Banshees are worse IMHO, cuz in a big fight with PDD, they are ridiculously good as well...

Btw. why doesn't Zerg has a Unit that is comparable with those?

cordlc

United States360 Posts

March 10 2011 12:14 GMT

#62

PainUser isn't arguing between Banshee and DT opening, just the unit's importance overall in the matchup.

Like others have said, they serve different purposes, so the comparison is kind of pointless. The Banshee is obviously better mixing in with fighting units - but when it comes to harassing / map control in late game PvT, DT's are more powerful, no question.

Gladiator6

Sweden7024 Posts

March 10 2011 12:14 GMT

#63

On March 10 2011 21:13 kickinhead wrote:
Banshees are worse IMHO, cuz in a big fight with PDD, they are ridiculously good as well...

Btw. why doesn't Zerg has a Unit that is comparable with those?

I think lurker should fill that role.

Maybe in HotS ^^

SeriouR

Spain622 Posts

March 10 2011 12:15 GMT

#64

Everyone is wishing what the other have got. Lol

kasumimi

Greece460 Posts

March 10 2011 12:15 GMT

#65

The way the OP formulated his post makes it look biased imo.
What I would like to point out is that teching to banshee is a lot less risky and can be much more rewarding that rushing to DTs (mostly in TvP).
Also the fact that banshees are flyers and have range makes them much better early/mid game.

Wraiths (and flying units in general) in SC:BW did very low (9) damage to ground which in my personal opinion it was much more better.

Striding Strider

United Kingdom787 Posts

March 10 2011 12:16 GMT

#66

They have static cloak on all their ground units. And two of them can move while cloaked.

Jarmam

Denmark140 Posts

March 10 2011 12:20 GMT

#67

On March 10 2011 20:50 Dante08 wrote:
Banshees duh, look at the pilot, hot stuff

Strong argumentation.... still the DT pulls a win due to having a wristblade lightsaber made of thought - or a double-bladed scythe-lightsaber.

...

...I mean look at him! He has a double-bladed scythe-lightsaber. He could only be more awesome if he had tits and was on fire!

Bergys

Sweden337 Posts

March 10 2011 12:25 GMT

#68

I do agree with PainUser as a protoss player. The DT serves the role as a you have no-detectionimgoingtorapeyourface unit. They give much more map control and the terran cannot move out unless he has a raven or alot of scans saved up basically which is very useful to secure an expand or something like that.

Sure, banshees can be a pain in the ass but protoss has mobile detection in the form of observers which are easily accessable. I feel that the banshee is more of a combat/stealth unit and DTs are pure stealth unit, so obviously they excel at that. I feel that the use of banshees is more harass until they have sufficient detection and then retreat with them and keep them in your army. DTs are more map control/harrasment based and they do a better job at it, which I think is PainUsers argument.

Nis

Singapore45 Posts

March 10 2011 12:30 GMT

#69

The biggest difference between DT and banshees imo is that banshees, after been chased away from the mineral line, they can still fly to the airspace behind the enemy's and hover out of sight, ready to threaten the mineral line again if the opponent moves out and dont leave enough behind. Air units which can be harder at times to get, depending on your choice of build, are required to flush them and even then, they can often get away with cloak
On the other hand, DTs once discovered in the mineral line, have usually nowhere to go and will be hunted down and killed, ending the threat once and for all (well not really but the immediate threat is gone, unlike banshees)
Also, banshees make much stronger fighters than DTs when theres detection out in the field so really, i would very much prefer banshees over DTs.

Logros

Netherlands9913 Posts

March 10 2011 12:35 GMT

#70

Just look at what tech route you have to take to get banshees and what to get for DTs. Teching to DTs leave you completely open and 1 missile turret at your ramp or mineral line counters it. Banshees can still do a ton of damage without even researching cloak and you build them out of the same building as you get medivacs and vikings from. Granted late-late game DTs can be more usefull but again, turrets/PF shut it down completely.

Also, it's funny you mention
- Must be created in a Starport with Tech lab addon

But imply that DTs are made from gateways, while you need to tech through TC and Dark Shrine which takes soooooo long to build.

PieShopPwner

United States75 Posts

March 10 2011 12:39 GMT

#71

how is this a question? The only argument people make about a dt is that it is perma cloaked. Really the banshee can FLY and cloak at will (energy permitting) not to mention even if you get detection banshees are still very annoying as you have to keep your army seperated. cannons are great but at 8 mins in you shouldnt be investing monies into cannons, your main army will suffer greatly. All terran has to do is build a turret at ur front and each CC and ur safe from dts pretty much. Dts are really useless against zerg until late game and even then it questionable whether those warpins/gas spending is worth it.

Banshees mixed in with your with ur reg army is super strong throw in a raven to snipe detection and pdd and say good night to protoss. Watch any of pain user games against toss in the last MLG to see how good this things are.

netherDrake

Singapore1831 Posts

March 10 2011 12:39 GMT

#72

As an opening (2/3 gate DT expand), it's rather risky unlike 1/1/1 into cloaked banshees. With protoss warp-ins I feel DT's are much more effective than banshees late game as a means of map control and harassment.

I'd still take banshees though.

DashedHopes

Canada414 Posts

March 10 2011 12:40 GMT

#73

Banshees are actually some what strong in a real army for a terran player. Dt's are so low health that even the high dmg doesn't make up for it. It's a late game catch up unit

Keitzer

United States2509 Posts

March 10 2011 12:41 GMT

#74

OP needs more description for each unit

Such as cost, move speed, reusability, etc

ellmo

Poland6 Posts

March 10 2011 12:41 GMT

#75

On March 10 2011 20:27 Zefa wrote:
I predict 33% (Terran) vote for dts and 67% (Zerg and Protoss) vote for banshees

This.
I'd prefer Banshees over DT, simply because they are more mobile, and they are not the awful Protoss.

Rabiator

Germany3948 Posts

March 10 2011 12:42 GMT

#76

Burrowed Roach / Infestor play? These too force your opponent to invest in detection, so the role is the same except that too few Zerg bother with researching the awesome burrow upgrade.

Defrag

Poland414 Posts

March 10 2011 14:52 GMT

#77

Your pros and cons in OP are terribly biased and point towards Dark templear so much.

I mean, pointing out that Dark Templears spawn from the base structure, while they still require tech path longer then Banshees?