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On August 14 2010 07:08 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 07:07 Ploppytheman wrote:Games are about war. War has rape in it. And by rape I mean like "The Rape of Nanking" or however you spell it. Rape doesn't mean a penetration by sexual means, it can mean by combat. If you don't understand that there are mutliple meanigns for words, or that if you get offended by anything and everything I feel bad for you. I will continue to say rape in games, as I have never meant it in "I penetrated you sexually" because thats just homosexual, why would I want to rape some nerd? I mean it in I dominated you because of my skills and strategy way. I hate this politically correct idiocy where everyone is offended by everything. Its nearly impossible to be PC b/c of the new terms that keep chaning. Like retarded < special < mentally challenged and instead of disabled we have "differently abled". Its so stupid I refuse to perpetuate the name game cycle. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape "Rape of Nanking" is probably not the best example you could have used there...
Yeh I know they raped people but that wasn't why the book was called Rape. This is how I learned that rape had a second meaning when I was like 10 or so.
Also I have this joke that I use a lot that I feel is relevant to this thread.
"I'm hella good at Halo, I rape all my friends. Then I beat them in Halo."
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On August 14 2010 07:13 toadstool wrote:
Let's take Merry Christmas and Santa Clause out of our culture and Starcraft 2 as well!
because ... God forbid...
Somebody might get offended!
We are not talking about somebody. We are talking about aprox 50% or something of the worlds population (women). Go ask your mother or your sister if she feels offended about you using the word rape repeatedly on the internetz. Then ask them if they have a problem with Santa Clause....
Edit: Also for everyone who quotes the dictionary for other meanings...pls cut the crap. When u say rape in Sc you mean forced sexual intercourse not pillage or some other crap.
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The English language is constantly evolving, not always for the best, but it is. A word like "rape" shouldn't be offensive when used in the terms of owning someone etc in a videogame, because thats what that word means in that setting. Multiple other examples but whatever.
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I understand what you're saying but the truth is that the word has a different meaning in this context. Think about the word gay. If something unusual happens its "gay" and by saying that I don't mean that that particular unusual thing happens to like other unusual things of the same gender. It's just an alternate meaning to the word. This is what happens in english, words develop multiple meanings, or are used in different ways without a hurtful intent.
I have a gay cousin and I love the kid but even he says things are gay. Sometimes you just have to disassociate the word from the it's other meanings.
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On August 14 2010 07:21 sadyque wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 07:13 toadstool wrote:
Let's take Merry Christmas and Santa Clause out of our culture and Starcraft 2 as well!
because ... God forbid...
Somebody might get offended! We are not talking about somebody. We are talking about aprox 50% or something of the worlds population (women). Go ask your mother or your sister if she feels offended about you using the word rape repeatedly on the internetz. Then ask them if they have a problem with Santa Clause....
So how do you think you handled that argument? Only women can get raped? I bet all the men who have been raped are offended by that statement.
Do you see what you are doing? By restricting other peoples use of words you are even offending people with your own words. There is nothing anybody can say that someone can't find offensive. Just stop trying to make people say things that YOU can tolerate.
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maybe if i know my words will hurt someone apart from my idea that this person is "too sensitive", maybe i will think twice if the cost-benefit is worth it
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On August 14 2010 07:23 PanN wrote:
The English language is constantly evolving, not always for the best, but it is. A word like "rape" shouldn't be offensive when used in the terms of owning someone etc in a videogame, because thats what that word means in that setting. Multiple other examples but whatever.
This.
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On August 14 2010 07:21 sadyque wrote:
Edit: Also for everyone who quotes the dictionary for other meanings...pls cut the crap. When u say rape in Sc you mean forced sexual intercourse not pillage or some other crap.
I am pretty much certain that if I said rape in bw I would never be referring to anything literally forcing sex upon anything else.
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Ugh.
The whole idea of "offensive language" is retarded from the get go. (I bet "retarded" is offensive too?) You can be offended by anything. Stereotyping users of profanity or offensive language as "kids", "tragically depressing indicators of our decaying times", or uneducated, ignorant, or whatever, is completely hypocritical, and just a trip through your own list of prejudices.
In fact, the irony is that users of these "offensive" words, use them flippantly, hence, their usage should hardly offend anyone. They also rarely get offended when receiving the same. Because they know they're just harmless words. What exactly is the difference between "poop" and "shit"? Tell me. Why is one bad, and one isn't? What exactly is the difference between "fuck" and "sleep with"? What's really the difference between "rape" and "dominate"? Suppose I said, "I am going to forcibly penetrate you" to my opponent. Is that better or worse? What exactly is the value function that determines the offensiveness of a given string of words?
Somewhere along the line, somebody decided that they weren't going to tolerate some arbitrarily offensive language, and then they whipped up everyone else they could, to give shit to people who didn't respect their arbitrary set of rules. It's another nonsense threat that people use to gain control over how you behave. Let's face it here, if you are offended by a random person you don't know using a word in a completely different context in reference to another person you don't know, then this is quite clearly YOUR problem, and not theirs. Even the assertion that "your language is offensive and mine is not" is a self-absorbed notion buried deep in your own narrow-mindedness.
People mock and slander the things I hold dear on a daily basis. I am exposed to reminders of traumatic events, every damn day. And yet, I wouldn't have it any different.
As Penn and Teller put it "You do not have the right to not be offended". They've also run an excellent profanity episode, which I hope everyone has seen.
Now that's not to say that you should cuss out your grandma, or say "fuck" 42 times in a job interview, or intentionally incite anger in people, because often the rewards outweigh the sacrifice. But when you so choose to apply them, they don't have to like it, they don't have to be your friend, they don't have to hire you, but they damn well can't tell you any different.
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On August 14 2010 07:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 07:21 sadyque wrote:
Edit: Also for everyone who quotes the dictionary for other meanings...pls cut the crap. When u say rape in Sc you mean forced sexual intercourse not pillage or some other crap. I am pretty much certain that if I said rape in bw I would never be referring to anything literally forcing sex upon anything else.
seriously, lol
what the hell
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On August 14 2010 07:12 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't mind at all. I think as a non-native speaker it is much easier to adjust to how words are meant, instead of stopping to think about their original meaning. To me the word rape in the setting used has absolutely nothing to do anymore with the original meaning. I can understand people being bothered with it though.
Rape didn't originally have sexual connotation.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with using such words. Do you have a problem with expressions like "fuck" and "shit" as well?
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On August 14 2010 07:27 ToxNub wrote:
Ugh.
The whole idea of "offensive language" is retarded from the get go. (I bet "retarded" is offensive too?) You can be offended by anything. Stereotyping users of profanity or offensive language as "kids", "tragically depressing indicators of our decaying times", or uneducated, ignorant, or whatever, is completely hypocritical, and just a trip through your own list of prejudices.
In fact, the irony is that users of these "offensive" words, use them flippantly, hence, their usage should hardly offend anyone. They also rarely get offended when receiving the same. Because they know they're just harmless words. What exactly is the difference between "poop" and "shit"? Tell me. Why is one bad, and one isn't? What exactly is the difference between "fuck" and "sleep with"? What's really the difference between "rape" and "dominate"? Suppose I said, "I am going to forcibly penetrate you" to my opponent. Is that better or worse? What exactly is the value function that determines the offensiveness of a given string of words?
Somewhere along the line, somebody decided that they weren't going to tolerate some arbitrarily offensive language, and then they whipped up everyone else they could, to give shit to people who didn't respect their arbitrary set of rules. It's another nonsense threat that people use to gain control over how you behave. Let's face it here, if you are offended by a random person you don't know using a word in a completely different context in reference to another person you don't know, then this is quite clearly YOUR problem, and not theirs. Even the assertion that "your language is offensive and mine is not" is a self-absorbed notion buried deep in your own narrow-mindedness.
People mock and slander the things I hold dear on a daily basis. I am exposed to reminders of traumatic events, every damn day. And yet, I wouldn't have it any different.
As Penn and Teller put it "You do not have the right to not be offended". They've also run an excellent profanity episode, which I hope everyone has seen.
Fucking agree.
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On August 14 2010 07:27 ToxNub wrote:
Ugh.
The whole idea of "offensive language" is retarded from the get go. (I bet "retarded" is offensive too?) You can be offended by anything. Stereotyping users of profanity or offensive language as "kids", "tragically depressing indicators of our decaying times", or uneducated, ignorant, or whatever, is completely hypocritical, and just a trip through your own list of prejudices.
In fact, the irony is that users of these "offensive" words, use them flippantly, hence, their usage should hardly offend anyone. They also rarely get offended when receiving the same. Because they know they're just harmless words. What exactly is the difference between "poop" and "shit"? Tell me. Why is one bad, and one isn't? What exactly is the difference between "fuck" and "sleep with"? What's really the difference between "rape" and "dominate"? Suppose I said, "I am going to forcibly penetrate you" to my opponent. Is that better or worse? What exactly is the value function that determines the offensiveness of a given string of words?
Somewhere along the line, somebody decided that they weren't going to tolerate some arbitrarily offensive language, and then they whipped up everyone else they could, to give shit to people who didn't respect their arbitrary set of rules. It's another nonsense threat that people use to gain control over how you behave. Let's face it here, if you are offended by a random person you don't know using a word in a completely different context in reference to another person you don't know, then this is quite clearly YOUR problem, and not theirs. Even the assertion that "your language is offensive and mine is not" is a self-absorbed notion buried deep in your own narrow-mindedness.
People mock and slander the things I hold dear on a daily basis. I am exposed to reminders of traumatic events, every damn day. And yet, I wouldn't have it any different.
As Penn and Teller put it "You do not have the right to not be offended". They've also run an excellent profanity episode, which I hope everyone has seen.
This ^
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OP has his heart in the right place, but he's wrong on this subject and I agree with travis.
English language is filled with different meanings for the same words used in different contexts.
I'm tried of people being so PC friendly we cant even function how we would like to function.
Should we start calling rape 'surprise sex' so as not to make them relive their moment with a memory?
Gaming culture has our own language and it should be seen in that context.
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On August 14 2010 07:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 07:21 sadyque wrote:
Edit: Also for everyone who quotes the dictionary for other meanings...pls cut the crap. When u say rape in Sc you mean forced sexual intercourse not pillage or some other crap. I am pretty much certain that if I said rape in bw I would never be referring to anything literally forcing sex upon anything else.
Then why is that song "DTs on top" a total sexual metaphor?
By On Top they mean in the sexual sense.
By tentacles up your asshole, they mean in the sexual sense.
By feeling like Jaedong, they mean they feel like a Jade Dong, in the sexual sense.
By 3-hatch mutas on the way, they mean "I have impregnated so many women that I'm like a hatchery causing all those women to spawn mutalisks from larvae" in a sexual sense.
It's all about sex-rape.
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On August 14 2010 07:25 Believer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 07:21 sadyque wrote:On August 14 2010 07:13 toadstool wrote:
Let's take Merry Christmas and Santa Clause out of our culture and Starcraft 2 as well!
because ... God forbid...
Somebody might get offended! We are not talking about somebody. We are talking about aprox 50% or something of the worlds population (women). Go ask your mother or your sister if she feels offended about you using the word rape repeatedly on the internetz. Then ask them if they have a problem with Santa Clause.... So how do you think you handled that argument? Only women can get raped? I bet all the men who have been raped are offended by that statement. Do you see what you are doing? By restricting other peoples use of words you are even offending people with your own words. There is nothing anybody can say that someone can't find offensive. Just stop trying to make people say things that YOU can tolerate.
Actually if you read a few posts above i mentioned man rape too... The point was to was the females in your family what they think about the word. I actually dont have any problems with words like gay, fag or whatever. Its just another word for homosexual. If some people are offended if called homosexuals thats another problem.
And the point im trying to make its not about offense and how this can offend some1. Its about how it can make A LOT of people remember horrible situations and emotions.
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Here's an excerpt from a book No One Owns You by Andrew Knight, which pretty much sums up how I feel about this:
"There is, in my opinion, nothing inherently wrong, vulgar, violent, or indecent about any language, including profanity. Words are just fucking words. Without doubt, they can be used (in conjunction with raised voices and aggressive body language) to intimidate and verbally abuse others. However, the mere use of these words to communicate is not, per se, violent. So what might a Libertarian say about a hypersensitive Puritan woman who is stuck in the same room with a man who honed his vocabulary in a federal penitentiary? Assume that the man has no intention of being violent but, in speaking naturally, discusses things the Puritan finds acutely objectionable and in a language that makes her want to squeal in disgust.
Let’s make no mistake: the Puritan experiences emotional trauma by the man’s words. In some metaphysical sense, the man’s nonviolent words are causing her pain, but only in conjunction with her hypersensitivity. Who is to blame and what should be done to alleviate the pain?
First, to assign blame here is to assume that someone is acting wrongly. I suggest that neither is wrong. The Puritan woman is merely reacting according to her pre-programming and emotional conditioning, and so is the man. In other words, they are both merely being themselves. Because the man is not being offensively violent to the woman, and also because he is not intending to harm her, the woman has no right to use violence against him in defense. Without an offense, there is no defense. Libertarianism respects the right of every person to be himself and to act, speak, and live freely to the extent that he does not violate the rights of others. The woman’s rights to life, liberty, and property have not been abrogated by the man’s choice of words.
To assert that neither is to blame and that no offensive attack has occurred is not to invalidate the woman’s feelings. Indeed, she does feel pain (of discomfort, at the very least) and she is not to blame for having these feelings. However, she is responsible for them. She must be held accountable for the ease with which she feels pain. A hypersensitive person cannot expect the world’s inhabitants to tiptoe around her in constant fear that she will be disturbed by the sounds of their footfall. People are people. Sometimes they’re loud. Sometimes they’re obnoxious. Sometimes they get in our way. But we share this tiny planet with several billion of them. To require every person to conform to our individual standards of comfort or morality would be chaotic as there are several billion such standards – one for each person. But to let people be themselves, to accept and understand even if we don’t agree – that is the recipe for peace and tranquility.
Therefore, in my opinion, it is the woman’s responsibility to either leave the room or to learn to accept the man for who he is. The woman’s pain – a very real and understandable pain – is nonetheless her problem, not his. To hold otherwise would be to allow the world to be controlled by the most hypersensitive people. I say: let them be sensitive. Let them take offense. Let them be perpetually annoyed, bothered, angry, and judgemental. In the meanwhile, I’ll continue to be the free, unhindered, joyful child that I am. In the meanwhile, I’ll continue to live without artificial constraints, respecting the rights of others to live freely, and with little concern as to who may find me offensive, rude, or socially inept.
To require every person to stay in his own space, to tread lightly, to speak softly, to conform to the hypersensitive person’s arbitrary standards and notions of decency is to blame every person for his very existence. Humans are creatures of nature. Neither the Victorian Era nor the Industrial Revolution changed the fact that we are all, fundamentally, children. Children are loud, cantankerous, silly, rude animals and they neither understand nor fully obey societal rules. On the other hand, to set a very high threshold for discomfort – to let the people around you be themselves without your resorting to anger, judgement, or criticism – is one of the kindest gifts you can bestow on the world. You can meaningfully contribute to humanity by accepting others as they are and decreasing your sensitivity to their differing opinions and ways of life.
The Puritan woman need not like the man, nor is she required to engage in conversation with him. But he has not offensively attacked her and, therefore, she has no defensive recourse. She has three options: a) continue to experience pain; b) leave the room; or c) learn to accept the man as he is, reduce her sensitivities, and increase her pain threshold. Of course, option a) seems unwise and option b) will doom the woman to isolation and loneliness. After all, we’ve all known lonely elderly folks stuck in retirement homes whom few will visit for fear of their judgements, hypersensitivity, and manipulation. Arguably, the woman’s best option is c): she has the power to accept the man as he is. She need not feel pain when surrounded by people who look differently, speak differently, and have different priorities than she does.
I believe that it is every person’s responsibility, both for his own happiness as well as that of the world’s populace, to shed his sensitivities and artificial dictates about how others “should” act, speak, dress, and live. The Puritan woman may feel a very real discomfort to which we can all empathize, but that is her problem to solve. To allow her to push her insecurities and discomforts on others is to allow the world to be ruled by fear, prejudice, hatred, and the psychological constraints imposed by cowards."
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Oh come on, it's just slang. Nothing to get worked up about.
It's just like using the word "gay" negatively. Homosexuals and females are a minority in the gaming community so nothing will change anyway.
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On August 14 2010 07:30 LumberJack wrote:
OP has his heart in the right place, but he's wrong on this subject and I agree with travis.
English language is filled with different meanings for the same words used in different contexts.
I'm tried of people being so PC friendly we cant even function how we would like to function.
Should we start calling rape 'surprise sex' so as not to make them relive their moment with a memory?
Gaming culture has our own language and it should be seen in that context.
I totally got surprise sexed by a high diamond today.... Nah just doesnt sound right.
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On August 14 2010 07:32 revy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 07:30 LumberJack wrote:
OP has his heart in the right place, but he's wrong on this subject and I agree with travis.
English language is filled with different meanings for the same words used in different contexts.
I'm tried of people being so PC friendly we cant even function how we would like to function.
Should we start calling rape 'surprise sex' so as not to make them relive their moment with a memory?
Gaming culture has our own language and it should be seen in that context. I totally got surprise sexed by a high diamond today.... Nah just doesnt sound right.
I totally received surprise sex from a high diamond today.... I thoroughly enjoyed making this reference.
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