TvZ All-in Marines - Page 6

A few things from the replay. The first thing you need to do is remove the assumption that you outmacroed or outplayed the Terran player, because you did not. Reasons are below.


1. Yes you had more bases, but macro is more than just the number of bases, but also includes how well you are able to spend those resources. There's no use in having a ton of bases if you can't spend your money fast enough, which leads to...


2. A huge excess of larva. What's the point in injecting extra larva if you aren't going to use them. All you are doing is losing out on your naturally occuring larva. If you are short on resources, spend the energy on creep tumors instead. If you have a ton of money, USE UP YOUR LARVA.


3. Your creep spreading was extremely poor. NONE of your 4 bases were connected to each other. Given the length of the game that is inexcusable. Even on that map, you should have at least connected to your natural and probably your 3rd at the gold.


4. Getting supply blocked. You certainly had enough resources to make a ton of Overlords. All you did was limit the size of your army to roughly the same food count as his, and eventually lower than his. And you stayed at that food capacity (~80-90) for pretty much the whole game. I should add that since half of your food was Drones, your actual fighting units was substantially lower than his in nearly EVERY major encounter. So no, its not a surprise you got owned even by "just marines".

For example:
A. Battle at his natural ~18:45. Food count is his 68 vs your 78. However you have 39 Drones to his 28 SCV's. So its actually your 39 food army vs his 40, which is dead even. However he had a Bunker, and for some reason you sent all your Banelings to take out his Bunker instead of the mass of marines. Probably would have been better to blow up his marines ball and let the roaches kill the bunker. Poor control on your part because this was certainly a winnable fight.

B. That battle at his natural ~21:46. His food count is 101 vs your 87. However he only has 29 SCV's to your 37 Drones so his actual fighting force is 72 food vs your 50. Advantage him big time. Afterwards you complain about how this was so dumb, but your fate was sealed when you decided to attack an army nearly 50% larger than yours.

C. The final battle. Your 129 food vs. his 134 food; you have 34 Drones to his 19 SCV's, so its actually your 95 food army vs his 115 which is about a 20% advantage for him. Also, your control here was awful as it was a pretty obvious 1A into a larger army. Your units arrived in a line directly into his concave. Nearly all of his marines were firing on you immediately, while your units in the back were still filing up the ramp. If you had balled up first and then moved in, you probably could have won even with his numbers advantage due to your Banelings. But the poor control here cost you.


4. You had HUGE excess resources but had 0/0/0 on upgrades until near the end, while the Terran had +1 attack for most of the game. With the amount of excess you money you had, why not throw down another evo chamber and double upgrade. You probably could have gotten to level 2 upgrades across the board given the length of that game.


In conclusion, you did NOT outmacro or even outplay the Terran player. You just had more bases than him which is only one part of "macro". You didn't even saturate the bases, as I don't think you ever went over 40 Drones. 40 Drones cannot even fully saturate 2 bases, let alone 3 or 4. In essence, you had wasted bases, even more so since you never managed to use the extra larva effectively. He did a better job of spending his money while you let huge reserves build up. He did a better job with upgrades for the majority of the game as you were 0/0/0 for most of the game. He did a better job picking his fights as you constantly attacked into larger armies for the entire game. He did a better job controlling his units and making sure his marines could get a decent concave while you were letting things line up like a firing squad. He did a better job with supply, as you were constantly supply blocked despite the capacity to easily produce to 200 supply worth of overlords. Your creep expansion was non-existant. In other words, your play was worse than his in everything other than making new bases. Bases which you could not take advantage of due to supply block, resource glutting, and no creep.

Bottomline: The right person won that game