EPTTvZ All-in Marines - Page 2
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Beren
United States514 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
This isn't a physical sport. You don't have to run faster and jump higher. You just have to do the right things. The right thing is to not have 2k+ minerals and gas. you could went pretty much anything but mass ling and won if you macro'd. | ||
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moosh
United States118 Posts
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moosh
United States118 Posts
On August 21 2010 15:24 mprs wrote: i don't know what you mean regarding "twice as hard". This isn't a physical sport. You don't have to run faster and jump higher. You just have to do the right things. The right thing is to not have 2k+ minerals and gas. you could went pretty much anything but mass ling and won if you macro'd. Did you watch the replay or did you just look at the screen shot that guy took? I macro'd way harder than T. Three base, one gold, always pumping units. I get supply blocked sometimes. I could spend FASTER. But that income comes in so fast and those larva get used so quickly... you'd be surprised. For a zerg player... that money is never enough. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Two or three good fungal growths are exactly what you needed. | ||
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moosh
United States118 Posts
On August 21 2010 15:28 nayumi wrote: Infestors are your answer. Two or three good fungal growths are exactly what you needed. Ok, i'll try that next time. | ||
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moosh
United States118 Posts
http://rapidshare.com/files/414196793/Worst_Game_Ever.SC2Replay | ||
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The.Doctor
Canada333 Posts
This and /thread right there. That's just ridiculous and why there was even need for any debate after was pretty pointless. Get your macro down first, then worry about everything else. | ||
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DreXxiN
United States494 Posts
On August 21 2010 15:25 moosh wrote: I can't believe some of you are suggesting Ultras and Broodlords... I have to tech to my very top tier units to beat marines? That was my mistake? I'm so sick of reading this. The only thing that matters in a game is winning condition; what wins you the game. Who cares how it's done or how rediculous you PERCEIVE it is to do. "Man I have to make these big cool monsters to beat those stupid small basic humans! BS MAN!" Who cares, if you win. If all units were just animated as little dots, I think the psychological effect would be enough that people would stop complaining over weird things like which tier should beat which tier. This isn't warcraft where "wtf he's level 20, I'm 80 he can't beat me haha." All units at all tiers are effective. Of course Zerglings could use an attack speed buff or something, but still  .Also lol'd hard at the QQ in the first 5 seconds of the game. Sorry, OP, but get better. =/. Baneling mine fields would have wrecked that as well as muta harass or halfway decent infestor play | ||
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Melt
Switzerland281 Posts
Banelings are so freakin awesome against marines and if you don't win, build more Banelings. If he managed to beat you, than (i'm sorry to say that) you were extremely less skilled than him. | ||
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moosh
United States118 Posts
Even overlord drop... is so risky. If he catched them coming in. 1a towards the overlords. Then its GG for me. You guys can close the thread though. The best advice I got was from Nevermoore. If i'm really as bad at Macro as everyone who WATCHED the video says... then I guess i'll play as Terran. I wont have to pay attention to as many bases this way and wont also have to worry about as much micro other than tank positions. Thanks to some of you. | ||
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moosh
United States118 Posts
On August 21 2010 16:06 Melt wrote: Finding a counter against Marines only shouldn't really be that hard. Banelings are so freakin awesome against marines and if you don't win, build more Banelings. If he managed to beat you, than (i'm sorry to say that) you were extremely less skilled than him. Watch the video. Banelings is pretty much all I went early on. And here's what happens... in the early game? You destroy the M ball, but you don't quite have as much money to go in and finish them off. But the second time around? The M ball is so big that they melt the zerglings and banelings before they get close enough to do damage. Look, the other day if you had said "omg I just lost only to marines". I would have laughed and said, "what? just go banelings!" But after the game today? I'm joining the ZvT imba movement. | ||
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
And no I didn't watch replay, since it can't be dloaded from either one of the links. Upload it elsewhere, there'll be much more than 10 or 20 ppl downloading reps from this kind of threads. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
once you get centrifugal hooks with speedling and/or infestor you have no excuse other than your a bad player seriously loosing to "1a marines" when you have thats shit just means your terrible | ||
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Sevenofnines
United States167 Posts
1. Yes you had more bases, but macro is more than just the number of bases, but also includes how well you are able to spend those resources. There's no use in having a ton of bases if you can't spend your money fast enough, which leads to... 2. A huge excess of larva. What's the point in injecting extra larva if you aren't going to use them. All you are doing is losing out on your naturally occuring larva. If you are short on resources, spend the energy on creep tumors instead. If you have a ton of money, USE UP YOUR LARVA. 3. Your creep spreading was extremely poor. NONE of your 4 bases were connected to each other. Given the length of the game that is inexcusable. Even on that map, you should have at least connected to your natural and probably your 3rd at the gold. 4. Getting supply blocked. You certainly had enough resources to make a ton of Overlords. All you did was limit the size of your army to roughly the same food count as his, and eventually lower than his. And you stayed at that food capacity (~80-90) for pretty much the whole game. I should add that since half of your food was Drones, your actual fighting units was substantially lower than his in nearly EVERY major encounter. So no, its not a surprise you got owned even by "just marines". For example: A. Battle at his natural ~18:45. Food count is his 68 vs your 78. However you have 39 Drones to his 28 SCV's. So its actually your 39 food army vs his 40, which is dead even. However he had a Bunker, and for some reason you sent all your Banelings to take out his Bunker instead of the mass of marines. Probably would have been better to blow up his marines ball and let the roaches kill the bunker. Poor control on your part because this was certainly a winnable fight. B. That battle at his natural ~21:46. His food count is 101 vs your 87. However he only has 29 SCV's to your 37 Drones so his actual fighting force is 72 food vs your 50. Advantage him big time. Afterwards you complain about how this was so dumb, but your fate was sealed when you decided to attack an army nearly 50% larger than yours. C. The final battle. Your 129 food vs. his 134 food; you have 34 Drones to his 19 SCV's, so its actually your 95 food army vs his 115 which is about a 20% advantage for him. Also, your control here was awful as it was a pretty obvious 1A into a larger army. Your units arrived in a line directly into his concave. Nearly all of his marines were firing on you immediately, while your units in the back were still filing up the ramp. If you had balled up first and then moved in, you probably could have won even with his numbers advantage due to your Banelings. But the poor control here cost you. 4. You had HUGE excess resources but had 0/0/0 on upgrades until near the end, while the Terran had +1 attack for most of the game. With the amount of excess you money you had, why not throw down another evo chamber and double upgrade. You probably could have gotten to level 2 upgrades across the board given the length of that game. In conclusion, you did NOT outmacro or even outplay the Terran player. You just had more bases than him which is only one part of "macro". You didn't even saturate the bases, as I don't think you ever went over 40 Drones. 40 Drones cannot even fully saturate 2 bases, let alone 3 or 4. In essence, you had wasted bases, even more so since you never managed to use the extra larva effectively. He did a better job of spending his money while you let huge reserves build up. He did a better job with upgrades for the majority of the game as you were 0/0/0 for most of the game. He did a better job picking his fights as you constantly attacked into larger armies for the entire game. He did a better job controlling his units and making sure his marines could get a decent concave while you were letting things line up like a firing squad. He did a better job with supply, as you were constantly supply blocked despite the capacity to easily produce to 200 supply worth of overlords. Your creep expansion was non-existant. In other words, your play was worse than his in everything other than making new bases. Bases which you could not take advantage of due to supply block, resource glutting, and no creep. Bottomline: The right person won that game. | ||
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yesplz
United States295 Posts
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
+2 Jesus your terribad. Why would u not even consider blings? infestors? This is the sterotypical "qq ZvT is imba" thread. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2940 Posts
On August 21 2010 15:21 moosh wrote: By the way, the guy messaged me afterwards and exclaimed he probably didn't deserve that win. I definitely see where I made mistakes but... so I have to play as good as Check to beat a guy who 1a's marines? That's pretty discouraging. No. You just have to spend your money and scout a little... | ||
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laLAlA[uC]
Canada963 Posts
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