EPTStarcraft is not fun. How do I make it fun? - Page 6
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wordd
Australia190 Posts
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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Saiton
Sweden467 Posts
On June 29 2011 14:45 ReaperX wrote: Definitely get practice partners. StarCraft is fun, but I actually suggest you demote yourself to Silver by leaving games. How is playing meatheads that he's already outskilling any fun? If he can't find the game fun by practicing/laddering or even playing teamgames then perhaps Starcraft 2 is not the game for him. | ||
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davsp
Philippines62 Posts
Maybe its just your fear of losing, or the thought that your opponent didn't deserve to win that's holding you back. Lighten up a bit. Just remember that its a win/win after every game that you play - if you lose, you learn; if you win... well, you win. | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
you must feel it , there are manygood other games , some ppl play sc2 some play COD or other games  | ||
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MERLIN.
Canada546 Posts
On June 29 2011 14:32 DesertedPanda wrote: Short Story: I'm new, I suck and I was placed in platinum because I can beat a cheese. Now I just lose a bunch, and the game is not fun at all for me. How do you enjoy the game while learning essential skills? Key point: I want to have fun. Spending 6 hours a day practicing macro against a very easy computer so I can have fun a month or so down the road is not my idea of fun now. Long Story: I have had Starcraft for a very long time (since BW), but I just recently decided to start multiplayer. I got sick of rocks in practice league, so I decided to work on a solid opening and macro and then jump into some real games. I lost one of my placement matches to a legitimate player. I won the other four because they cheesed and my solid opening saved me. To my simultaneous surprise and dismay, I was in platinum. I can beat cheeses, but I hate playing against them. I like to play real matches. The problem is that I can't win any games that go past my opening because I just don't have good macro or multitasking yet. But it's not that I don't want any challenge, it's that the game isn't fun for me. It's even less fun because all of my friends are afraid of Starcraft, so I'm flying solo. I am so sick of losing every single game. I don't feel like I'm improving very much at all when I prolong a game by building a futile army, but at the same time I don't want to just give up every time my macro falls apart. Sure, practicing would help me stay in platinum eventually, but I started multiplayer because I just want to have fun now. Is there any way to enjoy the game while learning the ropes? I would really like any suggestions you have. Not just legit suggestions like "practice your macro with a buddy" or "Develop your own build order". There are no stupid answers, because I want silly, fun things to do. If you think I should play Toss and spell words with my zealots until I'm in bronze league, I'll try it. Edit: My additional information got lost in a sea of responses, so here are two key points I want to add. 1. My friends did not buy Starcraft and then become scared. They just ARE scared. They all play console exclusively, as in I suggest a PC game and they scoff and go back to codbops. Starcraft is something that they never want to get in to, because all they think about is 400APM and losing to Koreans (obviously the only people who play Starcraft). I'm not giving up, but I literally do not know a single person who plays. Once again, I request proxy friends/2v2/3v3/4v4 partners if you are willing. 2. I am not proud of being the worst Platinum Starcraft player (until the placement system screws over the next one). The silver leaguer that beat me a while ago wouldn't stop sending me messages about how awful I am at this game. I'm sorry, but telling me to swallow my pride does not help me. Allow me to say that again. I am not proud of making it into platinum. My 7 loss streak will attest to that. Telling me that I need to let go of my connection to my rank will not benefit me, because no connection is there. If you have legit suggestions, carry on. If this is all you have to say to me, your concerns have been addressed. Thank you for your time. play team games, 3v3 would be probably what your aiming for, untill you can get a handle on things. They are always fun and dont require much in the way of skill. | ||
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DesertedPanda
United States10 Posts
On June 29 2011 18:45 Talin wrote: You know, similar threads pop up every once in a while, and my first thought is always to wonder why are you (the OP, or anyone really) playing Starcraft? The last thing I want is to discourage anyone from playing the game, and I'm only writing this after reading through many similar threads so far and I see so many people being so frustrated with the game. But this is my honest opinion - you NEED to enjoy the activity of actually playing the game and thinking about the game, regardless of the skill level, opponents or results. If you don't just enjoy playing, then it might not be your thing. I have owned BW for about 7 years. I did/do not play that often because I was/am busy with a ton of things and I don't exclusively play Starcraft because I have to play alone. I bought SC2 after it had been out for a few months because I liked the story and gameplay and wanted to continue it. I also really wanted to get back into in-depth RTS games because the only thing I had recently done multiplayer on was Halo Wars (console-only friends ftl). Plus it doesn't require a subscription and I had a computer that could run it. That always helps too. I had a great time in the campaign (played it between class or when I was out of town or stuck somewhere) and I liked beating the AI. I was super excited when I finally beat the very hard AI for the first time, or when I got some "impossible" achievement like finishing all the challenges on gold. Put simply, I like this game. I like controlling a bunch of units, I like tactics, and I like the whole economy, expand, turf war sort of feel. I'm not good at doing most of those things against another person, but I like the concept and I see it as having the potential for being fun. I am not frustrated with the game. I'm frustrated with me. Blizzard knows what they're doing, and they do it well. I on the other hand am borderline incompetent. Example: I lost to DT today. That doesn't mean they're imba, that means I'm an idiot and didn't get detection. I was, however, frustrated with the state of my experience after placement. I didn't know why I ended up platinum, and I didn't know how to fix the problem (I was of the impression that people who had only played 6 games could never be considered for anything higher than gold). I did some googling and used my brain a little bit, and between the two I figured that I was going to be in for a pretty rocky experience in Starcraft for awhile. My hypothesis was confirmed upon being decimated multiple games in a row by experienced players. I knew that I wanted to get better at the game, but I also knew that I was going to get tired of nonstop one-sided games pretty quick. I also knew that I didn't have hours to devote to the game, but that I wanted to see if I could enjoy the multiplayer without being a super pro. The reason that I said I 'was' frustrated is that I have tried a lot of the suggestions that I have gotten from this thread. I have now race switched to Protoss. This has not improved my W/L ratio but I've had a great time roasting marines with colossi (PAYBACK). I met a silver leaguer who was willing to sacrifice many a probe to continue the conversation we started at the beginning of the game. I'm looking for a team partner. I played some practice matches with a new buddy. I played an hour and a half ladder game because I could. I went from wanting to throw my keyboard at the wall to having a great time. Sorry, but you went a little overboard with the ol' assumptions there. As of right now, I'm a statistically worse player compared when I started but the game is much more fun. Side note: Next time someone has a concern about the game, I would recommend not telling them they'll never enjoy it. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
Being curious, not linking a win to your ego, actually, enjoying SC2 is all about letting go of your ego, which is why I love sc2 so much. SC2 is a "fight" against you, more then it is an opponent. Let me give a quick example how my mind goes: I just want to do my best, and I focus on being relaxed and it's not important if I win or lose, really its not, you only need to win yourself over. I pick a few things I want to achieve in a match, like I want to drone hard, and rather die to overdroning, then to having too much larva caused by indecisions. I would also advice not to look too much at SC2 streams, GSL etc. It only causes you to try to do what the pros do, and then be greatly disappointed by your lack of skill. Admit that you suck, and work on one thing at a time, and be proud of that when you see it in a replay, wheter you lose or win. | ||
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Dailyleaf
Netherlands10 Posts
Although its fun, it doesnt help you get the fun back into 1v1 games, because its completely different. What I enjoy is playing KOTH Metalopolis Obs on Europe, NA surely will have a similar map. You watch and get to play people of all different leagues. And while you watch you can discus the game with others. If you lose a game you can ask others what your biggest mistakes were. I like that a lot better than watching my own 1v1 replays. | ||
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edc
United States666 Posts
 . Also try going off-race in customs. | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
Right now I don't ladder because more ladder = crapper stats. Sad but true. Theres a reason why casual games are sooo popular, having every game ranked does not appeal to casual players at all. | ||
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DesertedPanda
United States10 Posts
On June 29 2011 20:04 crappen wrote: I would also advice not to look too much at SC2 streams, GSL etc. It only causes you to try to do what the pros do, and then be greatly disappointed by your lack of skill. Admit that you suck, and work on one thing at a time, and be proud of that when you see it in a replay, wheter you lose or win. You might also be hoping that I didn't notice you give me a summary of Day9's advice | ||
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ImDrizzt
Norway427 Posts
Knowing that, and not really being affected by losing, becoming aware of it should help a great deal. This part here "I can beat cheeses, but I hate playing against them. I like to play real matches. The problem is that I can't win any games that go past my opening because I just don't have good macro or multitasking yet. " Is you bullshitting yourself, rationalizing (we as humans like to do that a lot). You beat some extremly bad cheeses, I'm high rated Masters, and my biggest problem is strong cheeses, but like irl cheese, in sc2 they also come in all forms, and are only as good as the player executing them. Cheese are a huge part of the game, an in general they are easier to execute than to defend if done properly. If you "don't like cheeses" that's just a rule you made up and won't really help you. Good way to get better is using monetary goals, not "i have to win" just learn to love to try shit, make only blink stalkers, every game, and you'll get a better feel for things, try to never stop making workers, ever. When you play a game, you feel uve lost, then focus only on microing, or surviving at silly odds. Some people just have the drive to improve get better learn, and ain't miserable at the plateu, some "hate" it and so used to "instant gratification" they make excuses, and only "want to have fun" which is a shame for them. My 2 cents | ||
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DesertedPanda
United States10 Posts
On June 29 2011 20:06 edc wrote: I enjoy Starcraft for many reasons, but the primary reason is winning. That doesn't mean when I lose I don't have fun. I recommend you play custom and team games to loosen up, especially when you are on a losing streak as you are now. I'm assuming that you hate cheese, but if you want some early excitement and possibly ridiculous games, try it once in a while. Cannon rushing and proxy double-Gateway are good for Protoss, 6-pool and worker rush is good for Zerg, and 2-rax all-in and Planetary Fortress rush are all good . Also try going off-race in customs.I'll give cheese a chance every once in awhile, but I do like to play macro games just because I feel like less of a jerk. And possibly like less of a noob, though that's really just an illusion. | ||
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leviathan20
United Kingdom193 Posts
Day9 Daily 269 - How to get into SC2 It has some good ideas about how to make playing SC2 more fun while learning at the same time. What you want is a practice regime that lets you improve without being as repetitive and monotonous as simply "practice macro, macro, macro" for hundreds of games. You need to mix it up a bit with some teamgames, playing against friends you meet online, doing crazy strats sometimes, etc. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
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L4hlborg
Finland34 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On June 29 2011 20:16 TheSubtleArt wrote: Being able to take your losses well is the most important thing in my opinion. This. I don't really care if my friends see what league I'm in or if my match history shows a slump... but every single loss feels like a punch in my face, especially if I don't find my opponent worthy of the win, which is common since I'm just playing platinum players and they often do horrible mistakes which I fail to punish. It has pretty much stopped me from playing ladder even though I find 1v1 to be the only really enjoyable mode (in team games, I can blame losses on others... but what's the point, it's still a loss and what I want to do is win). | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
But it's more likely that SCII just isn't your cup of tea. | ||
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