have a magical pink button next to everyone's nickname on top of their posts and if I click them it mysteriously reveals the age of the person posting. I guess it would save many of us a lot of time bothering to post replies :-P

Again, I am sorry, but it just came to my mind.
bonus vir semper tiro
ApBuLLet
Profile Joined September 2010
United States604 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:45:13
August 24 2011 23:42 GMT
#38
As a Master's league player (haha, jk!) I do agree with you to some extent. Your league doesn't matter a ton, but it definitely does have SOME weight to it in determining somebody's skill.

I think extra weight is being placed on it by higher level players, especially players who played Brood War, because there are so many people who are new to StarCraft (and thus in lower leagues) that speak as if what they think is fact, when they are blatantly wrong. These people don't understand that they are wrong because they have convinced themselves that they must be good because they are good at Halo, or WoW, or Call of Duty or whatever game they come from.

Also, your ideas are generally formed from your personal experiences, which for most people is largely made up by the games you have played, and when you are playing in lower leagues your experiences are vs. people who are not playing optimally, and you yourself aren't either (or even close to it), so any ideas that come from your personal experiences playing the game are a bit skewed and often times incorrect.

That being said, lower league players are not all idiots and some people do have legitimate thoughts, and although they cannot prove them 100% correct from their own playing experiences, they can use external sources like streams, replays, etc, to base their ideas off of and come up with something sensible, but I find this to be pretty rare.

P.S. EU server may be better in the sense that more professional players come from EU then NA, but overall I have heard from many people that they are basically the same... Whatever league you are in on one server you will probably be in on the other, maybe with just a hundred points or so different. I have not played on the EU server myself but I have many friends who do and they are all about the same rank (mid masters) as they are on NA.
EneMal
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 23:47:55
August 24 2011 23:43 GMT
#39
@Kuni Of course, age is very similar to leagues. People only need to know it to ad-homenize and it is a general guideline and doesn't tell you anything about a specific person.

To be perfectly honest, I'm 15 but I have fully formed philosophies and political opinions and if you can think of any variety of competition that could genuinely reflect intelligence, I'd be glad to engage you in it. I'm a philosophical vegan, and the most important things to me is music and poetry and any other forms of expressive art. But why would you make it personal? Why would you talk about age on a starcraft post?
Like car insurance?
Breadstick
Profile Joined October 2010
United States54 Posts
August 24 2011 23:43 GMT
#40
On August 25 2011 08:41 EneMal wrote:
No.... I'm not in platinum because I'm not laddering to get into platinum. I'm guessing you're trolling and not actually that stupid.

@emecee No...Overall the higher league is better than the lower league. The players vary for both leagues.


nah, you're in silver because you're a silver league level player
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 1486
ggaemo 314
Larva 311
actioN 204
PianO 106
Dewaltoss 80
Mong 63
Mind 51
Shuttle 43
Yoon 29
[ Show more ]
Free 25
Shinee 25
yabsab 23
soO 20
910 20
ToSsGirL 19
Noble 19
ZergMaN 18
Nal_rA 16
GoRush 13
Bale 10
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm96
febbydoto41
League of Legends
JimRising 646
C9.Mang0418
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King104
Other Games
singsing964
Happy180
Sick124
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1071
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1485
Upcoming Events
RongYI Cup
2h 5m
herO vs ShoWTimE
Solar vs Classic
Wardi Open
5h 5m
Monday Night Weeklies
8h 5m
OSC
15h 5m
Replay Cast
1d
RongYI Cup
1d 2h
Clem vs TriGGeR
Maru vs Creator
WardiTV Invitational
1d 5h
Replay Cast
2 days
RongYI Cup
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
HomeStory Cup
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
HomeStory Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
HomeStory Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W6
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.