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On August 14 2010 06:52 toadstool wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:49 Zealotdriver wrote: If gamers stopped flippantly using the words rape, own, fag, gay, the world would be a better place. But too many gamers feel selfishly entitled to use offensive speech regardless of how it affects others. They don't realize that using abusive language can only harm your reputation with others and has no positive benefits. this. I think this post perfectly sums up the argument for why using rape, fag and gay could be seen as bad. Like all the 4chan /b/tards who use it, noone takes them seriously.
I take them deadly seriously as tragically depressing indicators of our decaying times.
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So true. It's like the world is falling apart and we, the people who use these hurtful words, are the cause of that decadence!
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On August 14 2010 06:54 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:49 Zealotdriver wrote: If gamers stopped flippantly using the words rape, own, fag, gay, the world would be a better place. But too many gamers feel selfishly entitled to use offensive speech regardless of how it affects others. They don't realize that using abusive language can only harm your reputation with others and has no positive benefits. Gaming IS selfish. I'm not playing Starcraft to make the world a better place. I'm playing to entertain myself. I do this by raping noobs left and right, and by telling them so if I so choose. Low brow and immature? Sure. Great way to blow off steam after a long day at work? Fuck yeah.
thats a good attitude
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On August 14 2010 06:30 CheeseGrater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:14 hp.Shell wrote: I agree entirely with the OP. "Rape" can be an offensive word to /people/people who know people/people who think about people/ who have been raped or severely traumatized, including torture victims, domestic violence victims, et al.
Now, though, I'd like to share an equally important word(s) that should be thrown out of the vocabulary when speaking in most contexts. Please note I do not intend to offend anyone, nor am I implying that taking the word "rape" out of the language of gamer culture isn't important.
The word is "god." I am a spiritual person, and I believe in a One Supreme Being I'll call the Creator. However, if you're talking about "god," you should not use that word. You should use something like "creator" instead. The reason for this is that the word "god" implies a certain kind of ownership by a human or otherwise lesser being than the creator. If you think about your idea of "god," that is showing disrespect to the creator. You should instead think about THE creator, and not "your god." When you talk about pagan gods or the Christian god or the Muslim god, etc, the word "god" is used as a word that means "THEIR version of THE creator."
This implication of "ownership" of the creator, while convenient to use in vernacular, might be alarming to some of you non-atheists when you first recognize this possibility. I am currently trying to take the word "god" out of my vocabulary and replace it with "creator" or "the one eternal source" or something similar.
This is also the reason why I'm shaky on the whole "gay marriage" debate. Now, I support gay marriage in the legal sense, because I believe the more equal we are written into our laws the better, but you have to look at the very definition of "marriage" to understand that "gay marriage" is a paradox. The word "marriage" is a biblical term, and we all know what orthodox conservatives think about gay marriage. It's like saying "same-sex heterosexual spiritual union." The very word "marriage," due to it originating from the bible which is allegedly against gay marriage, discriminates against gays.
There are other words that have more meaning than you may like to give them, including "enormous," which, in addition to "very big," also means "wicked" or "evil." So if you see a holy angel one day and it is very big, do not call it "enormous," for you would be attributing more to it than you actually mean.
Sorry to ramble, but if you're spiritual/religious you may find that your life improves when you stop implying ownership of the very being that created you, the universe, and everything. Once, again, I'm not trying to offend people or spark debate. My major point is that there are words like this everywhere that have lost their full meaning because they are thrown around so carelessly in modern times. I'm an atheist but I thought that Christians believed that God owned them? I don't think creator is a good word because people will think you are a creationist and probably think less of you. Marriage doesn't have to be religious. When I get married it will not be in a church, and we have this lovely thing called separation of church and state, so I think when talking about Gay marriage, you should use the secular definition of marriage and not a biblical one. The same book in the Bible also says that you can't eat shellfish, etc. It can't be taken literally. P.S. I know we shouldn't be talking about this on TL, but since he brought these things up I feel obligated to respond. I really hate to see religion get in the way of rational thought  I don't know much about Christianity, but I agree, I think Christians believe they were created by "God," therefore they are "God's creation," implying that "God" owns them, as part of his creation. The word "god" is used for many different religions / spiritual preferences, therefore by definition it is a word that describes the type of creator that particular group believes in. If I say I believe in a giant flashing bright light shapeshifting orb of infinite energy god that can travel throughout his creation (that I call the "universe") thereby manifesting itself as a part of its own creation, that is different from what Christians believe created the universe. Basically it's not a proper noun, and it implies ownership. "My" god as opposed to "yours."
I now am beginning to see that "creator" could be seen the same way. Idk what to use, but I disagree with the general use of "god" to define the creator. There needs to be a word that actually means the ONE. Meaning the ACTUAL Supreme Initiator, regardless of what you or I think it could possibly be / do / want. Idk how to make myself clearer, but hopefully you understand what I mean.
I'm not against gay marriage. I'm just saying the definition of the word was changed when the idea of "legal gay marriage" came up in debate. "Legal gay marriage" meaning "the written law that acknowledges gay equality that gives the same benefits / opportunities as heterosexual couples when pertaining to spiritual / monogamous matters." I'm not saying to take the Bible literally, or any other holy book for that matter. In fact my major belief is that there are a small number of truths in any "holy book," and the rest is a bunch of bs. Some of it is intended bs to control the masses, and other things are probably unintentional misguided / misinformed info. Definitely don't kill your family.
I'm not saying atheism is wrong either but I was turning toward atheism when I realized that I can simply believe in the creator without all the attached dogma / bs that comes with some religions such as killing in the name of Jesus or burning witches at the stake. You could call me a-religious.
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I think my own use of words are related to this thread.
I constantly call my friends and even people I have just met "bad" words. I don't mean the litterary meaning of those words and that's the point. It is what I mean as a speaker that matters, not the actual letters or the pronounciation.
Should people stop saying blowjob and substitute oral sex because someone maybe has a bad experience from an event related to the word?
This, is freedom. Restricting other people, is not.
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On August 14 2010 06:56 love1another wrote: So true. It's like the world is falling apart and we, the people who use these hurtful words, are the cause of that decadence!
That's what they said about rock n' roll back in the 70's.
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This was JUST posted in another topic around 5 minutes ago... I don't find too much harm really with how it's said... I just can't see the harm, although I must admit I'm not a rape victim.
On August 14 2010 06:50 Iggyhopper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 05:59 larjarse wrote: Open your brain folks. I'm sure this has already been said a thousand times, but reapers are baller at sniping buildings mid-late game. In and out expo rape. This. If the enemy is out of position, reapers RAAAAAAAPE.
On August 14 2010 06:53 Polar_Nada wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:50 Iggyhopper wrote:On August 14 2010 05:59 larjarse wrote: Open your brain folks. I'm sure this has already been said a thousand times, but reapers are baller at sniping buildings mid-late game. In and out expo rape. This. If the enemy is out of position, reapers RAAAAAAAPE. and worker RAAAAAAAPE
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On August 14 2010 07:04 toadstool wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 06:56 love1another wrote: So true. It's like the world is falling apart and we, the people who use these hurtful words, are the cause of that decadence! That's what they said about rock n' roll back in the 70's.
That's what they said about copulation back when we are all asexual protists.
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Games are about war. War has rape in it. And by rape I mean like "The Rape of Nanking" or however you spell it. Rape doesn't mean a penetration by sexual means, it can mean by combat. If you don't understand that there are mutliple meanigns for words, or that if you get offended by anything and everything I feel bad for you. I will continue to say rape in games, as I have never meant it in "I penetrated you sexually" because thats just homosexual, why would I want to rape some nerd? I mean it in I dominated you because of my skills and strategy way. I hate this politically correct idiocy where everyone is offended by everything. Its nearly impossible to be PC b/c of the new terms that keep chaning. Like retarded < special < mentally challenged and instead of disabled we have "differently abled". Its so stupid I refuse to perpetuate the name game cycle.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape
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I don't think it's that big of a deal. The people that take offense to these words know the context that we use it in, and we as a society have made it different meanings. "The girl was raped" is different from "I raped that guy with a dt rush" Saying "That was a pretty gay move by dt rushing" is different from saying "I think that guy over there is gay". It's like cock fighting. It sounds dirty yea, because society made that into a dirty word, but we know that cock fight doesn't mean the dirty version of the word. Maybe the chickens take offense.
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On August 14 2010 07:07 Ploppytheman wrote:Games are about war. War has rape in it. And by rape I mean like "The Rape of Nanking" or however you spell it. Rape doesn't mean a penetration by sexual means, it can mean by combat. If you don't understand that there are mutliple meanigns for words, or that if you get offended by anything and everything I feel bad for you. I will continue to say rape in games, as I have never meant it in "I penetrated you sexually" because thats just homosexual, why would I want to rape some nerd? I mean it in I dominated you because of my skills and strategy way. I hate this politically correct idiocy where everyone is offended by everything. Its nearly impossible to be PC b/c of the new terms that keep chaning. Like retarded < special < mentally challenged and instead of disabled we have "differently abled". Its so stupid I refuse to perpetuate the name game cycle. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape "Rape of Nanking" is probably not the best example you could have used there...
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Its not about predisposition dude wtf. Its like if i say "I raped u hard u fucking nigger!" and you just happen to be a afro american whos 12 year old daughter just got raped if you get offended thats just predisposed bias right? I didnt mean rape you know, i just meant "I destroyed your base hard u dumb player!' The word rape is disturbing on so many levels some can never understand. Think hard what it means. Think hard if you as a man would rather die or get forcefully ass fucked by two junkies or something. Use murder instead of rape then. Not to mention what that means to a woman.
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Edit: You're right, my example was too graphic. I apologize for the ninja but I think Travis was right to admonish me.
This should suffice,
The rape of Nanking is NOT a good example for your side but somehow has been brought up several times.
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I've wanted to comment on this in the past but I figured it would be a waste of time seeing as how most of the individuals who say these sorts of things are maladjusted and would react in a maladjusted way. But since there is already a thread I guess I will say my piece (and probably not read the replies, if any).
"Owned" makes you look lame enough, but "raped" is worse. I'm not offended when you say it. I just have contempt for you, that's all. Aside from it being an obnoxious word to use in that context, it has become such a symbol of online "I'm so edgy" nonsense that you instantly reveal yourself as a powerfully uninteresting person when you use it.
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dude, spicycrab, seriously?
i don't mean "seriously that really happened?"
i mean
"seriously you think it's necessary to bring that up to make some sort of point?"
in other news, this thread contains multiple facepalms on every page
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On August 14 2010 07:08 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 07:07 Ploppytheman wrote:Games are about war. War has rape in it. And by rape I mean like "The Rape of Nanking" or however you spell it. Rape doesn't mean a penetration by sexual means, it can mean by combat. If you don't understand that there are mutliple meanigns for words, or that if you get offended by anything and everything I feel bad for you. I will continue to say rape in games, as I have never meant it in "I penetrated you sexually" because thats just homosexual, why would I want to rape some nerd? I mean it in I dominated you because of my skills and strategy way. I hate this politically correct idiocy where everyone is offended by everything. Its nearly impossible to be PC b/c of the new terms that keep chaning. Like retarded < special < mentally challenged and instead of disabled we have "differently abled". Its so stupid I refuse to perpetuate the name game cycle. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape "Rape of Nanking" is probably not the best example you could have used there... Lol. This is such a terrible example. Read the damn book if you're going to quote it. It's about actual nonconsensual sex rape.
Edit: Ninja'd by Spicycrab and refudiated (I love Palin-isms) by travis. Edit2: Removed unnecessarily graphic description.
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I don't mind at all. I think as a non-native speaker it is much easier to adjust to how words are meant, instead of stopping to think about their original meaning. To me the word rape in the setting used has absolutely nothing to do anymore with the original meaning. I can understand people being bothered with it though.
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On August 14 2010 07:08 sadyque wrote: Its not about predisposition dude wtf. Its like if i say "I raped u hard u fucking nigger!" and you just happen to be a afro american whos 12 year old daughter just got raped if you get offended thats just predisposed bias right? I didnt mean rape you know, i just meant "I destroyed your base hard u dumb player!' The word rape is disturbing on so many levels some can never understand. Think hard what it means. Think hard if you as a man would rather die or get forcefully ass fucked by two junkies or something. Use murder instead of rape then. Not to mention what that means to a woman. Yeah but that's exactly why people choose to use "raped" instead of "murdered," is because "raped" seems so much worse. And people will always want to use the worse, more-loaded term to describe what Flash did to ZerO a couple weeks ago. I mean c'mon, we all saw what really happened to that kid.
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Let's take Merry Christmas and Santa Clause out of our culture and Starcraft 2 as well!
because ... God forbid...
Somebody might get offended!
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rape /reɪp/ Show Spelled [reyp] Show IPA noun, verb, raped, rap·ing. –noun 1.the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse. 2.any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person. 3.statutory rape. 4.an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside. 5.Archaic . the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
I understand the idea is that some people are offended by the word, and reasonably so.
But why shouldn't gamers be allowed to use "rape" in the context that it's been growing in? Why should "rape" come to mean forceful sexual intercourse? Are we not allowed to use the word's other definitions? Even the ORIGINAL definition?
At first I was on the fence about this issue but I think I've come to decide that there's no reason to force a particular definition on any word. In the end it's up to the individual to decide what kind of word they want to use.
If you want to use the word, just be sure that you understand what sort of consequences there could be.
If you hear the word, just be sure that you understand the context it's being used in.
There needs to be understanding on both sides, so thanks for this thread.
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