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On August 21 2010 16:16 moosh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 16:06 Melt wrote:
Finding a counter against Marines only shouldn't really be that hard.
Banelings are so freakin awesome against marines and if you don't win, build more Banelings.
If he managed to beat you, than (i'm sorry to say that) you were extremely less skilled than him. Watch the video. Banelings is pretty much all I went early on. And here's what happens... in the early game? You destroy the M ball, but you don't quite have as much money to go in and finish them off. But the second time around? The M ball is so big that they melt the zerglings and banelings before they get close enough to do damage. Look, the other day if you had said "omg I just lost only to marines". I would have laughed and said, "what? just go banelings!" But after the game today? I'm joining the ZvT imba movement.
The OP and all your responses are so terrible I can't tell if you just have a lower understanding of the game, trolling, or just that immature. I really hope its the first of the 3.
Instead of being a martyr and looking for some sort of sympathy for zergs, how about you just admit your entire game isn't up to par for you to have an opinion on balance. Then maybe these threads wont pop up.
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On August 21 2010 17:24 zomgtossrush wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 16:16 moosh wrote:On August 21 2010 16:06 Melt wrote:
Finding a counter against Marines only shouldn't really be that hard.
Banelings are so freakin awesome against marines and if you don't win, build more Banelings.
If he managed to beat you, than (i'm sorry to say that) you were extremely less skilled than him. Watch the video. Banelings is pretty much all I went early on. And here's what happens... in the early game? You destroy the M ball, but you don't quite have as much money to go in and finish them off. But the second time around? The M ball is so big that they melt the zerglings and banelings before they get close enough to do damage. Look, the other day if you had said "omg I just lost only to marines". I would have laughed and said, "what? just go banelings!" But after the game today? I'm joining the ZvT imba movement. The OP and all your responses are so terrible I can't tell if you just have a lower understanding of the game, trolling, or just that immature. I really hope its the first of the 3. Instead of being a martyr and looking for some sort of sympathy for zergs, how about you just admit your entire game isn't up to par for you to have an opinion on balance. Then maybe these threads wont pop up.
Agreed.
Even if there was some sort of glaring imbalance in ZvT (and I don't think there is), your play just isn't at a level where you'd be able to tell the difference...
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The screenshot earlier explained it perfectly. To much Minerals \ gas stored. You could have such a huge army with that. Baneling + zling mix and 2-3 infestors would rape his all marine play.
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3 ultras, 1 takes the first hits, the other two MURDER ALL THE MARINES.
Also, roach burrow is nice!
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On August 21 2010 14:46 Sadistx wrote:Maybe this had something to do with it: + Show Spoiler +
this guys right, are you avoiding his comment?
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On August 21 2010 17:10 zomgtossrush wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 14:56 RedSword wrote:On August 21 2010 14:50 mahnini wrote:On August 21 2010 14:46 Sadistx wrote:Maybe this had something to do with it: + Show Spoiler + exactly. you suck that's why you lost. +1 Try spending your money... +2 Jesus your terribad. Why would u not even consider blings? infestors? This is the sterotypical "qq ZvT is imba" thread.
What the crap are you talking about. I was going blings basically all game.
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On August 21 2010 17:27 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 17:24 zomgtossrush wrote:On August 21 2010 16:16 moosh wrote:On August 21 2010 16:06 Melt wrote:
Finding a counter against Marines only shouldn't really be that hard.
Banelings are so freakin awesome against marines and if you don't win, build more Banelings.
If he managed to beat you, than (i'm sorry to say that) you were extremely less skilled than him. Watch the video. Banelings is pretty much all I went early on. And here's what happens... in the early game? You destroy the M ball, but you don't quite have as much money to go in and finish them off. But the second time around? The M ball is so big that they melt the zerglings and banelings before they get close enough to do damage. Look, the other day if you had said "omg I just lost only to marines". I would have laughed and said, "what? just go banelings!" But after the game today? I'm joining the ZvT imba movement. The OP and all your responses are so terrible I can't tell if you just have a lower understanding of the game, trolling, or just that immature. I really hope its the first of the 3. Instead of being a martyr and looking for some sort of sympathy for zergs, how about you just admit your entire game isn't up to par for you to have an opinion on balance. Then maybe these threads wont pop up. Agreed. Even if there was some sort of glaring imbalance in ZvT (and I don't think there is), your play just isn't at a level where you'd be able to tell the difference...
your right. i'll switch to playing an easier race.
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no really, youre macro needs serious work. what league are you btw? just wondering
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On August 21 2010 19:16 Cynthedic wrote:this guys right, are you avoiding his comment?
all that money went into banelings and roaches... which all died
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On August 21 2010 19:24 moosh wrote:
all that money went into banelings and roaches... which all died
Resource glutting was just one of your problems that game. I outlined the others on the previous page.
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On August 21 2010 19:22 Cynthedic wrote:
no really, youre macro needs serious work. what league are you btw? just wondering
I was in plat during beta and im in gold now... won all my placement except two which were against t
I may not be gosu... but was this guy really that good?? it really didn't seem like he did much more than just spam a at rax and attack move them
I think 85% of my losses so far are to T
Everything everyone has said so far has just lead me to believe that I shouldn't be playing the macro heavy and supposedly aggressive Zerg. So I will play Terran. Thanks.
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The solution is very simple, I didn't bother to read all the comments or watch the video, but scouting properly and using zerglings and banelings is the key here. And don't just group them all upp and a-move the terran player, flank him and maybe even play around with burrow.
Also, again pure marines (high atk-speed, low dmg) make sure that you get upgrades for your units asap.
Oh, and also:
1. Out-expand him and contain him on 1-2 bases.
2. ???
3. Profit!
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Hi. I'm a noob zerg and I just played a match that was pretty much the same thing. Turtle Terran on one base going mass marine and 1 thor. I'm expanding and what not. Granted, I should have teched up to Ultras sooner and my macro is pretty bad. This is an epic (noob) battle but seriously entertaining.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/60948-1v1-terran-zerg-novice-metalopolis
Let me know what you think.
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On August 21 2010 14:50 mahnini wrote:exactly. you suck that's why you lost.
maybe thats a little bit too harsh to put it? arent there rules against these posts?.....
instead: you need to improve your macro, its good to grab several expos, saturate them and work on injecting larvae constantly so you can use all resources you pool up to pump units.
Also-- scouting is vital, if need to be have an OL near his base ready to be sac'd to gain vision and see what he is doing.
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skip roaches tbh, baneling/ling/muta and maybe an infestor or 2 and you are set. If he only builds medivacs, (no tech lab on starport) it is time to have some fun with burrowed banelings. Also remember to harass well. If he has towers in the nat, kill them with mutas and then go to his main to distract him. Then you can drop banelings in his nat or sneak in some burrowed infestors and kill workers/disrupt mining.
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fungal growth + banelings/speedling
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LOl goddamn... I have to tech to every unit (banelings, speedlings, infestors, and ultras) and use all their abilities (burrow, fungal growth)... spawn lots of creep... control all the watch towers... out-expand and defend all the expands.... harass... never get supply blocked... get all the upgrades I can for all my units... tech to tier 3 units as quickly as possible
to deal with 1a marines... lulz all day
User was warned for this post
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On August 21 2010 15:06 Muftobration wrote:
I just watched the replay. While what everyone says here is true about being able to counter using speedlings and banelings, it's still a bit absurd that marines + a-move is all that the Terran needs to defeat a Zerg who's not 100% on top of everything.
100% on top of everything? By the looks of it, he hasn't built a goddamn unit in the last month. Of course proper macro, no matter unit, should win the game.
Seriously.
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On August 21 2010 19:21 moosh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 17:27 MrBitter wrote:On August 21 2010 17:24 zomgtossrush wrote:On August 21 2010 16:16 moosh wrote:On August 21 2010 16:06 Melt wrote:
Finding a counter against Marines only shouldn't really be that hard.
Banelings are so freakin awesome against marines and if you don't win, build more Banelings.
If he managed to beat you, than (i'm sorry to say that) you were extremely less skilled than him. Watch the video. Banelings is pretty much all I went early on. And here's what happens... in the early game? You destroy the M ball, but you don't quite have as much money to go in and finish them off. But the second time around? The M ball is so big that they melt the zerglings and banelings before they get close enough to do damage. Look, the other day if you had said "omg I just lost only to marines". I would have laughed and said, "what? just go banelings!" But after the game today? I'm joining the ZvT imba movement. The OP and all your responses are so terrible I can't tell if you just have a lower understanding of the game, trolling, or just that immature. I really hope its the first of the 3. Instead of being a martyr and looking for some sort of sympathy for zergs, how about you just admit your entire game isn't up to par for you to have an opinion on balance. Then maybe these threads wont pop up. Agreed. Even if there was some sort of glaring imbalance in ZvT (and I don't think there is), your play just isn't at a level where you'd be able to tell the difference... your right. i'll switch to playing an easier race.
Doesn't matter, if you can't spend resources you'll keep on losing. Because you're horrible.
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I'm pretty sure you're destined to stay in gold indefinitely if you stick with your current mindset. You don't seem to be getting the point everyone is shoving down your throat.
Your macro is bad, you need to spend your resources and larvae instead of just letting them sit there. Not some fancy strategy. This is why you are in gold. Half decent macro will get you to diamond.
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