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April Fools day comes late this year.
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Someone already stated it, but I think it bears repeating.
This is a strike against anonymous communication, not against privacy. You have the right not to post (and therefore not to share your name). I personally would choose not to post in this environment (though I would in a smaller more selective forum with the same policy.)
I think people should be held accountable for what they say. The internet isn't a magical place where the things you say just disappear into the aether and don't matter. The vitriolic and asinine things people post on a regular basis on forums is a disservice to any notion of a reasonable place to have discussions. I think this move by Blizzard, though certainly not being a cure-all for the cesspool that their forums have become, would be one small step in making (some places) on the internet more sane.
That said, it's such an extreme change I doubt they will want to handle the blow-back, and I expect them to back off from it.
Someone also brought up the very reasonable point of how to deal with minors - I think Blizzard would need to have a solid solution set for this before proceeding in this direction.
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On July 07 2010 05:57 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:47 ghosthunter wrote:On July 07 2010 05:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 05:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:35 kajeus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2010 05:31 starcat wrote:
To people who do not think it is a big deal just dont get it.
Personally, i have been working at a law firm for a year or so as a lawyer. For those who are not aware, many firms and employers are accountable to the public. Auditors, lawyers, doctors, teachers, law enforcement, etc... are all publically accountable.
Anyone in these fields is already aware of the limits and restrictions about online conduct as anything you say or do will not only impact you as an individual, but the employer as well. Our facebook pages are bare, not all pictures can be posted, you need to be careful when making wall posts, etc. For me, i have no problem with this and i understand it.
Video games for these people are the only way they can interact with others anonymously. Such as I. I enjoy posting on message boards, and also did so on the beta forums. I find it helps me learn and help others, and i like the community aspect of it. And dont get me wrong, i enjoy the occasional flame or joke just like anyone else here.
The problem arises when I cannot even post anonymously anymore. As you can see, having my real name would impact what i can or cannot post since if my name is associated, my firm and profession is as well. If an auditor posts something that isnt the best thing (but very acceptable by our 'e-standards' we will very likely be punished for breach of the rules of professional conduct of the profession, and will likely result in your employer punishing you some way as well, and depending on the severity you may end up having your CA/CPA designation revoked because of it. Especially in the world we live in today where even jokes can get you in a lot of trouble.
Lots of people do not seem to understand that making everything we do relate to our real name, we lose a large part of our enjoyment, and at the end of the day will result in the opposite of what blizzard wants to achieve, thus is a bad idea. I will not be posting on the forums any more, and will post here instead.
Sure if you are a kid in high school, you really wont care about anything and will post wahtever you want, but if you have a job such as i, or any of the above jobs mentioned above, you will agree that real name association is not a good thing. Only the ignorant do not seem to understand this, and say "Oh i dont see the big deal?". Well, son, the big deal is that you are only hindering your own community, and hindering the overall game experience of the consumers.
Thanks. So, here is the big reveal: They Do Not Want People Like You Posting. A couple of posts under your real name on the official Blizzard forums will not hurt your career. I *know* this to be true. But several posts may. Hundreds or thousands will almost certainly have some effect. But you will take your anonymous posting elsewhere. Which is EXACTLY what they want. They do NOT want people like you chattin' it up on their forums: they don't want you to spam, they don't want you to participate in gigantic discussions about how OP paladins are, they don't want you to flame anyone. And so you will limit yourself to 1-5 harmless posts. Which is exactly what they want from you. See?  ... No, I don't see - they don't want articulate and intelligent posters? They don't get articulate and intelligent posters with the current system they have where people can attack anyone they want because of the protection of being anonymous. I make intelligent posts, and I will be grateful to post in their official forums when all the anonymous attacking by kids are kept at a bare minimum because they cannot hide behind aliases anymore. Or, they could moderate the forum. ... "connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before." This definitely will be the case, one way or another...... Not sure I'm a huge fan of the most likely ways this connection will manifest. I'm willing to bet there are probably hundreds of posts made per second on the Bnet WoW forums, while SC2 probably will be more tame because it has a significantly lower base. I don't believe for a second that any number of moderators would be enough to do so, in fact only having a system where your comments would have to be approved before posting would be active enough since people like to be uncivilized when there's no stigma attached to what they say. And I've had 10 page threads calling me racial slurs and giving me death threats on the WoW forums, which took a good two days to get closed, so yeah, I'm kind of over the whole anonymity thing. You can do it on another forum (... Like 4chan) that supports it. Would you support the level of crap that goes on on the Bnet forums? If the only alternative to the unadultered crap that is the Bnet forums is a complete lack of privacy, then yes.
Jonathan, sharing your name with other people on the official forums for a video game is not completely robbing you of privacy.
But if it bothers you that much, don't post there.
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On July 07 2010 05:53 RonNation wrote:
It's absurd that people find the need to hide their names.
Could I please have your full name for the record?
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I am more shocked about people not knowing the importance of keeping your identity clean than I am about Blizzard "innovative" way to combat trolling. Your personal opinions do matter. Most of your are probably to young to have a career but when you do you will learn that is a big no-no to talk about things like politics in the workplace. It is a self evident fact that people get denied from jobs for things such as their religious, political and personal affiliations (google is your friend here). If an employer dislikes his employees playing video games ( I can see why ) and does a background check on your to discover your 2k posts on the world of warcraft forums that is definately going to set you back ( and yes, for the love of god, they often do background checks! There are even paid websites to help them gather this info ). One of the great aspects about the internet is anonymity and that is slowly being taken away, while many of you are supporting it. Imagine if every community website required this like Youtube or possibly the worst 4chan lol then where would you go if you wanted to express your beliefs without any consequence? Maybe after the blizzard employees get hate mail from discontent players will they finally then listen ( im not supporting this lol). And think about it Blizzard and these other companies wont last forever. What do you think will happen to your information (thats worth money) then?
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On July 07 2010 05:56 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:54 TOloseGT wrote:On July 07 2010 05:50 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:48 TOloseGT wrote:On July 07 2010 05:46 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 TOloseGT wrote:On July 07 2010 05:40 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:29 Auronz wrote:On July 07 2010 04:32 Offhand wrote:27 years old. Married to a woman named Stephanie. Has a young daughter. Narrowed down to a few possible locations. Most likely you live in Orem Utah and attend school in West Valley. Otherwise, there's phone numbers for San Diego and Mountain View locations. The fact that you're the second helps, but that's nothing that couldn't be fixed with a phone call. And a few inferences. Politically aligned liberal. Most likely a goon. Keep in mind this is only what I've found in the past 10 minutes. A little bit of /effort or social engineering could get me a lot more. What'd you get using my information? So, what you gonna do now to him? Murder him in cold blood? Take a plane to do that? I bet nobody will. going from that principle, anybody could get annoyed at you in facebook or some other site and then murder you in cold blood because it always says where you live and your name in those social relation sites. Bnet is probably becoming a more honest place, and for the love of god, why the hell would you be ashamed of gaming? People have tracked others down online and murdered/assaulted them before. Your point is moot and its terrifying that announcing private info is so casual and ok with you. It's not people, it's individuals with an illness who tracks people down to murder them. Ordinary gamers are not psychos. .....the guy that stabbed another person was playing counterstrike. What proof do you have after making such an arbitrary claim? Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Ordinary gamers don't track their rivals down and kill them. In all aspects of life, you'll find those unstable individuals that can't handle the internet. Yes, so why the hell make it easier for someone to get to you when you can just hire more moderators? I see your point, but just because it happened a couple of times since the advent of the internet doesn't mean there will suddenly be a rise in it because of B.net's policy. More likely nothing will change, except fewer people will post. I don't see how this and Facebook is any different. Facebook is about talking to other people. Having your real name out there is the point as you want to keep in touch with people you already know. I dont go to blizzard forums to make friends, but to simply discuss something. You dont need to know me or possible have the ability to find out where I live to talk about why I think WOTLK was a worse expansion than burning crusade. It's crazy.
You can keep in touch using msn/aim or email. Facebook does a lot more than that. It lets complete strangers see your face and your posts, and with people nowadays friending everyone who asks for an invite, the normal Facebook person will probably have many strangers on their friends list, or their friend's friends list.
Facebook even shows your region if you don't have certain privacy settings checked. That's one step above what B.net is planning on doing.
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On July 07 2010 05:57 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:47 ghosthunter wrote:On July 07 2010 05:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 05:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:35 kajeus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2010 05:31 starcat wrote:
To people who do not think it is a big deal just dont get it.
Personally, i have been working at a law firm for a year or so as a lawyer. For those who are not aware, many firms and employers are accountable to the public. Auditors, lawyers, doctors, teachers, law enforcement, etc... are all publically accountable.
Anyone in these fields is already aware of the limits and restrictions about online conduct as anything you say or do will not only impact you as an individual, but the employer as well. Our facebook pages are bare, not all pictures can be posted, you need to be careful when making wall posts, etc. For me, i have no problem with this and i understand it.
Video games for these people are the only way they can interact with others anonymously. Such as I. I enjoy posting on message boards, and also did so on the beta forums. I find it helps me learn and help others, and i like the community aspect of it. And dont get me wrong, i enjoy the occasional flame or joke just like anyone else here.
The problem arises when I cannot even post anonymously anymore. As you can see, having my real name would impact what i can or cannot post since if my name is associated, my firm and profession is as well. If an auditor posts something that isnt the best thing (but very acceptable by our 'e-standards' we will very likely be punished for breach of the rules of professional conduct of the profession, and will likely result in your employer punishing you some way as well, and depending on the severity you may end up having your CA/CPA designation revoked because of it. Especially in the world we live in today where even jokes can get you in a lot of trouble.
Lots of people do not seem to understand that making everything we do relate to our real name, we lose a large part of our enjoyment, and at the end of the day will result in the opposite of what blizzard wants to achieve, thus is a bad idea. I will not be posting on the forums any more, and will post here instead.
Sure if you are a kid in high school, you really wont care about anything and will post wahtever you want, but if you have a job such as i, or any of the above jobs mentioned above, you will agree that real name association is not a good thing. Only the ignorant do not seem to understand this, and say "Oh i dont see the big deal?". Well, son, the big deal is that you are only hindering your own community, and hindering the overall game experience of the consumers.
Thanks. So, here is the big reveal: They Do Not Want People Like You Posting. A couple of posts under your real name on the official Blizzard forums will not hurt your career. I *know* this to be true. But several posts may. Hundreds or thousands will almost certainly have some effect. But you will take your anonymous posting elsewhere. Which is EXACTLY what they want. They do NOT want people like you chattin' it up on their forums: they don't want you to spam, they don't want you to participate in gigantic discussions about how OP paladins are, they don't want you to flame anyone. And so you will limit yourself to 1-5 harmless posts. Which is exactly what they want from you. See? ... No, I don't see - they don't want articulate and intelligent posters? They don't get articulate and intelligent posters with the current system they have where people can attack anyone they want because of the protection of being anonymous. I make intelligent posts, and I will be grateful to post in their official forums when all the anonymous attacking by kids are kept at a bare minimum because they cannot hide behind aliases anymore. Or, they could moderate the forum. ... "connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before." This definitely will be the case, one way or another...... Not sure I'm a huge fan of the most likely ways this connection will manifest. I'm willing to bet there are probably hundreds of posts made per second on the Bnet WoW forums, while SC2 probably will be more tame because it has a significantly lower base. I don't believe for a second that any number of moderators would be enough to do so, in fact only having a system where your comments would have to be approved before posting would be active enough since people like to be uncivilized when there's no stigma attached to what they say. And I've had 10 page threads calling me racial slurs and giving me death threats on the WoW forums, which took a good two days to get closed, so yeah, I'm kind of over the whole anonymity thing. You can do it on another forum (... Like 4chan) that supports it. Would you support the level of crap that goes on on the Bnet forums? If the only alternative to the unadultered crap that is the Bnet forums is a complete lack of privacy, then yes. This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post: - Famous people - Women - People in public or similiarly high profile employment The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble.
Dave Chappelle thinks tanks are OP!
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I don't post there, nor do I ever plan to, but this is indicative of Blizzards entire line of thought. We will tell you what you want, we know best. Fuck you Blizzard.
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On July 07 2010 05:59 axmantra wrote:
Someone already stated it, but I think it bears repeating.
This is a strike against anonymous communication, not against privacy. You have the right not to post (and therefore not to share your name). I personally would choose not to post in this environment (though I would in a smaller more selective forum with the same policy.)
I think people should be held accountable for what they say. The internet isn't a magical place where the things you say just disappear into the aether and don't matter. The vitriolic and asinine things people post on a regular basis on forums is a disservice to any notion of a reasonable place to have discussions. I think this move by Blizzard, though certainly not being a cure-all for the cesspool that their forums have become, would be one small step in making (some places) on the internet more sane.
That said, it's such an extreme change I doubt they will want to handle the blow-back, and I expect them to back off from it.
Someone also brought up the very reasonable point of how to deal with minors - I think Blizzard would need to have a solid solution set for this before proceeding in this direction.
Why should you have to be responsible for what you say if it isnt a verbal contract? Thats simply some little ideology you have. Who cares?
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On July 07 2010 06:01 Kishime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:57 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:47 ghosthunter wrote:On July 07 2010 05:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 05:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:35 kajeus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2010 05:31 starcat wrote:
To people who do not think it is a big deal just dont get it.
Personally, i have been working at a law firm for a year or so as a lawyer. For those who are not aware, many firms and employers are accountable to the public. Auditors, lawyers, doctors, teachers, law enforcement, etc... are all publically accountable.
Anyone in these fields is already aware of the limits and restrictions about online conduct as anything you say or do will not only impact you as an individual, but the employer as well. Our facebook pages are bare, not all pictures can be posted, you need to be careful when making wall posts, etc. For me, i have no problem with this and i understand it.
Video games for these people are the only way they can interact with others anonymously. Such as I. I enjoy posting on message boards, and also did so on the beta forums. I find it helps me learn and help others, and i like the community aspect of it. And dont get me wrong, i enjoy the occasional flame or joke just like anyone else here.
The problem arises when I cannot even post anonymously anymore. As you can see, having my real name would impact what i can or cannot post since if my name is associated, my firm and profession is as well. If an auditor posts something that isnt the best thing (but very acceptable by our 'e-standards' we will very likely be punished for breach of the rules of professional conduct of the profession, and will likely result in your employer punishing you some way as well, and depending on the severity you may end up having your CA/CPA designation revoked because of it. Especially in the world we live in today where even jokes can get you in a lot of trouble.
Lots of people do not seem to understand that making everything we do relate to our real name, we lose a large part of our enjoyment, and at the end of the day will result in the opposite of what blizzard wants to achieve, thus is a bad idea. I will not be posting on the forums any more, and will post here instead.
Sure if you are a kid in high school, you really wont care about anything and will post wahtever you want, but if you have a job such as i, or any of the above jobs mentioned above, you will agree that real name association is not a good thing. Only the ignorant do not seem to understand this, and say "Oh i dont see the big deal?". Well, son, the big deal is that you are only hindering your own community, and hindering the overall game experience of the consumers.
Thanks. So, here is the big reveal: They Do Not Want People Like You Posting. A couple of posts under your real name on the official Blizzard forums will not hurt your career. I *know* this to be true. But several posts may. Hundreds or thousands will almost certainly have some effect. But you will take your anonymous posting elsewhere. Which is EXACTLY what they want. They do NOT want people like you chattin' it up on their forums: they don't want you to spam, they don't want you to participate in gigantic discussions about how OP paladins are, they don't want you to flame anyone. And so you will limit yourself to 1-5 harmless posts. Which is exactly what they want from you. See? ... No, I don't see - they don't want articulate and intelligent posters? They don't get articulate and intelligent posters with the current system they have where people can attack anyone they want because of the protection of being anonymous. I make intelligent posts, and I will be grateful to post in their official forums when all the anonymous attacking by kids are kept at a bare minimum because they cannot hide behind aliases anymore. Or, they could moderate the forum. ... "connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before." This definitely will be the case, one way or another...... Not sure I'm a huge fan of the most likely ways this connection will manifest. I'm willing to bet there are probably hundreds of posts made per second on the Bnet WoW forums, while SC2 probably will be more tame because it has a significantly lower base. I don't believe for a second that any number of moderators would be enough to do so, in fact only having a system where your comments would have to be approved before posting would be active enough since people like to be uncivilized when there's no stigma attached to what they say. And I've had 10 page threads calling me racial slurs and giving me death threats on the WoW forums, which took a good two days to get closed, so yeah, I'm kind of over the whole anonymity thing. You can do it on another forum (... Like 4chan) that supports it. Would you support the level of crap that goes on on the Bnet forums? If the only alternative to the unadultered crap that is the Bnet forums is a complete lack of privacy, then yes. This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post: - Famous people - Women - People in public or similiarly high profile employment The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble. Dave Chappelle thinks tanks are OP!
Dave Chappelle disagrees with Dave Chappelle! Dave Chappelle and Tom Cruise are neutral.
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On July 07 2010 05:53 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:51 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 05:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 05:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:35 kajeus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2010 05:31 starcat wrote:
To people who do not think it is a big deal just dont get it.
Personally, i have been working at a law firm for a year or so as a lawyer. For those who are not aware, many firms and employers are accountable to the public. Auditors, lawyers, doctors, teachers, law enforcement, etc... are all publically accountable.
Anyone in these fields is already aware of the limits and restrictions about online conduct as anything you say or do will not only impact you as an individual, but the employer as well. Our facebook pages are bare, not all pictures can be posted, you need to be careful when making wall posts, etc. For me, i have no problem with this and i understand it.
Video games for these people are the only way they can interact with others anonymously. Such as I. I enjoy posting on message boards, and also did so on the beta forums. I find it helps me learn and help others, and i like the community aspect of it. And dont get me wrong, i enjoy the occasional flame or joke just like anyone else here.
The problem arises when I cannot even post anonymously anymore. As you can see, having my real name would impact what i can or cannot post since if my name is associated, my firm and profession is as well. If an auditor posts something that isnt the best thing (but very acceptable by our 'e-standards' we will very likely be punished for breach of the rules of professional conduct of the profession, and will likely result in your employer punishing you some way as well, and depending on the severity you may end up having your CA/CPA designation revoked because of it. Especially in the world we live in today where even jokes can get you in a lot of trouble.
Lots of people do not seem to understand that making everything we do relate to our real name, we lose a large part of our enjoyment, and at the end of the day will result in the opposite of what blizzard wants to achieve, thus is a bad idea. I will not be posting on the forums any more, and will post here instead.
Sure if you are a kid in high school, you really wont care about anything and will post wahtever you want, but if you have a job such as i, or any of the above jobs mentioned above, you will agree that real name association is not a good thing. Only the ignorant do not seem to understand this, and say "Oh i dont see the big deal?". Well, son, the big deal is that you are only hindering your own community, and hindering the overall game experience of the consumers.
Thanks. So, here is the big reveal: They Do Not Want People Like You Posting. A couple of posts under your real name on the official Blizzard forums will not hurt your career. I *know* this to be true. But several posts may. Hundreds or thousands will almost certainly have some effect. But you will take your anonymous posting elsewhere. Which is EXACTLY what they want. They do NOT want people like you chattin' it up on their forums: they don't want you to spam, they don't want you to participate in gigantic discussions about how OP paladins are, they don't want you to flame anyone. And so you will limit yourself to 1-5 harmless posts. Which is exactly what they want from you. See? ... No, I don't see - they don't want articulate and intelligent posters? They don't get articulate and intelligent posters with the current system they have where people can attack anyone they want because of the protection of being anonymous. I make intelligent posts, and I will be grateful to post in their official forums when all the anonymous attacking by kids are kept at a bare minimum because they cannot hide behind aliases anymore. Or, they could moderate the forum. ... "connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before." This definitely will be the case, one way or another...... Not sure I'm a huge fan of the most likely ways this connection will manifest. Why hire people to moderate a forum that gets more traffic, 24/7 than most other forums on the next when you can resolve the root issue in one fell swoop? Those people who are having issues with this change are still going to buy their games, they just won't post in the forums. So what if you don't want to post in the official forums? You have other community sites to post in, which in turn promotes the community sites more. All those flamers and trollers will come to TL.net and will have their posts moderated. In the end, everyone except the trollers/flamers win. What's bad about that? who says this will fix the problem at all? I mean surely knowing someone's real name wouldnt deter you from speaking your mind or trolling right?
It's not you knowing their real name, it's them knowing your real name that people are having the issue with. I'm very sure that people's thoughts were changed if everyone's name was public except themselves.
If you wanted to attack someone online because of a simple post they made on, say, why they don't like maruaders, I highly doubt you would make the post knowning your real name was displayed. Those who would still make the post are not the people complaining about the change.
The only thing I'm seeing from this backlash are people who are looking at the extreme end of the situation. People just don't look people up and kill them on a daily basis. I would say if you are worried about someone online knowing your name, I believe you should also be scared to get on a bus, walk down the street, or even attend a sports event because the changes of someone killing you there are the same with someone doing it online. This is all my opinion, of course.
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On July 07 2010 05:56 dcberkeley wrote:
Yeah it's ridiculous you want to remain anonymous. On the internet. Where anyone can see who you are. -_-
Everyone can see who you are when you leave the house too. You have no idea how many hours of footage there are of you buying your meals, buying your clothes, hanging out with your friends, etc. What you have to remember is that nobody cares. Realistically speaking there is nobody out there who is going to be interested in this information. Millions of people use the internet every day and you hear an insane story what, every couple of months? Or maybe once in a while some girl gets her Facebook "hacked" because her ex-boyfriend was mad at her and posted her dumb comments about Obama on 4chan?
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On July 07 2010 06:01 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:56 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:54 TOloseGT wrote:On July 07 2010 05:50 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:48 TOloseGT wrote:On July 07 2010 05:46 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 TOloseGT wrote:On July 07 2010 05:40 Serpico wrote:On July 07 2010 05:29 Auronz wrote:On July 07 2010 04:32 Offhand wrote:
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27 years old.
Married to a woman named Stephanie.
Has a young daughter.
Narrowed down to a few possible locations. Most likely you live in Orem Utah and attend school in West Valley. Otherwise, there's phone numbers for San Diego and Mountain View locations. The fact that you're the second helps, but that's nothing that couldn't be fixed with a phone call.
And a few inferences.
Politically aligned liberal.
Most likely a goon.
Keep in mind this is only what I've found in the past 10 minutes. A little bit of /effort or social engineering could get me a lot more. What'd you get using my information? So, what you gonna do now to him? Murder him in cold blood? Take a plane to do that? I bet nobody will. going from that principle, anybody could get annoyed at you in facebook or some other site and then murder you in cold blood because it always says where you live and your name in those social relation sites. Bnet is probably becoming a more honest place, and for the love of god, why the hell would you be ashamed of gaming? People have tracked others down online and murdered/assaulted them before. Your point is moot and its terrifying that announcing private info is so casual and ok with you. It's not people, it's individuals with an illness who tracks people down to murder them. Ordinary gamers are not psychos. .....the guy that stabbed another person was playing counterstrike. What proof do you have after making such an arbitrary claim? Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Ordinary gamers don't track their rivals down and kill them. In all aspects of life, you'll find those unstable individuals that can't handle the internet. Yes, so why the hell make it easier for someone to get to you when you can just hire more moderators? I see your point, but just because it happened a couple of times since the advent of the internet doesn't mean there will suddenly be a rise in it because of B.net's policy. More likely nothing will change, except fewer people will post. I don't see how this and Facebook is any different. Facebook is about talking to other people. Having your real name out there is the point as you want to keep in touch with people you already know. I dont go to blizzard forums to make friends, but to simply discuss something. You dont need to know me or possible have the ability to find out where I live to talk about why I think WOTLK was a worse expansion than burning crusade. It's crazy. You can keep in touch using msn/aim or email. Facebook does a lot more than that. It lets complete strangers see your face and your posts, and with people nowadays friending everyone who asks for an invite, the normal Facebook person will probably have many strangers on their friends list, or their friend's friends list. Facebook even shows your region if you don't have certain privacy settings checked. That's one step above what B.net is planning on doing.
I have the option to hide everything I want except my name and profile pic. I understand that completely and know since I will only allow friends I've already added to see it that it's ok. Blizzard doesnt exactly allow for much flexibility.
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Good. I say put your address on there too so I can hunt down all the retards on the internet and poop on their head.
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United States22883 Posts
Looks like Stalkers aren't just in-game anymore lololol
But yeah, this is a terrible decision. I used to be a huge Blizzard forum whore, especially in WoW, and I used to post on the official forums just to try and educate people when most top mages stayed away and only posted on EJ. I definitely won't do that again with the RealID system.
We've grown up with an understanding of the internet as a mostly anonymous place, and I'd like to keep it that way.
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If the only alternative to the unadultered crap that is the Bnet forums is a complete lack of privacy, then yes.
This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post:
- Famous people
- Women
- People in public or similiarly high profile employment
The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble.
A cd key + account ban from the forums is more than sufficient to clean it up. The problem with the old forums was:
RoC Early TFT Version: You were only banned using cookies
Later Version: You were ip banned + cd key banned, account was fine. Cd keys were easily acquirable at this point. CD key bans also reset automatically because of a glitch.
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On July 07 2010 05:57 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:47 ghosthunter wrote:On July 07 2010 05:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:42 ikkyixo wrote:On July 07 2010 05:38 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 07 2010 05:35 kajeus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2010 05:31 starcat wrote:
To people who do not think it is a big deal just dont get it.
Personally, i have been working at a law firm for a year or so as a lawyer. For those who are not aware, many firms and employers are accountable to the public. Auditors, lawyers, doctors, teachers, law enforcement, etc... are all publically accountable.
Anyone in these fields is already aware of the limits and restrictions about online conduct as anything you say or do will not only impact you as an individual, but the employer as well. Our facebook pages are bare, not all pictures can be posted, you need to be careful when making wall posts, etc. For me, i have no problem with this and i understand it.
Video games for these people are the only way they can interact with others anonymously. Such as I. I enjoy posting on message boards, and also did so on the beta forums. I find it helps me learn and help others, and i like the community aspect of it. And dont get me wrong, i enjoy the occasional flame or joke just like anyone else here.
The problem arises when I cannot even post anonymously anymore. As you can see, having my real name would impact what i can or cannot post since if my name is associated, my firm and profession is as well. If an auditor posts something that isnt the best thing (but very acceptable by our 'e-standards' we will very likely be punished for breach of the rules of professional conduct of the profession, and will likely result in your employer punishing you some way as well, and depending on the severity you may end up having your CA/CPA designation revoked because of it. Especially in the world we live in today where even jokes can get you in a lot of trouble.
Lots of people do not seem to understand that making everything we do relate to our real name, we lose a large part of our enjoyment, and at the end of the day will result in the opposite of what blizzard wants to achieve, thus is a bad idea. I will not be posting on the forums any more, and will post here instead.
Sure if you are a kid in high school, you really wont care about anything and will post wahtever you want, but if you have a job such as i, or any of the above jobs mentioned above, you will agree that real name association is not a good thing. Only the ignorant do not seem to understand this, and say "Oh i dont see the big deal?". Well, son, the big deal is that you are only hindering your own community, and hindering the overall game experience of the consumers.
Thanks. So, here is the big reveal: They Do Not Want People Like You Posting. A couple of posts under your real name on the official Blizzard forums will not hurt your career. I *know* this to be true. But several posts may. Hundreds or thousands will almost certainly have some effect. But you will take your anonymous posting elsewhere. Which is EXACTLY what they want. They do NOT want people like you chattin' it up on their forums: they don't want you to spam, they don't want you to participate in gigantic discussions about how OP paladins are, they don't want you to flame anyone. And so you will limit yourself to 1-5 harmless posts. Which is exactly what they want from you. See? ... No, I don't see - they don't want articulate and intelligent posters? They don't get articulate and intelligent posters with the current system they have where people can attack anyone they want because of the protection of being anonymous. I make intelligent posts, and I will be grateful to post in their official forums when all the anonymous attacking by kids are kept at a bare minimum because they cannot hide behind aliases anymore. Or, they could moderate the forum. ... "connect the Blizzard community in ways they haven’t been connected before." This definitely will be the case, one way or another...... Not sure I'm a huge fan of the most likely ways this connection will manifest. I'm willing to bet there are probably hundreds of posts made per second on the Bnet WoW forums, while SC2 probably will be more tame because it has a significantly lower base. I don't believe for a second that any number of moderators would be enough to do so, in fact only having a system where your comments would have to be approved before posting would be active enough since people like to be uncivilized when there's no stigma attached to what they say. And I've had 10 page threads calling me racial slurs and giving me death threats on the WoW forums, which took a good two days to get closed, so yeah, I'm kind of over the whole anonymity thing. You can do it on another forum (... Like 4chan) that supports it. Would you support the level of crap that goes on on the Bnet forums? If the only alternative to the unadultered crap that is the Bnet forums is a complete lack of privacy, then yes. This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post: - Famous people - Women - People in public or similiarly high profile employment The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble.
See this is what I was wonder so what the hell are women suppose to do to avoid the "Lulz wanna chat? Whats your facebook? Canz IC Ur BoobZ??" hailstorm that many try to avoid.
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On July 07 2010 05:57 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2010 05:55 Spawkuring wrote:
Even Facebook has more privacy than this... On the contrary, Facebook's default settings allow you to see your friend's friends. Your friends can at anytime post a picture of you and if they don't have certain privacy settings on, your face will be seen by many strangers, most of whom probably live in the same state as you. Facebook even recommends potential friends to be added. Honestly, I don't see the difference.
Facebook gives you (some) choice to turn most of this off. The new b.net forums don't. *That's* the problem. If they let us hide our real names, I doubt most people would care, but they don't.
God I can't believe I just defended Facebook. *puke*
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This system means that the following groups of people cannot reasonably post:
- Famous people
- Women
- People in public or similiarly high profile employment
The first two will simply be completely swamped by idiots, the last one will risk getting in trouble.
This is so silly. How many famous people are going to visit the Blizzard forums? And how exactly are they going to be "swamped by idiots" in a non-anonymous forum environment?
Do you really think women will have that big a problem? It's non-anonymous! Who's going to be a creeper, and who is going to post so much that it'll be significant anyway?
People, we're not talking about a new Internet. We're talking about new Blizzard forums. Don't post there if you don't want to -- they probably don't want you posting there anyway. Stick to TL.
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god it's not about getting rid of trolls and having clean forums.. they can easily do that if they allow you to have just one nickname attached to your bnet account. Trolling? Ban and you can't post anymore unless you buy another copy.
another thing - you don't see any possible harm that could be done? Seriously? Nowadays when there's shitload of organizations warning about misuse of personal data you put on internet (even european union made official statement about danger of facebook).
You don't realize avarage internet noob can make your real life HELL? I can think of so many different ways.. let's say ordering a dildo online and sending it to your job on your name, would there also be nothing wrong with it? And it's GAMING forum we are talking about. That means lot of stupid underaged nerds who don't think much about consequences of their acts.
There is a line between real and virtual life which in some cases must not be crossed..ever
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