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And ironically, you can buy fake meat made from soya beans.
Unfortunately, I can't speak to how vegan the inventor of such a wonder was.
Vegetarian/Vegan Thread - Page 13
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Robstickle
Great Britain406 Posts
And ironically, you can buy fake meat made from soya beans. Unfortunately, I can't speak to how vegan the inventor of such a wonder was. | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On April 12 2011 15:24 frogurt wrote: Why!? You should definitely give it another whirl. Being a Singaporean vegetarian is pretty challenging.....especially when most of the cuisines there have meat (in one form or another, does not have to be actual meat, could even be a soup base such as pork, chicken, fish) and the best tasting dishes are meat based (eg. Chicken rice, prata, Nasi biryani, laksa). Of course, it isn't all lost hope. Alot of Coffee shops nowadays tend to have at least one vegetarian store. But then for both meat eater and veges.....there's always durians | ||
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Causlicious
Germany127 Posts
feels good to see more people on tl with the same taste  | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 20:52 Biane wrote: Being a Singaporean vegetarian is pretty challenging.....especially when most of the cuisines there have meat (in one form or another, does not have to be actual meat, could even be a soup base such as pork, chicken, fish) and the best tasting dishes are meat based (eg. Chicken rice, prata, Nasi biryani, laksa). Of course, it isn't all lost hope. Alot of Coffee shops nowadays tend to have at least one vegetarian store. But then for both meat eater and veges.....there's always durians Yeah thats true. I'm going to indonesia to visit my grandparents soon so i'm dreading finding food over there. | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/XuPyx.jpg) I eat everything, but my wife is a vegetarian. She has no problem with me eating meat, fortunately. Personally I think that I love meat far too much to make the swap; I adore all the meats of the rainbow. Sticky ribs, sausages, chicken wings, beef, bacon, fish, crustaceans... No problems at home, but we've run into.... "difficulties" eating out at restaurants. I wouldn't have noticed if it weren't for her, but most restaurants have a truly awful number of vegetarian choices. It's surprising how baised most places are towards meat dishes; often there's only a tiny handful of options to choose from. I'm glad we're in the UK and not the US though, as it was even worse when we were over there - you US guys really hate giving veggie options  I tried going veggie once or twice for a fortnight or so, but I just got bored with what I was eating and found myself lusting after a rack of ribs or some sausages or something. I may have unwittingly gone longer without eating meat and not noticed it, but when you CAN'T eat meat it then becomes the forbidden fruit. Instead I'm simply making sure I get all my meat from responsible suppliers who treat their animals well. A big thumbs up to those of you who LIKE eating meat but have managed to cut it out of their diets (you get no cookie if you didn't like meat in the first place  ) | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
![[image loading]](http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1263/648415029_2fd5861f60.jpg) Dal is really cheap, just red lentils, onions, tumeric, curry powder (other spices work and will probably do better) garlic, oil, and rice. It is loaded with protein, fiber, and contains little fat. Unlike many western meals where the source of taste comes from salt, sugar, or fats, lots of Indian meals source of taste comes from the spices which has little nutritional value (thought it yields some other excellent benefits) but it takes the very bland, nutritious beans and turns it into a tasty meal. I use to make this for my parents friends who wanted help with dieting. Money well earned for such a simple meal. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
Strict Hindus and Buddhists are vegetarians so there are better choices if you know how to cook certain Indian dishes like above or even certain Chinese dishes. It's certainly easier to be an Indian vegetarian with the wealth of tasty dishes they have. | ||
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pgmcnerney
United States34 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On April 13 2011 01:29 Hairy wrote: I loved this pic when I found it, I hope others find it amusing too: I eat everything, but my wife is a vegetarian. She has no problem with me eating meat, fortunately. Personally I think that I love meat far too much to make the swap; I adore all the meats of the rainbow. Sticky ribs, sausages, chicken wings, beef, bacon, fish, crustaceans... No problems at home, but we've run into.... "difficulties" eating out at restaurants. I wouldn't have noticed if it weren't for her, but most restaurants have a truly awful number of vegetarian choices. It's surprising how baised most places are towards meat dishes; often there's only a tiny handful of options to choose from. I'm glad we're in the UK and not the US though, as it was even worse when we were over there - you US guys really hate giving veggie options I tried going veggie once or twice for a fortnight or so, but I just got bored with what I was eating and found myself lusting after a rack of ribs or some sausages or something. I may have unwittingly gone longer without eating meat and not noticed it, but when you CAN'T eat meat it then becomes the forbidden fruit. Instead I'm simply making sure I get all my meat from responsible suppliers who treat their animals well. A big thumbs up to those of you who LIKE eating meat but have managed to cut it out of their diets (you get no cookie if you didn't like meat in the first place )My mother is vegetarian, also it's the buddhist type vegetarian which means vegetarian -scallions,leeks,and I believe onions I think....w/e strong smelling vegetables. LOL it was pretty tough on me making meal plans in the beginning but eventually it's not that bad. I eat way too little vegetable and fruits though so I don't mind changing my ratio to something more prefereable hahaha. | ||
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Pixilated
United States82 Posts
On April 13 2011 01:29 Hairy wrote: ...I'm glad we're in the UK and not the US though, as it was even worse when we were over there - you US guys really hate giving veggie options This is so true. I'm a veggie in the US, and I'm really thankful that I live in a pretty progressive area of the Northwest, because the restaurants in my area are generally good about having at least something for me to eat, but if I go outside of my specific area I'm basically SOL at most restaurants. :s | ||
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Issor
United States870 Posts
While I'm home I also do most of the cooking so while they dictate the meals I'm the one that actually cooks them. I have no issues cooking meats and will, even if I'm not eating it, taste it as any cook should. While I'm at school, though, I am a mostly vegetarian. I will eat meat maybe once every two months. I ate meat nearly every day for nearly every meal for the first 18 meals of my life. Becoming a (mostly) vegetarian has not been difficult, and I find myself feeling generally better as well. Try it out if you're thinking about it. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On April 13 2011 04:37 andrewlt wrote: I have a cousin here in the US who works with a lot of vegetarians (he is in biological research). It's difficult because choices for vegetarians are mostly salads and pasta, which get tiring and monotonous after a while. Many just can't keep it up. This seems like a quite misinformed, yet stereotypical view on a vegetarian's diet. Though you're right about vegetarians enjoying a wider variety of "non-american" meals. I remember when I lived in California there was this great Vegetarian Chinese restaurant. Over 50 choices - and ALL vegetarian or vegan! | ||
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Brotkrumen
Germany193 Posts
What do you vegetarians weight and what is your height? Did your doctor ever say anything regarding health? | ||
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FuDDx
United States5018 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:34 Brotkrumen wrote: As my question wasn't noticed: What do you vegetarians weigh and what is your height? Did your doctor ever say anything regarding health? Been Vegi for about 18 years (since I was 16 ) Both of our children a Girl 11 years old and a boy 4 years old have been vegi all their lifes I am about 5 foot 8 inches tall Im around 155-165 lbs My wife has a Masters in nutritional sciences, she stopped her doctoral work less than a year from getting her PHD. I state that just to say I follow her advice when it comes to eating right and getting what my kids and I need. | ||
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Brotkrumen
Germany193 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:51 FuDDx wrote: Been Vegi for about 18 years (since I was 16 ) Both of our children a Girl 11 years old and a boy 4 years old have been vegi all their lifes I am about 5 foot 8 inches tall Im around 155-165 lbs My wife has a Masters in nutritional sciences, she stopped her doctoral work less than a year from getting her PHD. I state that just to say I follow her advice when it comes to eating right and getting what my kids and I need. Sounds good. What height are your parents, if I may ask? | ||
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Freak705
Canada231 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:34 Brotkrumen wrote: As my question wasn't noticed: What do you vegetarians weight and what is your height? Did your doctor ever say anything regarding health? Vegetarian for about almost 2 years now, 5'10", ~160 lbs I became vegetarian the day I moved out to go to university, and for the first month I dropped a little weight. Then I started partying (ie drinking) on a fairly regular basis, and gained it all back haha. And right now, with exams, my diet has been nearly entirely pizza and energy drinks, so I've got my work cut out for me when I go back home at the end of the month.. Interestingly enough, I haven't really had a check-up or anything since becoming vegetarian. However, I donate blood on a pretty regular basis, and last time they tested my blood iron I had a higher iron content than my meat-eating friends. | ||
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
Anyway, she never tried to persuade me to be a vegetarian, and I never tried to persuade her to eat meat. Then one day, out of the blue, she decided that she didn't want to be a vegetarian anymore, and to this day couldn't be happier with that decision. Like I said previously in this thread, I really respect vegetarians/vegans for their decision. A lot of them don't act like it's difficult to entirely avoid meat products but I don't buy it one bit. It would be so hard! I can't even imagine it. Maybe I'm just a picky eater ^^ My opinion is, we certainly exploit the animals we breed, raise, and kill to eat. Is this unethical? Perhaps. But I don't think it's as unethical as a lot of vegans/vegetarians make it out to be. It sucks that profit has induced radical change in modern farming communities to cut expenses which generally creates horrible living conditions for the animals. I wish there was some regulation in that regard. But "good" farms exist, where cattle are raised fairly well. My grandpa had an organic farm where he raised 30 or so cattle at a time and they all grazed pastures every single day, and man were they delicious. I think non-vegetarianism can be conducted ethically, and even when it's not conducted ethically, well at least the victims aren't humans. (Pretty much a cop-out argument, I know) | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 12 2011 20:13 VIB wrote: I'm one of those who keep trying to become vegetarian but fails. Nothing to do with the taste, vegetarian food is awesome. The big problem is that it's hard as hell to make/buy good vegetarian food compared to unhealthy stuff. It's 10x easier to just throw a beef in the pan with olive oil and some simple spices than it is to try to cook one of those awesome indian curry filled vegetables that I don't even know the name of. I've been cooking for over an year, and found it's a general rule that making unhealthy food is just easy. Cooking stuff that tastes awesome but is unhealth is ridiculously easy, anyone can do it. Cooking stuff that is just healthy, but doesn't taste great, that is easy too. The problem is trying to cook stuff that is both healthy and taste good. It's too hard and time consuming. The real good vegetarian meals have like 10 or 15 spices to it. It's hard to get it right. I do avoid meat as much as I can. But I with sometimes I wish didn't get lazy and just fry a steak because it's easier. Just like the one I just made yesterday for today's lunch  Any tips for people trying to cook simple vegetarian dishes that both taste great and are just as easy to make as frying a steak? ^^ For the taste problem I kinda base everything around diced onions, celery and green bell peppers in a 2:1:1 ratio. I fry that in a pan or wok with olive oil, and salt and pepper it. I start the frying with the onions alone at first, before putting in the rest. I think I always like it most when everything is fried until all water is gone, everything is shriveled up and is nearly starting to get burned and the onions get really sweet, but others tell me I'm an idiot. If it's not fried long enough, whatever dish you want to use it for tastes bland and I also kinda hate it if I can still feel the texture of the diced onions and bell pepper snippets in the dish later. This base removes all need for those packet sauce mixes out of a factory. I mix the stuff with some cooked or stir fried vegetables and serve the vegetables with rice out of the rice cooker or cook some noodles and mix them into the pan with the vegetables, or I make a pot of beans or some kind of curry. Spices, I only have black pepper, garlic, soy sauce and Tabasco regularly in the kitchen. There is also parsley, thyme, lovage, dill, oregano, tarragon, summer savory, laurel somewhere in the cupboard and sometimes I have a pot of fresh basil (I don't know if the words make sense because I had to use a translator to get English names for the herbs). I mostly use only salt and black pepper and all other stuff is for emergencies, when I cook bland meals and try to rescue it somehow. | ||
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ModernAgeShaman
Norway484 Posts
On April 13 2011 05:51 FuDDx wrote: Been Vegi for about 18 years (since I was 16 ) Both of our children a Girl 11 years old and a boy 4 years old have been vegi all their lifes I am about 5 foot 8 inches tall Im around 155-165 lbs My wife has a Masters in nutritional sciences, she stopped her doctoral work less than a year from getting her PHD. I state that just to say I follow her advice when it comes to eating right and getting what my kids and I need. I'm not a vegan myself, but when I saw this thread I had to post because I'm actually very curious about a vegetarian's diet. Say you're strictly a vegan (no milk, cheese, eggs, fish etc) and your diet is vegetables, fruits and grains. To my knowledge, every "complete" protein is now gone with regards to amino acids. First question is: does this actually matter? Can this lead to any deficiencies? As a weight trainer myself I have been taught that humans need complete sources of protein to build muscle. While this is probably true, I would think that this applies to human growth in most regards. Would a child never fed a complete source of protein be underweight and smaller than one that had been eating meat/dairy? I heard a rumour from a friend who lives in Shanghai that in the poorer parts of China the people are generally shorter and smaller due to them only eating rice, I have no idea if it's actually true or not. Second question is a followup. If this is actually true, what kind of precautions can vegans take to avoid this and ensure healthy and normal growth? I once spoke with a vegan who was an absolute stick who told me he mixed several different vegetables together to create a whole set of amino acids, but since vegetables are simply not even close to protein dense, is the amount you can create and eat enough? I'm also very curious to if any of the vegans here are somewhat muscular or have strong physiques. And/or if you workout, what are your lift stats? | ||
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Freak705
Canada231 Posts
On April 13 2011 06:28 Sinep wrote: Perhaps to shed some light on the matter:I'm not a vegan myself, but when I saw this thread I had to post because I'm actually very curious about a vegetarian's diet. Say you're strictly a vegan (no milk, cheese, eggs, fish etc) and your diet is vegetables, fruits and grains. To my knowledge, every "complete" protein is now gone with regards to amino acids. First question is: does this actually matter? Can this lead to any deficiencies? As a weight trainer myself I have been taught that humans need complete sources of protein to build muscle. While this is probably true, I would think that this applies to human growth in most regards. Would a child never fed a complete source of protein be underweight and smaller than one that had been eating meat/dairy? I heard a rumour from a friend who lives in Shanghai that in the poorer parts of China the people are generally shorter and smaller due to them only eating rice, I have no idea if it's actually true or not. Second question is a followup. If this is actually true, what kind of precautions can vegans take to avoid this and ensure healthy and normal growth? I once spoke with a vegan who was an absolute stick who told me he mixed several different vegetables together to create a whole set of amino acids, but since vegetables are simply not even close to protein dense, is the amount you can create and eat enough? I'm also very curious to if any of the vegans here are somewhat muscular or have strong physiques. And/or if you workout, what are your lift stats? There are 20 basic amino acids. 8 of these amino acids are considered to be "essential" - they cannot be synthesized in the body, and must be consumed directly. The other 12 amino acids can be synthesized using the other amino acids as precursor and intermediate molecules. So long as you vary your diet to include all these amino acids, you will be fine. The body doesn't need *that* much protein, only about 1g/kg body mass per day. When cells assemble proteins, they do it from individual amino acids, one at a time to build a polymer/polypeptide. It makes no difference where those amino acids come from; protein consumed in meat or in any other source will be catabolized into individual amino acids just the same. As far as stunted growth goes, there are other issues to consider as well. There's caloric intake, vitamins, etc. But you're entirely right, a child that does not get all the amino acids will most definitely have adverse effects with regards to growth and development. | ||
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