EPTPvP is going to change in the next Patch ! - Page 19
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Avenok
United States34 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:27 Zaros wrote: I like the idea of making gateways better but i dont like the idea of making warpgates worse, also your not going to really get more units with gateways in the early game seeing as your economy should be allocated properly and you wont be able to afford extra units without reworking the oppenings completely. I don't think they'd be that much worse, but warpgate cheese would become gradually less effective over time as a defender's gateway unit cycles would be a few seconds more ahead every time. | ||
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Samhax
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:33 Avenok wrote: I think they should move warpgate technology to the Twilight Council. As a Protoss you don't NEED to have the upgrade that early in the game, unless your rushing or cheesing. When it comes to defending [staying alive against early pressure] Protoss can just build their units out of the Gateway at the beginning of the game [You still have chronoboost for making units faster]. If warpgate is moved to the Twilight Council it'll force Protoss to make a decision when to get their warpgate upgrade, right now it's just kind of a "freeby" upgrade that lends itself to cheesy builds especially in PvP. I like that, it might make the 6-gate a bit weaker too | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:33 Avenok wrote: I think they should move warpgate technology to the Twilight Council. As a Protoss you don't NEED to have the upgrade that early in the game, unless your rushing or cheesing. When it comes to defending [staying alive against early pressure] Protoss can just build their units out of the Gateway at the beginning of the game [You still have chronoboost for making units faster]. If warpgate is moved to the Twilight Council it'll force Protoss to make a decision when to get their warpgate upgrade, right now it's just kind of a "freeby" upgrade that lends itself to cheesy builds especially in PvP. That is a terrible idea. that would just make protoss, terran wish shiny units. I think an easier solution would be to nerf chronoboost research time. to maybe 50% of what it is now so it couldnt be 40 seconds off and only 20. | ||
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Vessel
United States214 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:33 Avenok wrote: I think they should move warpgate technology to the Twilight Council. As a Protoss you don't NEED to have the upgrade that early in the game, unless your rushing or cheesing. When it comes to defending [staying alive against early pressure] Protoss can just build their units out of the Gateway at the beginning of the game [You still have chronoboost for making units faster]. If warpgate is moved to the Twilight Council it'll force Protoss to make a decision when to get their warpgate upgrade, right now it's just kind of a "freeby" upgrade that lends itself to cheesy builds especially in PvP. i think some version of this might be a better way to go as well. not sure i like the idea of gateways warping in faster than warpgates. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
My advice to blizzard if they want to fix PvP, just dont let pylons warp in on ramps and nerf the collosus and buff other protoss areas. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
Now that would be awesome to watch. | ||
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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jombeeno
United States47 Posts
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Deja Thoris
South Africa646 Posts
Bonus points to them if they give it even more variety than a colossus race too. | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:38 raf3776 wrote: That is a terrible idea. that would just make protoss, terran wish shiny units. I think an easier solution would be to nerf chronoboost research time. to maybe 50% of what it is now so it couldnt be 40 seconds off and only 20. You never played Brood War then? | ||
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PanzerKing
United States483 Posts
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Pirat6662001
Russian Federation949 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:43 Sanguinarius wrote: Thats very interesting, Some pros might actually stop using warpgates if gateways build a bit faster. Now that would be awesome to watch. It'll be interesting to say the least, having to choose between faster building units or instant reinforcements | ||
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TrANCE,
301 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:32 Saechiis wrote: In beta mech was standard in TvP, until tanks got nerfed twice, try again. Also, plenty of Terrans are playing mech or biomech nowadays, making your rant sound pretty uninformed. Siege Tanks was more standard in every mu when they was ridiculously powerful whats your point? try again Lol what level do you play at where a Terran goes Pure meck TvP this is probley the worst Match up to go pure meck which makes you pretty uninformed. Bio/meck fair enough I've seen the upward trend of this lately | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
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TimeSpiral
United States1010 Posts
I've always felt that something was off about Warpgates. But, if anything, PvP is a clear-cut example of how the race is fundamentally flawed. If Pros will gravitate towards the most OP strategies most of time and we see a matchup where it is 99.9% 4 Warpgate attack into either Blink Stalker or Colossus then it seems pretty obvious that something is up. It never made sense to me that Warpgates reduced build-time, front-loaded the purchasing process, AND eliminated walking distance (with the investment of a single pylon/warp prism). It's just too good. There is almost no risk in opening with a big warpgate attack and we've seen time and time again - a world-class player going up against an under-dog. The under-dog is getting crushed and says, "wow, I really need to take a game off this guy," and busts out a four warpgate attack and makes the world-class player look like a Platinum level scrub. Sure, Blizzard is saying they are making this change for PvP, but PvP is just the quintessential example of what is wrong with Protoss right now. Any change will have an obvious and dramatic affect on the game. Hopefully it is for the better and not some ridiculously inconsequential nerf/buff. I'm all for the redesigning of the Warpgate. Good luck, Blizzard. Good luck. | ||
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