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Mob
Austria152 Posts
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Vessel
United States214 Posts
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:03 vesicular wrote: Facebook gives you (some) choice to turn most of this off. The new b.net forums don't. *That's* the problem. If they let us hide our real names, I doubt most people would care, but they don't. God I can't believe I just defended Facebook. *puke* It's all a matter of choice, then. You choose to participate in an online setting, and the price you pay will be different for each medium. I personally find little reward for posting on the B.Net forums, so this effects me a grand total of zero. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:04 kajeus wrote: This is so silly. How many famous people are going to visit the Blizzard forums? And how exactly are they going to be "swamped by idiots" in a non-anonymous forum environment? Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway? People, we're not talking about a new Internet. We're talking about new Blizzard forums. Don't post there if you don't want to -- they probably don't want you posting there anyway. Stick to TL. Wait, Blizzard doesn't want Jinro posting on the battle.net forums? Are you serious? | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:03 GodIsNotHere wrote: See this is what I was wonder so what the hell are women suppose to do to avoid the "Lulz wanna chat? Whats your facebook? Canz IC Ur BoobZ??" hailstorm that many try to avoid. You clearly don't get this ENTIRE CONCEPT. a) How many guys are going to unanonymously hit on girls on the Internet? b) How much easier will it be to ban the relatively few creepy ones? c) Do the Blizzard forums have a real community? Will they have a real community after this? I think the answer to both questions is clearly no, for a variety of reasons. So nobody is going to be making a long-term home out of the place, and we don't have any chronic problems at all. | ||
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chraej.
51 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:04 kajeus wrote: This is so silly. How many famous people are going to visit the Blizzard forums? And how exactly are they going to be "swamped by idiots" in a non-anonymous forum environment? Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway? People, we're not talking about a new Internet. We're talking about new Blizzard forums. Don't post there if you don't want to -- they probably don't want you posting there anyway. Stick to TL. really? blizzard does not want their users to use their own forums? and their thinking is so limited that they do not account for the possibility of a famous individual playing/posting on their forum? or anyone who simply would prefer to remain anonymous? so blizzard is effectively trying to SHRINK their user base? | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 07 2010 05:38 kajeus wrote: Charles Manson was inspired by the Beatles!! Rock music must be stopped because it inspired KILLERS!!! ._. The point of the matter is there are plenty of sickos out there. There are several cases where someone gets killed over a video game and if you make it easier for the sickos to track someone.. you are part of the problem; not the solution. Anyone who is smart won't be using their real names on those forums to begin with. I know Blizzard's intentions are well, but this won't end trolling or bring the community more together. | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:06 vesicular wrote: Wait, Blizzard doesn't want Jinro posting on the battle.net forums? Are you serious? First, Jonathan's name is ALREADY common knowledge, man. Second, Jinro is NOT going to be swamped by idiots. Third, he will not troll or spam anonymously. I don't see a problem vis-a-vis Jinro. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 07 2010 05:55 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I could not agree more. Be proud of who you are. Search "chat channels" Chat channels were planned to be added, they mentioned them as early as last Blizzcon. The only controversy was that they would be added after release and the statement of Frank Pearce. And no, it still didn't bring a shitstorm this big. As it i now threads about this in all the communities, just not SCII are being created. It doesn't matter if you are a Diablo fan, Starcraft fan, Warcraft fan OR a WoW fan. All the communities are talking about this, and mostly how bad it is. This is without a doubt the most unpopular idea Blizzard has thought up, EVER. | ||
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genwar
Canada537 Posts
I feel sorry for whoever is working the dayshift at esrb complaints department | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:04 kajeus wrote: This is so silly. How many famous people are going to visit the Blizzard forums? And how exactly are they going to be "swamped by idiots" in a non-anonymous forum environment? Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway? People, we're not talking about a new Internet. We're talking about new Blizzard forums. Don't post there if you don't want to -- they probably don't want you posting there anyway. Stick to TL. 1) There are plenty of examples of famous people playing WoW etc. 2) ![[image loading]](/staff/LiquidJinro/stupidpeople.jpg) | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On July 07 2010 05:55 iCCup.Diamond wrote: I could not agree more. Be proud of who you are. Search "chat channels" It's not a matter of pride or people hiding who they are. We don't have to deal with this anonymity problem generally in our real lives. Each place we go is compartmentalized generally with relatively little overlap. For example, I can go out to the bar with friends and we have our conversations, our modes of speak, and a shared level of knowledge that we feel comfortable sharing. We may go to our therapist and have a different set of conversations and shared knowledge. We then go to work, to the gym, to a store, etc. The issue with the internet is that these places aren't compartmentalized. They're cross-referenceable. A name is one of the ways to draw together all the threads. The anonymity on the Internet allows us to take back some of that privacy that the Internet is inherently not designed to provide. This doesn't mean that people should misrepresent themselves wherever they choose to associate, but it does mean that I shouldn't have to use information that unnecessarily connects my different associations online. In a future Internet that behaves this way, should someone need to fear when they go post on some medical forum or legal forum for advice and guidance, and then that gets dredged up when someone posts on a discussion board or another gaming board? Just because someone knows your name, doesn't end your life. Clearly it doesn't. It doesn't guarantee that your identity gets stolen. It doesn't necessarily mean anything. But it's a lot more threatening than people give it credit for. It's just a sign of the time, perhaps. In an age where the day after someone like Joe the Plumber appears on the scene, Internet sleuths can find out if he owes back taxes, ever had any tickets, whether he's a real plumber, etc and cast serious aspersion on his character and his life, do we really want to turn a blind eye while companies like Blizzard help with this? Think about the politicians who end up having to drop out of races because of something they wrote in college. Politicians and celebrities have to go through therapy and training to deal with the increased scrutiny and decreased privacy that they typically have. Attaching our personally identifiable information to things we do online is just one step towards making that the norm for everybody. The answer to this is persistent aliases. Let me choose how I want to be called, but make me stick to it and not arbitrarily change that. That's fair. Now, I'm accountable for what I write, but I have no fear that what I say no matter how innocuous can be linked back to something else. If someone wants to write in a thread about Gay Gaming or something like that, they don't have to be worried that that gets traced back to their facebook, to their work, or wherever. There're far larger philosophical and practical considerations to this than just the exact repercussions of Blizzard posting your name next to your whine about TvZ balance. Sometimes you have to look one step farther on these things. | ||
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Petshop
Canada73 Posts
Just my 2 cents. edit: Vocab mistake | ||
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genwar
Canada537 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote: 1) There are plenty of examples of famous people playing WoW etc. 2) Except you never knew there character, now its pretty damn easy to find out. | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:07 chraej. wrote: really? blizzard does not want their users to use their own forums? and their thinking is so limited that they do not account for the possibility of a famous individual playing/posting on their forum? or anyone who simply would prefer to remain anonymous? so blizzard is effectively trying to SHRINK their user base? Huh? They want people to post if they have something worthwhile to say. If they have something worthwhile to say but want to do it anonymously, they have many other places to do it. Specialization, comparative advantage, and a good PR philosophy suggest that the moderators of those OTHER PLACES are much better equipped to keep shit under control. Your conclusion that this will "SHRINK their user base" is pretty obviously a total exaggeration. Real-name-only forums are not going to make people stop playing Starcraft 2, nor is it going to stop them from getting tech support or finding a community. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:09 Takkara wrote: It's not a matter of pride or people hiding who they are. We don't have to deal with this anonymity problem generally in our real lives. Each place we go is compartmentalized generally with relatively little overlap. For example, I can go out to the bar with friends and we have our conversations, our modes of speak, and a shared level of knowledge that we feel comfortable sharing. We may go to our therapist and have a different set of conversations and shared knowledge. We then go to work, to the gym, to a store, etc. The issue with the internet is that these places aren't compartmentalized. They're cross-referenceable. A name is one of the ways to draw together all the threads. The anonymity on the Internet allows us to take back some of that privacy that the Internet is inherently not designed to provide. This doesn't mean that people should misrepresent themselves wherever they choose to associate, but it does mean that I shouldn't have to use information that unnecessarily connects my different associations online. In a future Internet that behaves this way, should someone need to fear when they go post on some medical forum or legal forum for advice and guidance, and then that gets dredged up when someone posts on a discussion board or another gaming board? Just because someone knows your name, doesn't end your life. Clearly it doesn't. It doesn't guarantee that your identity gets stolen. It doesn't necessarily mean anything. But it's a lot more threatening than people give it credit for. It's just a sign of the time, perhaps. In an age where the day after someone like Joe the Plumber appears on the scene, Internet sleuths can find out if he owes back taxes, ever had any tickets, whether he's a real plumber, etc and cast serious aspersion on his character and his life, do we really want to turn a blind eye while companies like Blizzard help with this? Think about the politicians who end up having to drop out of races because of something they wrote in college. Politicians and celebrities have to go through therapy and training to deal with the increased scrutiny and decreased privacy that they typically have. Attaching our personally identifiable information to things we do online is just one step towards making that the norm for everybody. The answer to this is persistent aliases. Let me choose how I want to be called, but make me stick to it and not arbitrarily change that. That's fair. Now, I'm accountable for what I write, but I have no fear that what I say no matter how innocuous can be linked back to something else. If someone wants to write in a thread about Gay Gaming or something like that, they don't have to be worried that that gets traced back to their facebook, to their work, or wherever. There're far larger philosophical and practical considerations to this than just the exact repercussions of Blizzard posting your name next to your whine about TvZ balance. Sometimes you have to look one step farther on these things. Quoting this in full because it is an excellent post. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:10 genwar wrote: Except you never knew there character, now its pretty damn easy to find out. Oh look, FA changed into Jinro This whole thing is just clear proof that TL staff > Blizzard | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:09 Petshop wrote: I didn't get a chance to read everybody's reaction but personally I don't mind. I'm guessing the posts will be more constructive and less silly. I mean, it's your real name. People will have to respect each other more instead of being ethugs. Anybody else feel like this? Or am I way off? Just my 2 cents. edit: Vocab mistake Why should they respect you? How is having your real name a bad thing right? This is the flaw, blizzard is implying "dont talk crap with your real name or else." Is that how you want to run your forums? It's completely flawed. They're implying something might happen to me if people have my real name, why would they implement it to clean up the forums otherwise. | ||
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:09 Liquid`Jinro wrote: 1) There are plenty of examples of famous people playing WoW etc. 2) http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ammminal/stupidpeople.jpg My point was not that they don't play WoW. My point was that very few of them will have any desire to post on the official forums -- making them a very small percentage of the userbase, and not a huge source of concern. But I think it's safe to say that if Robin Williams were, for some reason, routinely harassed on the non-anonymous Blizzard WoW forums, he would be watched out for by moderators. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On July 07 2010 06:14 kajeus wrote: My point was not that they don't play WoW. My point was that very few of them will have any desire to post on the official forums -- making them a very small percentage of the userbase, and not a huge source of concern. But I think it's safe to say that if Robin Williams were, for some reason, routinely harassed on the non-anonymous Blizzard WoW forums, he would be watched out for by moderators. So now because of having real names on the forums we have to have private mod teams dedicated to individuals? Its a huge mess now. | ||
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