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On June 29 2011 19:48 wordd wrote: not endorsing drugs but I play on mushrooms sometimes and it makes it so much fun if you are in a good mood.
of course you never win with a magical square of seventy-three engineering bays either right?
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I have three solutions to your fun problem: 1. Start over: - set yourselve on a losing streak... run sc2 in windowed mode - watch a movie and simultaniously click Find Games in SC2 as soon as you have a match quit it and lose... reapeat that until you are back to bronce - start to play with a new race or random, enjoy doing "speacial tactics" that actualy work because you are playing noobs 2. start playing 3v3 (2vs2 puts to much responsibility on your shoulders, and 4v4 feels too chaotic) 3. buy a second account and use it for cheesing or learning a new race
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First of all you don't HAVE to play starcraft2. If playing it is not fun just watch it. If you don't even like watching it then don't, because watching it would make you a muppet that goes with the flow.
There are cerfainly less popular and more fun/more challenging games to play.
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Let me tell you this: Starcraft requires good strategy also micro and macro are the MUST HAVE too.
A friend of mine has quite a similar idea of how "fun" a game is like you. He was a genius playing Cossack 2 (just position and strategy, not much macro or micro). But he sucks so bad at Starcraft 2, reason? He can't macro or micro efficiently. He was good at BW but still placed Bronze in SC2. I told him to practice, which he refused to 1v1 but 3v3. He then got up to Gold 3v3. But then still no fun for him, so he kinda quitted SC2.
What I would suggest you is: 1. find partners, real friends would be better than online friends. 2. find an opening that's versartile to do many stuff. I play Protoss and I enjoy opening with 4 gates (even you're not going all-in or hardcore push, just to scare the opponent to play safe) then continue with some other stuff like DT (which is a hell of fun), Mothership 3 gate (HuK's style), and so on. Have fun in your game, but still play safe.
Legend: always build probes xD
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On June 29 2011 21:00 weltraumMonster wrote: start playing 3v3 (2vs2 puts to much responsibility on your shoulders, and 4v4 feels too chaotic)
That's true, how I view it
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If you get stressed out after games you really have the wrong mentality for 1v1, in team games you can just blame it all on your teammates lol.
My advice would be to play to some good music, relax and try to change the way you view the game, maybe take some drugs like some of the previous posters mentioned xD
If that doesn't work just play team games, custom games or just watch replays. Or maybe this game just isn't for you, you don't HAVE to like this game.
Good luck however you go about it
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I can beat cheeses, but I hate playing against them. I like to play real matches. The problem is that I can't win any games that go past my opening because I just don't have good macro or multitasking yet. But it's not that I don't want any challenge, it's that the game isn't fun for me. It's even less fun because all of my friends are afraid of Starcraft, so I'm flying solo.
haha I agree with you here man, best bet is to thumbs down the small maps or the ones with close spawns. The problem with sc2 ladder is "cheesing" is pretty standard because you can do it and rebound off it pretty easily which is something you couldn't really do in broodwar.
I don't know why your friends are afraid of starcraft 2, the (only) thing it does better than broodwar is make it more accessible to the masses imo.
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you should definately let go of your connection to your rank (yeah i read the OP)- focusing too much on that takes the fun out straight up - play FOR fun, because you enjoy jamming upgraded marines into medivacs and sending them to enemy cliffsides or spamming banelings so you can bust light armies with ease.. whatever teh case may be, play to play (not to be grandmaster#1 or "the best")
ive never attained 400 apm (more like 150-250 tops tops ever) and i am on two teams (2s,3s) that play at masters level for this reason..(below)
playing the game is fun --> i play more because i have fun --> i get way better because i play more
Around my 1/3 SC2 tenure, i switched to RANDOM (oh noez!!) for fun, as well as practice learning opposition end of the game, and after around 300 random matches, i finally settled with ZERG (started as TERRAN) and this whole journey thru the races, never actually stopping in protoss, climbing and fighting and making teams, all centered around playing b/c we like to play, is like a self-fueling jet engine.
what i mean to say is, if you can let go of thinking of the opponent too much, or your rankins too much, and just focus on the game itself, not only will you improve, but you will have more fun in your success, and learn more from your losses, which arent the end of the world (im just now getting to around 60/40)
day[9] <------ godly free advice nonstop (and its funny) streams [gsl tsl homebrew] <------ pros making it happen (WATCH THIS)
---and if i am saying something dirty about someone important, sry--- shokz guide and other guides like that X-->avoid<--X filled with step by step 'cheese plays' like
"how to go straight voids in 6m" "11Rax million marine tactic" and seem crap to me
EDIT: and as someone said while i was posting, join Looking for Team channel or msg ppl after game who worked well together with you and make sc2 friends list (put it to use rather)
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I mentally tell myself to work on certain things some days. I'm mid masters but I still need to work on mechanics and I think I'm going to have to ignore ladder rating for a while until I can smooth things out.
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I play purely for fun, and I play random.
This means I usually have 2-3 matchups I absolutely suck at comparatively, and 2-3 matchups I'm way better at than the skill level I'm placed at.
And I sum up my fun with three words: Nukes, Carriers, Nydus.
Seriously, the most fun I have is to try to figure out how to make those work as cornerstones of my my standard strategies in all matchups.
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On June 29 2011 21:42 imbecile wrote: I play purely for fun, and I play random.
This means I usually have 2-3 matchups I absolutely suck at comparatively, and 2-3 matchups I'm way better at than the skill level I'm placed at.
And I sum up my fun with three words: Nukes, Carriers, Nydus.
Seriously, the most fun I have is to try to figure out how to make those work as cornerstones of my my standard strategies in all matchups.
i love when you make nukes or carriers your central strategy.. <3
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I have been in this boat for a long time.. wanting to play more but after about 5 games I get bored.. some say its because I play protoss and have to go about the same BO every time. Well I have tryed to do different BOs with toss and with great success but still I find the gaming to be boring after 5 games. SO i still dont have the answer and its sad because if I could get over the hump of getting bored.. I feel that I would be a great player.
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I suggest joining a clan. The one I am in (eXe) gave me a load of friends to play with, who won't cheese the crap out of me, who are bother better and worse than me, and some guys who even struggle with the same things I do. We sit on our dedicated TS server, play a few games and have a good time.
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Stop caring about ladder, it's going to be a lot more fun if you do.
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On June 29 2011 18:45 Talin wrote: I don't think there are such players that don't ever get frustrated, but to make up for that and to make your time playing Starcraft rewarding, you need to love and enjoy the game on a fundamental level. Unlike many other games, Starcraft isn't addictive - you'll only get into it if you really really like it.
I agree with much of what you said, except the part where Starcraft isn't addictive, I beg to differ on a grand scale .
I suck by any definition (gold player), and get frustrated to the point I would have quit another game. But I CAN'T. ijustcant...
I do enjoy the process for the most part. Some people (most) learn best through failure and frustration, and that journey is fun for me. I'm nearly 40 now and the process of learning a young mans game and seeing how I stack up against these young wippersnappers is fun.
To the OP: deep breaths man, the game is fun if you let it be. You will always be able to find faults with your game. Analyze those faults when you are in a good frame of mind, not when your on tilt. Be sure to pick out things you do RIGHT too, and don't be too consumed with the negative.
But, if you can't have fun with the game, then as Talin wrote, the game may not be for you...
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Not being able to see your MMR is personally what makes me lose motivation the most - if you are one of those people who are 'high' in your league (whether bronze or diamond) being stuck forever on the feeling that you are getting promoted soon just sucks. You are already top of your division/league, not seeing that glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel is demoralizing, because you aren't sure if your wins are showing improvement in your skills (since you could just be beating/losing to the same levels of players over and over). Just piling on points gets old fast =/
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Hey all,
i'm a master player and as the OP i can get quite frustrated when i loose, especially to cheese.
So here's a bad advice but i'll give it anyway because it helped me:
-Don't say gl hf, don't say gg: to be manner in word does create an expectation to a manner game without cheese. You'll be often disappointed in that matter
- if the guy cheese you and win, flame him and tell him he needs to learn to play (even if you need it more than him, it doesn't matter)
-if he cheeses you and lose, just laugh at him and flame, you'll enjoy your win even more.
-if the game was even and you lose/win, just don't say anything because it's good either way.
I used to be manner and i just couldn't play more than 3 game a day, now my limit is up to 10.
I use to waste the time of the cheeser as well, like don't leaving the game until my last building is destroyed etc etc.
I'm aware it's not the nicest thing to do to other person, but being kind is overrated anyway. Anger management take whatever it takes !
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The thing I enjoy is losing and my improvement. I dislike constant all the time perma loss streaks (which it sounds like you are on) but in the end the Bnet system will find people at your skill level and youll win a few. Then youll improve and you will win more.
So thats how the game works, and if you can stick out the MMR balancing phase you will be fine don't worry about it. Then you can enjoy the game by winning games on ladder here and there
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On June 29 2011 22:24 aXa wrote: Hey all,
i'm a master player and as the OP i can get quite frustrated when i loose, especially to cheese.
So here's a bad advice but i'll give it anyway because it helped me:
-Don't say gl hf, don't say gg: to be manner in word does create an expectation to a manner game without cheese. You'll be often disappointed in that matter
- if the guy cheese you and win, flame him and tell him he needs to learn to play (even if you need it more than him, it doesn't matter)
-if he cheeses you and lose, just laugh at him and flame, you'll enjoy your win even more.
-if the game was even and you lose/win, just don't say anything because it's good either way.
I used to be manner and i just couldn't play more than 3 game a day, now my limit is up to 10.
I use to waste the time of the cheeser as well, like don't leaving the game until my last building is destroyed etc etc.
I'm aware it's not the nicest thing to do to other person, but being kind is overrated anyway. Anger management take whatever it takes !
How does that help make the game for fun?
IMO if you get bored of 1v1 cheese, play customs. I personally like 1v1 obvs maps, phantom mode and sotls.
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On June 29 2011 22:24 aXa wrote: Hey all,
i'm a master player and as the OP i can get quite frustrated when i loose, especially to cheese.
So here's a bad advice but i'll give it anyway because it helped me:
-Don't say gl hf, don't say gg: to be manner in word does create an expectation to a manner game without cheese. You'll be often disappointed in that matter
- if the guy cheese you and win, flame him and tell him he needs to learn to play (even if you need it more than him, it doesn't matter)
-if he cheeses you and lose, just laugh at him and flame, you'll enjoy your win even more.
-if the game was even and you lose/win, just don't say anything because it's good either way.
I used to be manner and i just couldn't play more than 3 game a day, now my limit is up to 10.
I use to waste the time of the cheeser as well, like don't leaving the game until my last building is destroyed etc etc.
I'm aware it's not the nicest thing to do to other person, but being kind is overrated anyway. Anger management take whatever it takes !
Haha yeah I agree, flame is a little necessary to let off steam and just to relax. We all need to let out our inner troll sometimes(most of you do it on TL.net, but I do it on ladder )
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I don't know about you op but when i started playing brood war i was losing ALL THE TIME. But i didn't give a fuck cuz the game was fun, its just the way it is, it was (is) also very hard game and challenging game, and i liked that. I liked the game so much, losing was not a problem and watching progamers was and still is a pure inspiration. If you don't find the game fun, if you find your rank bad, if you get driven off because of 7 losing streak dude, cmon, you can't succeed in sc2 in instant if you are total noob from the beginning. If you don't find a game fun, then well, maybe its not the game for you? Or maybe you should try playing brood war, and you will see how hard it is, and losing will be natural because everyone is just so damn good.
There is no recipe for enjoying the game while you suck at it imo. You just have to find it fun, if you don't, then the game is not for you i think...
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