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FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
August 14 2010 04:29 GMT
#641
Everybody who takes offense to language not directed at them are just trying to feel like they are better than those around them.


The straw that broke the camel's back. I'm going to bed.
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splcer
Profile Joined October 2009
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 04:35:38
August 14 2010 04:32 GMT
#642
im sure alot worse things can be done on the internet then using a word

if it truly affects them that much then they should see a therapist and im sure people who use that word arent gonna stop because some guy on a forum thinks he should... but its ok your just voicing your opinion
That which grows fast, whithers as rapidly. That which grows slowly, endures
Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
August 14 2010 04:34 GMT
#643
On August 14 2010 13:24 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 11:19 RinoZerg wrote:
On August 14 2010 11:13 howerpower wrote:
I'm so tired of people getting offended over everything, its childish and immature.


Yeah man, rape victims should just get over it. Sheesh. O_o

I agree with your implication; Rape Victims should stay broken for the rest of their lives.


No one in this thread hates rape victims or is suggesting they should stay broken the rest of their lives. But if merely hearing the word "rape" sends you into some sort of emotional nightmare then you are still "broken" in my book. I just wish rape victims and their sympathizers wouldn't try to use their victim status as a weapon to alter society for their benefit. We know it's not your fault you got raped. But hey, you should consider it's not our fault either.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
August 14 2010 04:39 GMT
#644
On August 14 2010 13:34 Savant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 13:24 Severedevil wrote:
On August 14 2010 11:19 RinoZerg wrote:
On August 14 2010 11:13 howerpower wrote:
I'm so tired of people getting offended over everything, its childish and immature.


Yeah man, rape victims should just get over it. Sheesh. O_o

I agree with your implication; Rape Victims should stay broken for the rest of their lives.


No one in this thread hates rape victims or is suggesting they should stay broken the rest of their lives. But if merely hearing the word "rape" sends you into some sort of emotional nightmare then you are still "broken" in my book. I just wish rape victims and their sympathizers wouldn't try to use their victim status as a weapon to alter society for their benefit. We know it's not your fault you got raped. But hey, you should consider it's not our fault either.

I agree completely.

And unlike allergic reactions, a person can control their mental state through practice/therapy/training.
My strategy is to fork people.
dogjaw
Profile Joined June 2010
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 04:42:00
August 14 2010 04:40 GMT
#645
i've noticed a lot of people making seriously, seriously questionable arguments in this thread. "language only has whatever meaning you assign to it"--i would strongly encourage you to apply this to a real world experience, for example, heading to anacostia and running around yelling "nigger" but telling everyone you think it means "friendship." the poster is trying to make a point that we as humans are individually empowered to give life and meaning to words, but that's simply not true. the development of language and word meaning is inextricable from the evolution and development of social order--ask any philosopher of language with any amount of credibility and they'll tell you the same. the idea that you can individually give meaning--new or otherwise--to words was debunked around 80 years ago by ludwig wittgenstein. i'd strongly encourage anyone interested in trying to make arguments about the "truth" behind language development to read wittgenstein's "on rules and private language."

i'm rambling but the point is this: collectively the gaming community has come to understand "rape" as something different from the idea of rape in terms of physical and sexual violence done to a person. oppression doesn't just exist in physical acts--it very clearly exists as a way of empowering the user and here, "rape" used in the gaming world still contains that same oppression, no matter what you "think" it means. you're using the word in order to distance yourself from the person you're attacking as someone "other." that is, someone who doesn't fit in with what you consider to be acceptable, whether socially or otherwise. the connotation still remains that you're using the word to suggest that you're forcefully taking advantage of someone, that you're feminizing them and that's what makes you better than them--it is impossible to abstract the original meaning out of the way that you're using it just because you're playing starcraft or halo or whatever. you're absolutely doing violence in that sense, and you're absolutely propagating what's known in academic circles as "[white] male privilege."
splcer
Profile Joined October 2009
United States166 Posts
August 14 2010 04:40 GMT
#646
On August 14 2010 13:39 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 13:34 Savant wrote:
On August 14 2010 13:24 Severedevil wrote:
On August 14 2010 11:19 RinoZerg wrote:
On August 14 2010 11:13 howerpower wrote:
I'm so tired of people getting offended over everything, its childish and immature.


Yeah man, rape victims should just get over it. Sheesh. O_o

I agree with your implication; Rape Victims should stay broken for the rest of their lives.


No one in this thread hates rape victims or is suggesting they should stay broken the rest of their lives. But if merely hearing the word "rape" sends you into some sort of emotional nightmare then you are still "broken" in my book. I just wish rape victims and their sympathizers wouldn't try to use their victim status as a weapon to alter society for their benefit. We know it's not your fault you got raped. But hey, you should consider it's not our fault either.

I agree completely.

And unlike allergic reactions, a person can control their mental state through practice/therapy/training.

agree
That which grows fast, whithers as rapidly. That which grows slowly, endures
Cellardoor
Profile Joined July 2010
United States71 Posts
August 14 2010 04:43 GMT
#647
lolz OP got raped

User was warned for this post
Starparty
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Sweden1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 04:45:25
August 14 2010 04:43 GMT
#648
i, on occasion, use owned as an expression when playing games but i have never ever used the word rape. It's probably because i have alot of swedish gaming friends and we mostly speak swedish when we play. Most expressions gets translated, and owned (ägd) is pretty common, however raped (våldtagen) would probably leave an awkward silence afterwards if someone used it.

On August 14 2010 13:43 Cellardoor wrote:
lolz OP got raped


You're out on thin ice
The artist formerly known as Starparty
Blyadischa
Profile Joined April 2010
419 Posts
August 14 2010 04:48 GMT
#649
On August 14 2010 04:06 FabledIntegral wrote:
It's connotatively completely different. I understand it can upset some people, but there are certain points where I'm going to stop worrying about things for fear of hurting certain minority of peoples. Honestly, this is just another thread preaching political correctness. While I think it has its merits, I think we've all gone overboard on trying to prevent people from having to moderate everything they say because it might be offensive.


This dude knows where it's at
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
August 14 2010 04:52 GMT
#650
Can you imagine SC2 being casted here in the West with it's current vernacular? If pro-gaming is to become big outside of Korea, it'll be one thing that needs to change.
Cellardoor
Profile Joined July 2010
United States71 Posts
August 14 2010 04:52 GMT
#651
It's connotatively completely different. I understand it can upset some people, but there are certain points where I'm going to stop worrying about things for fear of hurting certain minority of peoples. Honestly, this is just another thread preaching political correctness. While I think it has its merits, I think we've all gone overboard on trying to prevent people from having to moderate everything they say because it might be offensive.


A word is a word is a word is a word is a word is a word is a word

Is a word?
huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 04:59:45
August 14 2010 04:57 GMT
#652
On August 14 2010 13:34 Savant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 13:24 Severedevil wrote:
On August 14 2010 11:19 RinoZerg wrote:
On August 14 2010 11:13 howerpower wrote:
I'm so tired of people getting offended over everything, its childish and immature.


Yeah man, rape victims should just get over it. Sheesh. O_o

I agree with your implication; Rape Victims should stay broken for the rest of their lives.


No one in this thread hates rape victims or is suggesting they should stay broken the rest of their lives. But if merely hearing the word "rape" sends you into some sort of emotional nightmare then you are still "broken" in my book. I just wish rape victims and their sympathizers wouldn't try to use their victim status as a weapon to alter society for their benefit. We know it's not your fault you got raped. But hey, you should consider it's not our fault either.


No one is blaming you for their traumas, people just want you to not trigger them! How do you think asking people "hey, please don't say this one single word that causes me to suffer incredible trauma!" is using their status as a weapon? They just want you to not do the mental equivalent of punching them in the nose. And you will certainly set back their recovery if you keep bringing it up D:

To the people talking about them being able to control their reactions: Obviously they can't! That's why it's a medical condition >_> Do you think there is anyone out there who would choose to suffer like people with PTSD can? D: Hmm I guess my point with this part wasn't clear. They are going to try to recover, probably with the help of professionals, but I don't really see how this is relevant. If they weren't getting help, it'd be ok to fuck with them?
skating
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
August 14 2010 05:05 GMT
#653
For what it's worth, I read this and you raise valid points.

I'll try to avoid its use.
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
Vedic
Profile Joined March 2008
United States582 Posts
August 14 2010 05:06 GMT
#654
On August 14 2010 13:40 dogjaw wrote:
i've noticed a lot of people making seriously, seriously questionable arguments in this thread. "language only has whatever meaning you assign to it"--i would strongly encourage you to apply this to a real world experience, for example, heading to anacostia and running around yelling "nigger" but telling everyone you think it means "friendship."


If he truly wants to change the meaning of the word, being offended by it is your choice, and you are the one giving the word meaning. Unless someone is specifically trying to evoke a meaning, it shouldn't matter.

i'm rambling but the point is this: collectively the gaming community has come to understand "rape" as something different from the idea of rape in terms of physical and sexual violence done to a person.


Actually, the term "rape" has alternate definitions that have been around as long as the word. Gamers aren't the first to use a word this way, but it's not even an improper use of the word.

oppression doesn't just exist in physical acts--it very clearly exists as a way of empowering the user and here, "rape" used in the gaming world still contains that same oppression, no matter what you "think" it means.


It only has power if you "think" it means something to you. I can make up a word on the spot, and it's up to you to take offense based on the context. Taking offense at the function of a word, regardless of the context, is petty.

the connotation still remains that you're using the word to suggest that you're forcefully taking advantage of someone, that you're feminizing them and that's what makes you better than them--it is impossible to abstract the original meaning out of the way that you're using it just because you're playing starcraft or halo or whatever. you're absolutely doing violence in that sense, and you're absolutely propagating what's known in academic circles as "[white] male privilege."


This is just plain wrong in every way.
I tried to commit seppuku, but I accidentally committed bukkake.
CagedMind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States506 Posts
August 14 2010 05:14 GMT
#655
On August 14 2010 04:03 neohero9 wrote:
I understand where you're coming from. I have a handful of female friends who have been raped, and the word is a very sensitive word to them.

I think what drives gamers to use it is the fact that there is no more brutal monosyllabic word in the English language. The concept itself is the nullification of freedom and suppression of resistance, and it signifies a conquest over another person unmatched by any other act.

If this is to stop, there needs to be introduced a new word to use that's easy to use, just as brutal, but doesn't have the psychological scarring associated with it that "rape" does.



Where do you find a handful of friends that have been raped? Unfortunately it does happen but since when was it so common that people have a handful of friends that have been raped.
your micro has been depleted
SpiciestZerg
Profile Joined August 2010
United States154 Posts
August 14 2010 05:21 GMT
#656
Although i dont actually use the word when gaming, I'm against the OP because as many people have pointed out words' meanings are dependent on the context and the people communicating, but also because theres so many other words you have to take offense to if you want to be consistent.

Owned-owning another person is slavery
beating/kill/slaughter/massacre-violence

first ones that came to mind but im sure theres some reason you could object to every word, and then we'd only have fake words like "pwned" and i hate that word its retarded (fyi people consider this word offensive but why? being mentally handicapped is just as bad and is only a euphemism)

oh and a faggot is a bundle of sticks but if you call someone that theyll still take offense which they definitely should
(reverse example of context changing a words meaning, if you think context should not excuse use of the word rape then context shouldnt change use of the word faggot.)


hmm i hope this is coherent and comes out the right way...
The answer to all life's questions is more zerglings.
dogjaw
Profile Joined June 2010
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 05:35:20
August 14 2010 05:34 GMT
#657
On August 14 2010 14:06 Vedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 13:40 dogjaw wrote:
i've noticed a lot of people making seriously, seriously questionable arguments in this thread. "language only has whatever meaning you assign to it"--i would strongly encourage you to apply this to a real world experience, for example, heading to anacostia and running around yelling "nigger" but telling everyone you think it means "friendship."


If he truly wants to change the meaning of the word, being offended by it is your choice, and you are the one giving the word meaning. Unless someone is specifically trying to evoke a meaning, it shouldn't matter.

Show nested quote +
i'm rambling but the point is this: collectively the gaming community has come to understand "rape" as something different from the idea of rape in terms of physical and sexual violence done to a person.


Actually, the term "rape" has alternate definitions that have been around as long as the word. Gamers aren't the first to use a word this way, but it's not even an improper use of the word.

Show nested quote +
oppression doesn't just exist in physical acts--it very clearly exists as a way of empowering the user and here, "rape" used in the gaming world still contains that same oppression, no matter what you "think" it means.


It only has power if you "think" it means something to you. I can make up a word on the spot, and it's up to you to take offense based on the context. Taking offense at the function of a word, regardless of the context, is petty.

Show nested quote +
the connotation still remains that you're using the word to suggest that you're forcefully taking advantage of someone, that you're feminizing them and that's what makes you better than them--it is impossible to abstract the original meaning out of the way that you're using it just because you're playing starcraft or halo or whatever. you're absolutely doing violence in that sense, and you're absolutely propagating what's known in academic circles as "[white] male privilege."


This is just plain wrong in every way.


i'm gonna respond to each point in turn:

1. "unless someone is specifically trying to evoke a meaning, it shouldn't matter"

this kind of thinking is tough to defend. words have inherent meaning regardless of their use, and this is a point i was trying to make in my post. you can't just say a word and declare "i don't mean anything by this," because then supposedly you're saying the word in and of itself is meaningless, which is not true. if you understand a word you understand a word, and what i'm trying to say is that "i didn't mean anything by it" effectively cannot be used as an excuse, because it simply isn't a logical outcome of how we process language and understand the use and meaning of words. it's a cop out.

2. "alternative definitions"

ok? and i'm talking about a specific definition that is incredibly offensive and degrading. you don't have a legitimate point in this comment.

3. "Taking offense at the function of a word, regardless of the context, is petty."

again, i'm saying this is false. "nigger" is offensive no matter how you use it. "fuck you" is offensive no matter how you use it. even if those words have been used to the point where you've been desensitized to their offensiveness, that does not mean they are no longer offensive to others. you're trying to isolate the word from it's meaning, and language absolutely does not work that way. language is social--you cannot argue that "it's up to me to decide yerpaderp" because the word itself is more than you. it's more than what you "think" it is. it has a history of use and meaning and again, that existence is not contingent on what you as a single individual believes it to be.

4. "This is just plain wrong in every way"

not an argument. nor is it constructive. use some critical thinking and try to attack my points, otherwise i'm just chalking this one up to laziness. and if you think that argument is wrong, you're basically telling hundreds of thousands of highly educated academics who make a living on philosophizing about this kind of thing that they're wrong. go check out some philosophy of language along with some feminism/gender/sexuality studies and get back to me on this one.


*my b i don't know how you nest quotes. how do you nest quotes?
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
August 14 2010 05:39 GMT
#658
I'm embarrassed to be part of a community where this somehow generated heated debate.
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