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On August 14 2010 06:23 Chimon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:20 toadstool wrote:
Oh and the comparison to professional sports casting is ludicrous. If E-sports got sponsored with millions of dollars and was seen on national TV, you're going to see a lot more mature casters lol. But we (the gaming/SC community) are trying to bring SC/SC2/E-Sports up to a professional level (at least in the West), are we not?
The sponsors are not going to drop E-sports because we say rape a lot, or we're a bunch of immature little kids. They'll start putting money into E-sports when they can make money out of E-sports.
They're marketing a gaming culture who say rape and gg to a whole market of gaming people who say rape and gg.
I am sure the Korean gaming culture have the same immature idiosyncrasies as our gaming culture, but their E-sports is quite successful?
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On August 14 2010 06:23 ThE.SparkZ wrote:
I sure hope, and I mean this sincerely, that this at least helps some people change and grow out of their childish use of the english language.
Rape is not a word that would be appropriate for a dinner conversation or at a business meeting. I sure hope one day gamers can hold themselves to a higher standard of conversation but I doubt it after reading through 18 pages of idiots.
That's the point though. We don't want to feel like we're in a business meeting or a formal dinner all the time. Many of us do and have the ability to use English properly when the situation calls for it. Right after owning/raping some noob with cannon rushes is not one of those times.
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On August 14 2010 06:26 toadstool wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:17 neohero9 wrote:On August 14 2010 06:15 Roe wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 neohero9 wrote:
That is an example of hyperbole. The hellions are not actually raping zerglings in the ass. They are simply killing zerglings in a game.
Then why not simply say that...? people love sensationalism and emotionalism. hyperbole is the means to that end. you'll notice this happens in a fair amount of the time in day to day living if you keep an eye out for it. And thus the sloppiness of our language is not only continued, but embraced and celebrated. It's amazing how much smoother communication becomes when one is deliberate about the words they choose to use. It's not sloppiness of language, it's part of our culture. Hyperbole and quick words has been part of digital media and society for the past century or so?
Damn you, I squirted milk on my keyboard.
History and cultural norm have little to do with the descriptors that can otherwise be attached to a concept.
Homophobia was a cultural norm for a long time, it was and still is bigotry.
Slavery was a cultural norm, it was still oppressive, and in many cases, racism.
Sloppiness can be part of a culture; it will still be sloppiness.
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On August 14 2010 06:30 DaCruise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:29 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 06:20 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:14 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:12 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:11 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:06 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 choboPEon wrote:
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I'll give you credit for at least honest about your use of the words. Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word rape just because you want to. Sorry. Read this: rape (v.) Look up rape at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "seize prey, take by force," from Anglo-Fr. raper "to seize, abduct," a legal term, probably from L. rapere "seize, carry off by force, abduct" (see rapid). Latin rapere was used for "sexual violation," but only very rarely; the usual Latin word being stuprum, lit. "disgrace." Sense of "sexual violation or ravishing of a woman" first recorded in English as a noun, late 15c. (the noun sense of "taking anything -- including a woman -- away by force" is from c.1400). The verb in this sense is from 1570s. Related: Raped; raping. Uncertain connection to Low Ger. and Du. rapen in the same sense. Rapist is from 1883. So as you can see, rape means to take something by force. [edit] Not always sexual, is my point. Yes, I'm agreeing with you... I meant to continue your conversation, I just thought it would fit in when we were talking about history fo words. Ah, OK, that makes sense! On August 14 2010 06:12 fly.stat wrote:On August 14 2010 06:11 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:06 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:53 ShinyGerbil wrote:
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Potentially. Regardless of how regularly I use the word, I try not to make people feel bad, but I also try not to go out of my way to hold things back. Balance. I'll give you credit for at least honest about your use of the words. Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word rape just because you want to. Sorry. Read this: rape (v.) Look up rape at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "seize prey, take by force," from Anglo-Fr. raper "to seize, abduct," a legal term, probably from L. rapere "seize, carry off by force, abduct" (see rapid). Latin rapere was used for "sexual violation," but only very rarely; the usual Latin word being stuprum, lit. "disgrace." Sense of "sexual violation or ravishing of a woman" first recorded in English as a noun, late 15c. (the noun sense of "taking anything -- including a woman -- away by force" is from c.1400). The verb in this sense is from 1570s. Related: Raped; raping. Uncertain connection to Low Ger. and Du. rapen in the same sense. Rapist is from 1883. So as you can see, rape means to take something by force. Read this: "I was raped." So as you can see, that person's body was taken by force. So like... captured? Or kidnapped? I'm still missing the part about sexual intercourse. Name one person in our lifetimes who has said "I was raped" and meant I was kidnapped or captured and meant 0 about sexual abuse. Cmon :[ Gamers?
... when you say I was raped in game you mean you were kidnapped?
Let's not be silly. My point is that it is OBVIOUS what is meant.
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Wow, great thought. I never thought how that one word could affect so many that have been through such a horrific incident. But at first I thought u were gonna talk about rape in games haha.
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On August 14 2010 06:20 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 14 2010 06:17 FireBlast! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:09 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 14 2010 06:06 FireBlast! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:04 FabledIntegral wrote:On August 14 2010 06:03 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 06:01 Fontong wrote:On August 14 2010 05:36 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:32 Fontong wrote:
The amount I'm offended by the word 'rape' is zero. If this was about the words 'gay' or 'faggot', or any other derogatory term referring to homosexuality, I would be much more open.
Rape victims are not being oppressed by society like homosexuals are, so let's deal with the bigger issues first, eh? I'm not about to play 'who is worse off' but to say that homosexuals have a monopoly on negative treatment by society is ludicrous. Good thing I didn't say that You did say that you can';t be bothered with rape victims because homosexuals have a much worse situation. Which is ridiculous. Not so much that he can't be bothered, but rather "there are bigger issues that need to be addressed first." wait. what. 1) what other bigger issues 2) who has the say on the prioritisation of these issues 3) what kind of bubble do you live in where rape is not a ubiquitous issue that needs perennial addressing? I'm fairly sure he said that homosexual slurs being used was far more offensive than words that could offend rape victims. He didn't say rape wasn't an issue but rather that there is a huge amount of homophobic language casually used that makes this single issue of the word rape look rather minor. So would you say kwark that the use of homophobic language is an issue that needs to be addressed? And if so you're saying it would require a certain amount of prominent, mainstream use of a word for it to become a sufficient enough political issue? No, I was merely clarifying his point. My personal view is that if I wish to call someone a faggot (I very much dislike that term) then as long as I'm not doing so because he's gay or because of negative values I associate with homosexuality then I should feel free to do so. It's an insult, just like bitch. It's only a hate word when it's used as a hate word. This is another topic though.
Do you not see the merit in the reduction in the use of these hate-words altogether regardless of the context to reduce the cases whereby it is used as a hate-word? Or let me put it this way; to an extent the hate exists BECAUSE the word exists preceding it in the discursive landscape?
Chappelle's Show for example underwent a transformation from subversive satire into the realms of post-racism given its white middle-class audience. In a similar sense if you look at those in the gaming community that use the word 'rape' in its depoliticised context, the word is politicised, and sexualised once more because of where it exists, a hetero-normative community, no matter how it is used.
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On August 14 2010 06:29 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:20 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:14 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:12 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:11 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:06 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:53 ShinyGerbil wrote:
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Potentially. Regardless of how regularly I use the word, I try not to make people feel bad, but I also try not to go out of my way to hold things back. Balance. I'll give you credit for at least honest about your use of the words. Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word rape just because you want to. Sorry. Read this: rape (v.) Look up rape at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "seize prey, take by force," from Anglo-Fr. raper "to seize, abduct," a legal term, probably from L. rapere "seize, carry off by force, abduct" (see rapid). Latin rapere was used for "sexual violation," but only very rarely; the usual Latin word being stuprum, lit. "disgrace." Sense of "sexual violation or ravishing of a woman" first recorded in English as a noun, late 15c. (the noun sense of "taking anything -- including a woman -- away by force" is from c.1400). The verb in this sense is from 1570s. Related: Raped; raping. Uncertain connection to Low Ger. and Du. rapen in the same sense. Rapist is from 1883. So as you can see, rape means to take something by force. [edit] Not always sexual, is my point. Yes, I'm agreeing with you... I meant to continue your conversation, I just thought it would fit in when we were talking about history fo words. Ah, OK, that makes sense! On August 14 2010 06:12 fly.stat wrote:On August 14 2010 06:11 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:06 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:53 ShinyGerbil wrote:On August 14 2010 05:46 choboPEon wrote:
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This is a surprisingly calm and articulate way to imply that, when your black friends aren't around, you use the word nigger regularly. Did I misinterpret that? Potentially. Regardless of how regularly I use the word, I try not to make people feel bad, but I also try not to go out of my way to hold things back. Balance. I'll give you credit for at least honest about your use of the words. Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word rape just because you want to. Sorry. Read this: rape (v.) Look up rape at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "seize prey, take by force," from Anglo-Fr. raper "to seize, abduct," a legal term, probably from L. rapere "seize, carry off by force, abduct" (see rapid). Latin rapere was used for "sexual violation," but only very rarely; the usual Latin word being stuprum, lit. "disgrace." Sense of "sexual violation or ravishing of a woman" first recorded in English as a noun, late 15c. (the noun sense of "taking anything -- including a woman -- away by force" is from c.1400). The verb in this sense is from 1570s. Related: Raped; raping. Uncertain connection to Low Ger. and Du. rapen in the same sense. Rapist is from 1883. So as you can see, rape means to take something by force. Read this: "I was raped." So as you can see, that person's body was taken by force. So like... captured? Or kidnapped? I'm still missing the part about sexual intercourse. Name one person in our lifetimes who has said "I was raped" and meant I was kidnapped or captured and meant 0 about sexual abuse. Cmon :[
I'm not talking about our lifetimes, the point that was made is that rape has always meant to rape in a sexual way. It wasn't. I think that has been said multiple times. You could easily find the word rape used in another way in a book written this year probably.
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On August 14 2010 06:31 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:30 DaCruise wrote:On August 14 2010 06:29 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 06:20 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:14 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:12 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:11 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:06 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:
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Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters.
You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word rape just because you want to. Sorry. Read this: rape (v.) Look up rape at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "seize prey, take by force," from Anglo-Fr. raper "to seize, abduct," a legal term, probably from L. rapere "seize, carry off by force, abduct" (see rapid). Latin rapere was used for "sexual violation," but only very rarely; the usual Latin word being stuprum, lit. "disgrace." Sense of "sexual violation or ravishing of a woman" first recorded in English as a noun, late 15c. (the noun sense of "taking anything -- including a woman -- away by force" is from c.1400). The verb in this sense is from 1570s. Related: Raped; raping. Uncertain connection to Low Ger. and Du. rapen in the same sense. Rapist is from 1883. So as you can see, rape means to take something by force. [edit] Not always sexual, is my point. Yes, I'm agreeing with you... I meant to continue your conversation, I just thought it would fit in when we were talking about history fo words. Ah, OK, that makes sense! On August 14 2010 06:12 fly.stat wrote:On August 14 2010 06:11 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:06 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 choboPEon wrote:
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I'll give you credit for at least honest about your use of the words. Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word rape just because you want to. Sorry. Read this: rape (v.) Look up rape at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "seize prey, take by force," from Anglo-Fr. raper "to seize, abduct," a legal term, probably from L. rapere "seize, carry off by force, abduct" (see rapid). Latin rapere was used for "sexual violation," but only very rarely; the usual Latin word being stuprum, lit. "disgrace." Sense of "sexual violation or ravishing of a woman" first recorded in English as a noun, late 15c. (the noun sense of "taking anything -- including a woman -- away by force" is from c.1400). The verb in this sense is from 1570s. Related: Raped; raping. Uncertain connection to Low Ger. and Du. rapen in the same sense. Rapist is from 1883. So as you can see, rape means to take something by force. Read this: "I was raped." So as you can see, that person's body was taken by force. So like... captured? Or kidnapped? I'm still missing the part about sexual intercourse. Name one person in our lifetimes who has said "I was raped" and meant I was kidnapped or captured and meant 0 about sexual abuse. Cmon :[ Gamers? ... when you say I was raped in game you mean you were kidnapped?
You're a bit on the thick side. Remember: Rape meant to take something by force, being taken by force. Along with all those other things.
You could say the word has different meanings. Scary thought, right?
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On August 14 2010 06:20 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:18 toadstool wrote:
I think this is political correctness gone overboard.
It's all about context guys. If lings raped a bunch of hellions, it certainly does not imply that the zerglings did the down and dirty and force themselves on the hellions... It's part of the gaming culture, just like how the hip hop scene uses such as nigga, bling and booty and all that junk.
They did force themselves on the hellions, and violate the bodies of the hellion pilots. That they tore them open rather than merely penetrating a pre-existing orifice makes the event far worse.
Oh... well then.
I guess this just turned into a sensitive subject. My condolenses to the hellion's family.
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Thank you thank you thank you OP. I have been trying to formulate the words for this for so long. I understand that 'rape' is embedded in gaming culture, but just think how it sounds to the outside world. Gaming and gamers will continue to garner an adolescent (and horridly immature) reputation if we insist on defending the use of word like this. YOU don't think it's a big deal. I get it. It is. So stop. It's a small change with a hugely positive impact. You can't know how it affects people if it hasn't happened to you, so by saying it you are speaking out of ignorance, and then defending our own ignorance. It sounds moronic. Consider yourself lucky you don't know what it's like, and defer to the people who are asking you to stop. Being competitive is one thing, being grossly macho and sophomoric is something else.
If you disagree, ok. But think about it? Please?
Great post OP.
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On August 14 2010 06:27 EppE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:17 neohero9 wrote:On August 14 2010 06:15 Roe wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 neohero9 wrote:
That is an example of hyperbole. The hellions are not actually raping zerglings in the ass. They are simply killing zerglings in a game.
Then why not simply say that...? people love sensationalism and emotionalism. hyperbole is the means to that end. you'll notice this happens in a fair amount of the time in day to day living if you keep an eye out for it. And thus the sloppiness of our language is not only continued, but embraced and celebrated. It's amazing how much smoother communication becomes when one is deliberate about the words they choose to use. I see no negatives from removing this term from the "pro" scene of casters. I think it is a step in NOT alienating potential fans. We, as gamers, are already fighting enough stereotypes. Let's not add to the problem.
Agreed. Other than forcing us to take up slightly more time to think before we say something (Which by the way, seems to be lacking in the majority of gaming circles), I can't think of a reason why the term should be used in e-sports/gaming.
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On August 14 2010 06:31 neohero9 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:26 toadstool wrote:On August 14 2010 06:17 neohero9 wrote:On August 14 2010 06:15 Roe wrote:On August 14 2010 05:56 neohero9 wrote:
That is an example of hyperbole. The hellions are not actually raping zerglings in the ass. They are simply killing zerglings in a game.
Then why not simply say that...? people love sensationalism and emotionalism. hyperbole is the means to that end. you'll notice this happens in a fair amount of the time in day to day living if you keep an eye out for it. And thus the sloppiness of our language is not only continued, but embraced and celebrated. It's amazing how much smoother communication becomes when one is deliberate about the words they choose to use. It's not sloppiness of language, it's part of our culture. Hyperbole and quick words has been part of digital media and society for the past century or so? Damn you, I squirted milk on my keyboard. History and cultural norm have little to do with the descriptors that can otherwise be attached to a concept. Homophobia was a cultural norm for a long time, it was and still is bigotry. Slavery was a cultural norm, it was still oppressive, and in the many cases, racism.
So? Being polite has been the cultural norm for a very long time. Giving handshakes has been a cultural norm for a long time? I don't get your point.
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So, you're in the heat of the moment. Your opponents HT/colossi army is sitting in the middle of the map, and you are in the perfect position to strike. You move in, quickly and ruthlessly, only to find out that he had a hidden mothership. It recalls a whole mass of carriers, which proceed to decimate your force.
What is the first thing that comes to your mind?
A) My inaccurate assessment of his composition has inevitably led me to this inglorious demise.
B) I just got raped.
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Edit: Never mind, there's no point. :/
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On August 14 2010 06:34 AmbitiousNub wrote:
So, you're in the heat of the moment. Your opponents HT/colossi army is sitting in the middle of the map, and you are in the perfect position to strike. You move in, quickly and ruthlessly, only to find out that he had a hidden mothership. It recalls a whole mass of carriers, which proceed to decimate your force.
What is the first thing that comes to your mind?
A) My inaccurate assessment of his composition has inevitably led me to this inglorious demise.
B) I just got raped.
"I shouldn't have done that," or for the even more hastily-inclinded, "Oh ____" (Insert expletive).
Not so hard, is it?
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On August 14 2010 05:59 Phyrion wrote:
If we want to see ESports come to the West, we have to adhere to the same standards of language that is on public TV sports. I would love to see Starcraft II Tournaments shown on TV and make into the mainstream just like football or soccer or basketball.
I have never once heard a football commentator say "JESUS CHRIST did you see that pass?" Or a basketball commentator say "That was the longest fucking three pointer I have ever seen!" "GOD he is raping the other team all by himself!"
If we continue to use the words rape, faggot, Jesus Christ to commentate games, we will never move ESports to any major network ever. Having read this thread and seeing that most gamers don't care too much about others feelings and sensitivity to certain words and phrases, ESports will never make it in the West.
Basically this ^
It is not the responsibility of the gaming community to stop using words like 'rape' and 'owned', just like it is not the responsibility of the sports watching community to stop using the words described above. It is the responsibility of the broadcasters if they want to attain mass appeal, if they want to appeal to the Soccer Moms of America. You could claim it is the responsibility of the community to condemn the usage of the word, but I don't feel that the majority of the gaming community finds the words offensive in this context, and this is definitely not a community where the Soccer Moms of America have a large say, unlike broadcasted television. Sure, the rest of the world might find it offensive, but the rest of the world probably doesn't even take gaming seriously, so why should we care what they think?
OP, Perhaps you should have said something along the lines as the poster quoted here. Something along the lines as, you can personally use the word as much as you like, but refrain from using it during tournaments or broadcasts, and hold those who do responsible. So, that we as a community can display ourselves in a much more positive light to an outsider looking in. Instead you come off as trying to tell the community what words to use and not use, because of how you and your friends feel they are offensive. You portray a holier than thou complex, insisting your opinion is '100% right', and that is not a good way to get your core message across.
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On August 14 2010 06:36 SpicyCrab wrote:
Gamers mean "kidnapped or captured" when they say rape? I would certainly like to see that example.
What about when they say "Owned"?
I mean when you own another person, isn't that slavery?
I think we should get upset RIGHT NOW.
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What you people are doing is detrimental to our digital evolution. With the internet getting faster, and little memes and internet culture evolving and taking over our lives, you want to hold on to old conventions, because those old conventions do not apply to our online selves.
The English language and our general youth are changing at a much more rapid pace than ever before because of technology, it's better to deal with the change as it comes along rather than using pre-internet mannerisms to dictate where we're heading.
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On August 14 2010 06:30 toadstool wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:23 Chimon wrote:On August 14 2010 06:20 toadstool wrote:
Oh and the comparison to professional sports casting is ludicrous. If E-sports got sponsored with millions of dollars and was seen on national TV, you're going to see a lot more mature casters lol. But we (the gaming/SC community) are trying to bring SC/SC2/E-Sports up to a professional level (at least in the West), are we not? The sponsors are not going to drop E-sports because we say rape a lot, or we're a bunch of immature little kids. They'll start putting money into E-sports when they can make money out of E-sports. They're marketing a gaming culture who say rape and gg to a whole market of gaming people who say rape and gg. I am sure the Korean gaming culture have the same immature idiosyncrasies as our gaming culture, but their E-sports is quite successful?
They would if it portrays them with a negative image. They'd do it in a second.
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On August 14 2010 06:32 HeIios wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:31 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 06:30 DaCruise wrote:On August 14 2010 06:29 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 06:20 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:14 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:12 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:11 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:06 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:
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You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word rape just because you want to. Sorry. Read this: rape (v.) Look up rape at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "seize prey, take by force," from Anglo-Fr. raper "to seize, abduct," a legal term, probably from L. rapere "seize, carry off by force, abduct" (see rapid). Latin rapere was used for "sexual violation," but only very rarely; the usual Latin word being stuprum, lit. "disgrace." Sense of "sexual violation or ravishing of a woman" first recorded in English as a noun, late 15c. (the noun sense of "taking anything -- including a woman -- away by force" is from c.1400). The verb in this sense is from 1570s. Related: Raped; raping. Uncertain connection to Low Ger. and Du. rapen in the same sense. Rapist is from 1883. So as you can see, rape means to take something by force. [edit] Not always sexual, is my point. Yes, I'm agreeing with you... I meant to continue your conversation, I just thought it would fit in when we were talking about history fo words. Ah, OK, that makes sense! On August 14 2010 06:12 fly.stat wrote:On August 14 2010 06:11 HeIios wrote:On August 14 2010 06:06 keV. wrote:On August 14 2010 06:00 choboPEon wrote:On August 14 2010 05:59 DaCruise wrote:
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Words in themselves are harmless. Its the way they are told, and the situation they are told in that matters.
You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word nigger just because you want to. Sorry. You don't get to remove the meaning and history of the word rape just because you want to. Sorry. Read this: rape (v.) Look up rape at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "seize prey, take by force," from Anglo-Fr. raper "to seize, abduct," a legal term, probably from L. rapere "seize, carry off by force, abduct" (see rapid). Latin rapere was used for "sexual violation," but only very rarely; the usual Latin word being stuprum, lit. "disgrace." Sense of "sexual violation or ravishing of a woman" first recorded in English as a noun, late 15c. (the noun sense of "taking anything -- including a woman -- away by force" is from c.1400). The verb in this sense is from 1570s. Related: Raped; raping. Uncertain connection to Low Ger. and Du. rapen in the same sense. Rapist is from 1883. So as you can see, rape means to take something by force. Read this: "I was raped." So as you can see, that person's body was taken by force. So like... captured? Or kidnapped? I'm still missing the part about sexual intercourse. Name one person in our lifetimes who has said "I was raped" and meant I was kidnapped or captured and meant 0 about sexual abuse. Cmon :[ Gamers? ... when you say I was raped in game you mean you were kidnapped? You're a bit on the thick side. Remember: Rape meant to take something by force, being taken by force. Along with all those other things. You could say the word has different meanings. Scary thought, right?
A) Don't personally insult me, thanks.
B) We're going in circles but my point was: the poster was jokingly saying he didn't know what was meant by "i was raped" and said "you were kidnapped?" which is never used. then it was said that gamers use the kidnapped meaning. I found this to be a little silly. Then you got red-faced and angry and decided it was time to show me who was boss and insult me.
Anyway, I can't seem to tear myself away from this thread argh. But I will now. Have fun.
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