EPTBanshee versus Dark Templar [Extended Serious] - Page 6
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On March 10 2011 20:27 Zefa wrote: I predict 33% (Terran) vote for dts and 67% (Zerg and Protoss) vote for banshees Wow you almost got it right. You should be a stock trader. On the topic, I prefer DTs, not because they are as good as banshee, but because the ability to create them. After you have the dark shrine, you can make DT anytime you want throughout the game, but with banshee, you only make it in the early game, after that, most of the time people don't have startport+techlab anymore. Another thing to note is although Protoss and Zerg have weak detection in early game, after they have robo and lair, their detection mobility is so good that it's not worth for Terran to invest in banshee anymore, in TvT, banshee is still good midgame to snipe things down. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44342 Posts
I'm a Protoss player (and heck, I currently have the dark templar portrait on TL) and even I recognize that banshees (or the threat of banshee harrass) are a lot more intimidating than dark templar  But anyway, very cool Lego pictures! Props for those! | ||
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Bleb
Croatia278 Posts
however OP didn't mention few things - teching to dark shrine - "must research cloak" says who? you don't have to research cloak but still opponents will have to get detection - banshees have slightly more health and can be repaired - yes DTs can regen shield but they die more often than banshees - banshees are viable in standard army composition OP made this poll about their harrasment capabilities while that's not all they're good for | ||
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Alex)
Scotland263 Posts
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Undercroft
United Kingdom166 Posts
For a "mix a couple into your army late game" i'd opt for DTs. Mixing 3-4 into your army to chill with the zealots is damn good when the enemy is skimping on mobile detection with their main forces. | ||
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251
United States1401 Posts
I mean it fuckin' flies. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On March 11 2011 00:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm a Protoss player (and heck, I currently have the dark templar portrait on TL) and even I recognize that banshees (or the threat of banshee harrass) are a lot more intimidating than dark templar I think the whole point is that Protoss players are more likely to say Banshees are better and Terran will say DTs are better because that is the harassment they deal with. As a terran player I prefer to deal with Banshees over DTs so much! I hate DTs, but if I was going to have one of the units I would take the Banshee. That said I voted Banshee because I <3 Nony  | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On March 11 2011 01:00 Bleb wrote: - banshees are viable in standard army composition and archons arent right? | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
Oh, thats why xD | ||
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
- Created from the most common Protoss Building I take issue with this. Teching to a Dark shrine is suuuuch a long wait. building a starport then swapping it with your factory's tech lab is hardly a huge investment. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On March 10 2011 21:42 Rabiator wrote: Burrowed Roach / Infestor play? These too force your opponent to invest in detection, so the role is the same except that too few Zerg bother with researching the awesome burrow upgrade. Nah man. Burrowed roaches don't really compare to these units. Once Zerg has infestors, the infestor energy upgrade and burrow, they can do some mineral line invisible harass. But for that to work you have to sluggishly underground crawl them back there, hope he doesn't have turrets, obs, cannons or overseers. Also, this is much later in the game than the DT and Banshee. I'm cool with Zerg not having a gimmicky unit that can outright win games if not scouted. Makes us bi-winners. | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
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Bleb
Croatia278 Posts
On March 11 2011 01:04 rastaban wrote: I think the whole point is that Protoss players are more likely to say Banshees are better and Terran will say DTs are better because that is the harassment they deal with. As a terran player I prefer to deal with Banshees over DTs so much! but if I was going to have one of the units I would take the Banshee. That said I voted Banshee because I <3 Nony can you explain to me why you prefer dealing with banshees over dts? especially as terran banshees outrange marines can be used on cliffs / edges of base I'm not trolling I'm just honestly shocked by so many ppl prefering dealing with banshees | ||
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44342 Posts
On March 11 2011 01:04 rastaban wrote: I think the whole point is that Protoss players are more likely to say Banshees are better and Terran will say DTs are better because that is the harassment they deal with. As a terran player I prefer to deal with Banshees over DTs so much! but if I was going to have one of the units I would take the Banshee. That said I voted Banshee because I <3 Nony That's a weird way of looking at it though. I deal with dark templar harrass as often as I do with banshee harrass (but perhaps only because I play 2v2 as well as 1v1). If a Terran says dark templar are worse because they've never had to play against them, then he's not really making an informed decision. As a Terran player, you'd rather have the banshee. As a Protoss player, I'd rather have the banshee (and not because of Nony... because I have experience dealing with both the banshee and the dark templar). I was just amused by the OPs breakdown of each unit, where it seemed like he gave the pros of the dark templar and the cons of the banshee, when in reality the banshee is superior to the dark templar overall. Heck, every unit has cons and could be made to look like a bad unit, but one should be objective and consider the pros and cons of each. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
banshee just "sucks" i never make banshees annymore and the one or 2 times i try in teamgames its always useless but that could well be due to my bad control the cloaking timer is annoying, you cant realy park them somewhere on the map and just leave them. beside that their dps is just to low, even though its ranged and by no means bad compared to other units beeing an air unit they are also easier to spot i feel just looking at it as a unit i clearly prefer dts, but if you take into account the whole infrastructure i find it hard to say. dts need a specific building where banshees need none realy (everyone makes a starport and a techlab is dirt cheap and builds verry fast, its re-usable also) so guess for dts you have to commit a bit more maybe early game still cloak is 200/200 lol wich is a ton early game and early banshee with cloak i a big comitment and late banshees just dont seem so usefull both zerg toss and terran have good counters against them wich are also usefull in normal other situations well: dts>banshee  | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
Banshees may be better overall than a DT, but DT's are far stronger vs zerg for example. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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