TvZ All-in Marines

On August 21 2010 14:46 Sadistx wrote:
Maybe this had something to do with it:

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On August 21 2010 14:46 Sadistx wrote:
Maybe this had something to do with it:

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On August 21 2010 14:50 mahnini wrote:

exactly. you suck that's why you lost.

On August 21 2010 15:07 moosh wrote:
I spent all my money just expanding and building an army? My army size I would say always matched his or was bigger. It was hard to even get close to him. Most units would melt before getting the surround.

On August 21 2010 14:38 moosh wrote:
Hey guys, so i'm not a bad zerg player. I find I have the most trouble with Terran as do most Z players. But you have to check this out. This guy goes flat out ONLY goes marines and medivac. NOTHING ELSE! I'm on three base, I have the gold, he is just barley expanding, and he keeps wiping out my units. I had the money to tech to ultras, brood lords, whatever. But I thought my baneling, roach, hydra would do best. I mean if I went brood lords, his marines would melt the broodlings, and he could quickly pump vikings. If I went ultras they would just melt to a little stim micro. You HAVE to check this out. It is RIDICULOUS!

http://rapidshare.com/files/414191018/Worst_Game_Ever.SC2Replay

The only thing I thought I could maybe do was some burrow micro with banelings. But there are so many fronts for him to attack from on Oasis. Really, I quit zerg until patch. This is complete and utter bullshit.

On August 21 2010 14:49 RavenNevermore wrote:
Overreaction much? There is a way to beat everything... and in the case of mass marines, there are many ways to beat it. Burrowed Banelings, Infestors work wonders with fungal growth. Flank with speedlings so he can't run away from the banelings.

Zerg is on par balance-wise with the other two races at the low-medium level of play, but when you approach higher levels, you find that Terrans are very difficult for zerg... I'm watching your replay now...

EDIT: Okay, I watched your replay. I'll give you some analysis.

I liked your agressive expansion. Well played

Your scouting was awful. In the early game and right at the end, the whole problem you were dealing with, involving unexpected marine pushes could be dealt with and countered very effectively at the cost of 1 zergling at each tower. Desert Oasis is incredibly easy for Zerg players to hold these towers using only 1 zergling at each tower. This vision provides perfect vision of the entire attack path no matter which way he decides to move.

Poor army composition I'm afraid. It was mixed, and all over the place. You appeared to get Hydralisks merely for the sake of making Hydralisks. More Zerglings and Banelings would have been a far better investment, or, even better than that, infestors, or even mutas would have been a better choice. The mutas wouldn't be at all effective at fighting his army, but 4 or 5 mutas could have effectively prevented him from any forward movement simply by harass. He had barely any SCVs the whole game, killing any would DRASTICLY slow down marine production. Also, when it comes to marines, Roaches and Banelings are a pointless overlap in role. If i were you I would choose one or the other.

Pointless and Disastrous agression. You made a common low level mistake. You killed his army, and felt that it was the perfect time to make an agressive push, and when you did, you lost all your army and dealt minimal damage. That army would have been far more benificial towards defending against the next attack.

Poor Engagement. Zerg are a race that is very dependant on engagement tactics, particularly flanking. You always engages the marines in one big ball, which made it very easy for the marines to lay down a forward layer of fire. There was no need to do such things. Engage from two directions from banelings and it forces him to split his fire. Choosing where to fight and engage and flanking is best tied to scouting, which I explained earlier, you had trouble with.

Infestors, like I said earlier, would have saved that game. That gas that you spent on Hydras (which are suprisingly inneffective pount for pound on marines) would have been far better spent on 3 or 4 infestors. Fungal Growth not only immobilizes marines, but also causes chaotic damage on large chunks of them.

Baneling Mines would have been very effective. Also useful to scout to lay these traps. See him coming? See where hes going? Lay down 5 Banelings and you knock his army down to a tiny fraction of it's original size.

On August 21 2010 15:13 ZaaaaaM wrote:


lawl, I wish people used this strat against me. So many units are good against pure marines, blords, ultras, blings and roaches. You're saying "if I went x, y would happen [y=bad]" Pretty bold statements and hard to believe without you showing it. Try to play against the same tactic a few times before making a useless topic. Oh yeah, spend your minerals and larva >.<

On August 21 2010 15:06 Muftobration wrote:
I just watched the replay. While what everyone says here is true about being able to counter using speedlings and banelings, it's still a bit absurd that marines + a-move is all that the Terran needs to defeat a Zerg who's not 100% on top of everything.