EPTOh, and if you are non-veg its still cool. Just try not to eat too much and use green fillings more
Vegetarian/Vegan Thread - Page 15
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LibertyOfWings
United States4 Posts
Oh, and if you are non-veg its still cool. Just try not to eat too much and use green fillings more | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
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AlecPyron
United States131 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 13 2011 18:45 Pulimuli wrote: The only problem with vegetarian diets is the nutrition - which can be sufficient if the diet is carefully planned. Im not a vegetarian myself but i can understand those who are, i do love meat though and it has it advantages and disadvantages to be a vegetarian. Slightly exaggerated, I lived for years off only schnitzel and potatoes (also deep fried like the schnitzel). Arguing that one needs careful planning for a vegetarian diet sounds so theoretical to me.  | ||
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terr0r
United States90 Posts
I was also thinking about adding a section for user submitted recipes to share as well as some other useful information. One of my favorite things is making green smoothies/juices. I use leafy green vegetables or herbs as both are amazing sources of different vitamins, minerals and antioxidants. As a general rule of thumb you want to go with 60/40 fruit to veggie ratio though when you use things like Kale which has a bitter taste to it, you want to find the right compliment to mix with it (I haven't found a favorite yet). Here's a quick smoothie/juice I made recently that is actually really tasty: 1 Bunch of Parsley (check resources on this, parsley is really good) 1 Medium Pineapple (cut the skin layer off) 1-1.5 Cups of Orange Juice 1 Cup Water Combine all ingredients in blender (I use a Vita-Mix, it does a really good job) and mix to desired consistency. This one yielded me about 4-5 8oz glasses. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
On April 14 2011 09:36 Ropid wrote: Slightly exaggerated, I lived for years off only schnitzel and potatoes (also deep fried like the schnitzel). Arguing that one needs careful planning for a vegetarian diet sounds so theoretical to me. Having a healthy vegetarian diet does require some planning. Not something terribly extravagant, but it certainly requires some research to ensure you are getting the proper nutrition. For instance, when my sister first went vegetarian, she mostly just ate grilled cheese and mac and cheese. It would be disingenuous to call that "healthy". Vegan diets require stricter planning for sure. That or make sure to supplement the diet with multi-vitamins. | ||
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Gospo
United States32 Posts
On April 14 2011 12:21 EscPlan9 wrote: Having a healthy vegetarian diet does require some planning. Not something terribly extravagant, but it certainly requires some research to ensure you are getting the proper nutrition. For instance, when my sister first went vegetarian, she mostly just ate grilled cheese and mac and cheese. It would be disingenuous to call that "healthy". Vegan diets require stricter planning for sure. That or make sure to supplement the diet with multi-vitamins. Yeah but its not like so many people who eat meat have such healthy diets. Too many people have the idea that being a vegetarian will make you insta-unhealthy without a ton of planning, but truth be told they don't have healthy diets to begin with and to plan one out would not be that difficult. | ||
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Ig
United States417 Posts
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/oct07/diets.ag.footprint.sl.html I personally am not a vegetarian or vegan though many people I know are one or the other. Meat honestly is just really tasty and I do enjoy beef stew and baked chicken. I've been slowly cutting intake and buying free range/humanely raised whenever possible but I don't see myself becoming a vegetarian or vegan, maybe semi-vegetarian but man meat is good  .I do get really, really annoyed by vegans who have a holier than thou attitude though, they make me very angry. | ||
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ZwuckeL
Germany563 Posts
Btw im still a runner and participating in marathons so that prejudice of people being weak because of being vegan is wrong. My point is. If you have ever, ever spend just a tiny little thought about going vegan, just do it. Your life and behavoirs will start to change to the positive in many styles. And it is really not tough to stay vegan if you WANT it. And you are going to want it if your getting yourself informed well. | ||
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GummyZerg
United States277 Posts
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ZwuckeL
Germany563 Posts
On April 14 2011 17:05 GummyZerg wrote: I respect anyone who can do this, I love the taste of meat. I'm wondering if it's possible to cut meat completely out even if you do enjoy it? IT seems the majority of vegetarians or vegans just didn't have a preference in the beginning anyway. yes, i do like the taste but if you get into being a vegan, it's simply not important for you anylonger would you drink fukushima water out of the reactor if, by any curcumstance, it would taste super delicious? just because something is delicious doest meen you HAVE to be eating it. people do what their habits are. and if you change your habit to not eating animal products, u wont be eating animal products edit: it's all about priorities. for me saving innocent animals' lives has a higher priority than having a delicious meat. for you and the majority of people it's the other way around. | ||
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Minzy
Australia387 Posts
Having a healthy vegetarian diet does require some planning. Not something terribly extravagant, but it certainly requires some research to ensure you are getting the proper nutrition. For instance, when my sister first went vegetarian, she mostly just ate grilled cheese and mac and cheese. It would be disingenuous to call that "healthy". i kind of disagree, but of course i have a cultural advantage, that and my mum is a baller cook, and all my vegetarian friends mums are baller cooks. i do think that the research aspect is completely not needed, dive into it, eat whatever you want, whenever you want(thats vegetarian/vegan, take your pick) as overall, compared to a general meat inclusive diet, it is infinitely healthier. i read somewhere that vegetarians are 40% less likely to get obese, and this is definitely true, in fact id say we're 100% less likely to get obese, i have never seen an obese vegetarian. i really dont care about animals tbh, i just see killing them as the wrong thing to do, that is my personal view. i dont go out and hug koala's and shit, fuck that. im just doing what i see as right. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On April 14 2011 17:05 GummyZerg wrote: I respect anyone who can do this, I love the taste of meat. I'm wondering if it's possible to cut meat completely out even if you do enjoy it? IT seems the majority of vegetarians or vegans just didn't have a preference in the beginning anyway. I would be interested to know how many people eat steak, where you are actually dependent on the taste of the meat for your satisfaction. If it is meat as one ingredient of many in a recipe, then the other ingredients could probably be more important than whatever taste the meat has for the final dish. I am thinking of something like a Big Mac, or how much of the taste of a bratwurst actually is from the pork meat and not from the herbs and fat and the barbecuing over coal. I could only find statistics about general meat consumption in a short try with Google, and not what type of products it was used for. Anyways: I have the suspicion many people do not eat roasted meat but instead junk food. If you add those to the number of people without a preference for meat, genuine meat lovers could perhaps end up as a minority in the statistic. I eat the occasional beef or pork fillet or kebab barbecued in the summer (with guests). Now that I think about it, I like bacon a lot, but do not remember the last time I had a craving for it and the last time I ate it. And if I did not miss bacon until now, then it is probably possible to honestly forget that you enjoy meat while being on a vegetarian diet. | ||
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Belano
Sweden657 Posts
EDIT: GummyZerg: Yeah it's possible. The first months where a bit hard but now I don't struggle. My roomie even eats meat and that doesn't bother me. | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
1. Skin potatoes (I skin but you can leave it, skin is healthy but when i want chips health isn't usually first on the agenda) and cut into chips 2. Soak potatoes in cold water for 30 minutes (removes starch that makes chips sticky) 3. Dry by placing one layer of chips in paper towels, stack layers on top of each other with paper towels in between, place a weight on top of the chip/paper stack (i use the pot of water that i soaked them in) and dry for 5 or so minutes, too long and the potoatoes go brown. 4. While drying heat oil to 275 or whatever you like, i use canola but apparently the best is peanut oil. 5. Fry those badboys 6. Add salt and whatever spices you like (I add black pepper and rosemary). 7. Serve on paper towels It's better to make them yourself because it's healthier and tastier imo. Be wary of the dodgier fast food places because they often fry in animal fat, fry with meat so animal product cross contaminates or add chicken salt even though you asked not to. T.T I know KFC chips come shrink wrapped in lard. The only legit fast food chain is McDonalds, who use canola now, but i don't eat there much. | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On April 12 2011 04:10 mAgixWTF wrote: i stopped eating meat, eggs, fish and dairy products like 3 months ago, after i saw the best documentation ever made: Earthlings. + Show Spoiler + Even after 3 months I sometimes have a hard time buying from a german supermarket, since almost every product uses animals. Like this one time I wanted to buy olives, but this big store only had olives which were drowned in lactic acid. A pineapple-mango smoothie, with milk! I even stopped buying products where i couldnt read and understand the ingredients-tables. And they are written in chinese for me And last, but not least, I fear I am eating too much soy. Soy milk, soy yoghurt, tofu, soy sprouts. At least 2 times a day! Wow i just got around to watching it. It's so powerful. I challenge someone to watch that then eat meat. The scene of the live cow with his throat ripped out and that abusive farmer made me sad/pissed. It's very confronting. That sort of militant veganism is unattractive to me, but that's because i'm a pacifist. Makes me want to listen to Rage Against the Machine. Btw Zack de la Rocha is a vegetarian | ||
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popdeollie
United States33 Posts
On April 14 2011 17:05 GummyZerg wrote: I respect anyone who can do this, I love the taste of meat. I'm wondering if it's possible to cut meat completely out even if you do enjoy it? IT seems the majority of vegetarians or vegans just didn't have a preference in the beginning anyway. I've been vegan for 2.5 years now. Before I made the switch, I had a terrible diet with loads and loads of meat. Burgers, hot dogs, fried chicken... you name it. I loved the stuff. Then we talked about the meat and dairy industries, how they treat their animals and the effects they have on the environment, in one of my ethics classes (philosophy major here), and I was horrified. That led to further research and consideration, and I realized that animals experience joy, fear, pleasure and pain just as we do. While not as sophisticated as ours, they have desires, ambitions and inter-personal relationships. Since human rights are fabricated in the interest of a pleasant society (they do not arise from nature), why should we not recognize the rights of other animals, too? Anyway, to get back to the point. I made a cold, hard switch from an ultra-carnivorous diet to a purely vegan diet in one day, and it really wasn't hard. Sure, for the first year or so I still craved a nasty hamburger from time to time, but there are so many vegan meals that taste just as good if not better. Yes, meat tastes quite good, but, animal rights aside, with the way the industry currently functions, it is not good for you or the environment. All of my sources are published books, not online articles, so I can't really share them, but I will share the names of some of the most informative books I read. Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foer is your best bet, if you are new to veganism. Farm Sanctuary by Gene Baur is a good one if you're feeling a bit more sentimental, and Animal Liberation by Peter Singer is the classic, philosophical text on animal rights. Hopefully this post was helpful. So many people think a vegan diet is difficult and extreme, but it's really not. There are so many options for food (pre-packaged or otherwise), and they are generally much healthier than carnivorous meals and oftentimes even tastier! Nutrition wise, the only vitamin I supplement is B12, which I recommend all vegans do. Thanks to veganism, I am in fantastic shape physically and mentally. Look into it! | ||
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Pixilated
United States82 Posts
However I'm really disappointed to see literally nobody cite even a single source for their claims about the benefits or risks of the diets in question. Claiming that you understand human nutrition well is fantastic, but if you can't provide a source or documentation from a certified professional or a peer-reviewed journal, then I think most people will be skeptical (as they should). Human nutrition and the body are extremely complicated. I don't think anybody's opinion here should be trusted blindly. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
On April 15 2011 06:45 Pixilated wrote: I'm really glad to see that there's a nice healthy debate going on over the whole "raw food" thing because it sounds like pseudoscience to me, because I've never seen any hard evidence provided for its health benefits. Therefore for now, I'm defaulting by belief-o-meter to "bullshit." However I'm really disappointed to see literally nobody cite even a single source for their claims about the benefits or risks of the diets in question. Claiming that you understand human nutrition well is fantastic, but if you can't provide a source or documentation from a certified professional or a peer-reviewed journal, then I think most people will be skeptical (as they should). Human nutrition and the body are extremely complicated. I don't think anybody's opinion here should be trusted blindly. One of the biggest problems is that the second someone posts a link, there will immediately be someone who posts a counter link and a fight begins between two people ill equipped to have one. You can just look on the internet and find studies linking Raw Food to reversing diabetes and cancer, and another where people claim that a vegan diet leads to chronic life threatening conditions after only a few years of eating it. Shit is pretty easy to find for both, same with vegan/non vegan - but I definitely don't want to commit to one side over the other. Very few of us in this thread truly possess a thorough enough understanding of human nutrition to decisively comment anyway. I don't at least. I will say this though - just based on what the layman knows about nutrition, it is incredibly intuitive to think that eating more fruit and vegetables is good for you. I mean, there's certainly nothing bad in them unless you're eating absurd quantities, and you do feel genuinely better if you include more of them in your diet, and I doubt you'll find many nutritionists that will challenge this point. Also, in my opinion, the whole raw food thing is blown a bit out of proportion by its practioners. It's a great diet, and is working very well for me, but you will find some pretty militant raw vegans out there who are extremely aggressive in propagating their views to others, probably to the detriment of their argument But I mean, frying isn't as healthy as boiling, roasting isn't as healthy as steaming etc. because they contain cooked oil. It's not like a raw/cooked divide right down the middle, there is grey area. And ultimately, until clear evidence emerges, rather than the somewhat murky, anecdotal evidence we have right now, the only thing you can do is what works for you. Try dramatically increasing your consumption of greens for a week, or replacing some of your carbs and sugar with bananas and fruit and see what happens. There's enough evidence to indicate that you won't keel over dead, and its an interesting experiment to do, and I didn't want to go back to a high grain/fried food diet afterwards. | ||
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Escapist
Portugal548 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img691.imageshack.us/i/frenchvegan.jpg/) Negativity not intended, just using it to fuel the discussion. Very interesting untill now, thank you Peace. | ||
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