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etceteraetcetera
Profile Joined June 2009
United States38 Posts
December 25 2010 20:20 GMT
#41
I personally spam at the same speed that my apm actually is. I've watched replays of games where the apm tab will show up as like 200 for my opponent and 130 for me, and then as the game progresses, my opponent will slowly creep down to 90 or so while I stay at 130. My point in saying this is that I feel that it's useful to spam only at the same rate you're actually going to be playing because it actually does get your hands more used to moving around that fast; but it's really unnecessary to spam just to see how high you can get your apm and you're more likely to make mistakes (box workers, hit s before hitting your hall hotkey =P). so yeah your apm is something that you want to remain fairly constant throughout the game. if you're fluctuating between doing nothing when there's not anything to do and spiking up to 200 real apm when you feel pressured to do so it's going to be very uncomfortable and you're not going to be as calm as you need to be.
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
December 25 2010 20:49 GMT
#42
On December 25 2010 10:44 eth3n wrote:
I was a new player to sc2 (super casual scbw) and I also was like wtf is going on. I assume its an artifact of scbw, and I assume at some point people are like "LOOK AT THE APM!" and then everyone started spamming it. But who knows, maybe it gets your prepared to spam like mad later in game.

I have heard TLO mock the practice multiple times, so I assume it confers no other advantages (FINGER EXERCISE MFER!!!). Of course for those who actually want to see if their overall APM is steadily improving, to do it throughout the game makes it meaningless (if you only do it in the beginning then you could of course still check your legitimate APM in fights i guess ^_^)


From what I've seen, TLO spams quite a bit at the start of games. In Friendday Wednesday he did say it's better to slow down actions so decision making is more clear, but he did mention "slower" is like 150 SC2 APM.
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Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
December 25 2010 20:53 GMT
#43
Progamers do it to warm up and keep pace for the rest of the game, because it's a lot more awkward to slowly build up speed rather than maintain handspeed throughout the game.

A lot of people do it in general just because they see others do it, but then it becomes habit after awhile and it just happens. Kind of like swapping weapons back and forth for no reason in an FPS.

It does keep your hands loose and is a lot easier to play fast later in the game if you're already playing fast at the beginning, though. Slowly getting faster and faster from a dead stop at the beginning just seems awkward to try to do.
Miicr0
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands133 Posts
December 25 2010 20:56 GMT
#44
My room is painstakingly cold, so I always spam a little on the keys - build drone/overlord - switch to scout - switch to base - build build - switch - switch (don't do the boxing thing, when my mousehand is feeling cold I try to move it as direct as possible over the rally point line of my workers or I gyrate my hand to make it warm and flexed. This warms me up and calms my nerves really well.

I notice that whenever I don't do this, I start thinking about the game and sometimes even worry myself and get nervous. So this really works to calm me down. But if you do it, don't 'overdo' it. Nobody keeps up 300 Game-APM for 40 minutes, it will just exhaust you. Do what feels right for yourself!
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Psykologen
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway16 Posts
December 25 2010 21:03 GMT
#45
I spam APM to keep my fingers warm throughout the game. This way, I believe I am able to manage my bases more efficiently.
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Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-25 21:05:25
December 25 2010 21:04 GMT
#46
Well, at least there in Finland there is pretty cold inside house too (-30 celsius outside yesterday =D) and spamming helps me warm up hands. Also helps me locate hotkey placements^^
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Dakk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden572 Posts
December 25 2010 21:05 GMT
#47
I am one of those who spam ALOT, and i do it because, later on in the game. You automatically execute actions quicker since you already have such a high "standard".. I'f i'm spamming whenever i can, i build, inject and all those stuff really good.. and it does not make you feel stressed when do all those stuff really fast, because your spam is so much faster, those things seams really slow.
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Mali__Slon
Profile Joined October 2010
Senegal163 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-26 04:47:25
December 26 2010 04:46 GMT
#48
i guess it doesnt matter how u hard u try to convince people that APM is reflection of your skill, they still try to artificially increase their APM.

well if u feel so,.do it, spam as hard as u can, but be prepared to lose to lower amp players. U can also try hitting your bedroom wall with your head, because it will have the same impact on your game as spamming.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 26 2010 05:06 GMT
#49
It gets me used to my hotkey layout (I use 7 as main hatch and 5/6 as overlords), and warms me up for the rest of the game. I'm sure I don't need it after the first few games, but I feel weird not doing it o_o
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0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
December 26 2010 05:12 GMT
#50
It's proven that the more you spam, the better you are.

I suggest you start right away
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Ayrie
Profile Joined September 2010
United States213 Posts
December 26 2010 05:14 GMT
#51
APM spam is just a means of keeping your fingers moving at all times. Do it at the pace you feel comfortable with while churning out your normal routine. By keeping your hand in motion the entire game, from the very beginning, you can react that much more quickly and queue up actions more easily than if you were to start from a very low APM standard. But don't overdo that shit, you can overreact with your clicks and misclick / hit the wrong keys if you're moving at a pace faster than your mind can keep up with.

As others have noted, it is simply a warm-up exercise after all.

Of course, there are those who simply spam for the sake of spam, and in their case they have alot of wasted actions that should be spent thinking about how to efficiently use their APM potential instead of right clicking one group around fifty times to nudge it into position.

APM =/= skill, it is instead an insight into the player's mechanical ceiling.
And that's what she said.
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
December 26 2010 06:20 GMT
#52
at the very least maintaining a high apm is proof that your brain isnt having to put forth alot of effort with each action. Being able to maintain a steady APM is a pretty good indicator that youe not being overwhelmed and that you are poised. You can even tell when pros are not poised when their apm shoots freakishly high while out of combat for several seconds in response to something they scout.

Beyond ~120 maybe, the actions themselves are not important, but the rhythmic nature of spamming is and it will keep your calm, clearheaded, and able to focus your brain on the right response rather than wasting brain power on the 'day to day' stuff
Communism
Profile Joined November 2010
United States176 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 05:56:49
January 02 2011 05:55 GMT
#53
At the end of the Mr. Bitter stream ZvT coaching session with EGmachine, he talks about APM spamming, and says it is a legitimate way for someone to improve their APM. Although he agrees that useless APM can potentially hurt your game, (cause mistakes) it will get your fingers used to operating that fast, and he said that the more you do it, the easier it will be to convert those useless APM in to meaningful ones. (i.e. much easier then if you didnt do them period, it gives you the physical aspect of it, and through practice your mind will catch up).

Edit : He also said that in order to compete on a pro level, the lowest APM you could have that wouldnt necessarily affect your game with great decision making is ~130
AmBroSiaJr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 06:09:13
January 02 2011 06:04 GMT
#54
On December 25 2010 13:14 bobucles wrote:
You do stretches before exercise, right? Pro players spam APM for the same thing. It's done to warm up.


Has nothing to do with keeping fingers "warm". That's HUGE myth that TL.net community belives in. If ur fingers are cold, put the heater on.

People spam to always know where their fingers are on the keyboard at all time, so you don't have to look down as much (which is a lot different than warming up imo).
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 06:10:57
January 02 2011 06:09 GMT
#55
On January 02 2011 15:04 AmBroSiaJr wrote:
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On December 25 2010 13:14 bobucles wrote:
You do stretches before exercise, right? Pro players spam APM for the same thing. It's done to warm up.


Wrong, it's to always know where your fingers are on the keyboard at all time, so you don't have to look down as much.

Has nothing to do with keeping fingers "warm". If you believe this, like many people do, you're really gullible.


First, "warm up" is a figure of speech. Second, in high pressure situations (such as high stakes games) blood vessels constrict, making your fingers seem very cold. Pros talk about it all the time (it was referenced in a day9 daily concerning execution around the early hundreds off the top of my head), so might want to know what your talking about before you post .

"Spamming" is a legitimate exercise to assure your mouse settings are where you want them and to gain mouse precision. On the pro levels it seldom has anything to do with just wanting the highest possible apm.
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
b0urne420
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 06:16:27
January 02 2011 06:16 GMT
#56
because it keeps us from getting bored to death during the first few minutes of the game
LynxKerr
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada173 Posts
January 02 2011 06:18 GMT
#57
I heard a rumour HuK was in Gold league in the beta. Then he started to spam. Then he became a pro gamer in korea. You do the math. Spamming is the key to the game.

Real talk, ya heard.
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Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
January 02 2011 06:30 GMT
#58
I just do it for pacing. If i start the early game slow I will play the late game slow. If i spam at the beginning I will play much faster in the late game. Thats pretty much the only reason that I do it.
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A.J.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States209 Posts
January 02 2011 06:33 GMT
#59
I just do it to warm up and get ready for all the APM playing zerg requires.
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Allred
Profile Joined November 2010
United States352 Posts
January 02 2011 06:44 GMT
#60
one time i got my apm up to about 1500- lol accidently clicked slowest setting and then spammed it was pretty cool to watch the replay if full speed cause all the probes went to the nearest mineral patch immediately lol-not that this has to do with the thread but just saying...
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